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  • (Score: 3, Informative) by The Mighty Buzzard on Saturday October 27 2018, @09:00PM

    by The Mighty Buzzard (18) Subscriber Badge <themightybuzzard@proton.me> on Saturday October 27 2018, @09:00PM (#754524) Homepage Journal

    Not if you know your ass from a hole in the ground regarding explosives. Of course if you don't know your ass from a hole in the ground, the two are likely to be related in an unfortunate way.

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  • (Score: 1, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday October 27 2018, @10:59PM (40 children)

    by Anonymous Coward on Saturday October 27 2018, @10:59PM (#754551)

    Shooter has presence on gab. Has jmorris posted in the last few hours?

    • (Score: 2) by takyon on Saturday October 27 2018, @11:44PM (9 children)

      by takyon (881) <takyonNO@SPAMsoylentnews.org> on Saturday October 27 2018, @11:44PM (#754560) Journal

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pittsburgh_synagogue_shooting [wikipedia.org]

      The suspect was identified by local authorities as Robert Bowers, a resident of Baldwin, Pennsylvania. He was taken into police custody after the shooting and sent to a hospital. Bowers was armed with an assault rifle and three handguns.

      Bowers' Gab.com social media profile was registered in January 2018 under the handle of onedingo and the account's description was "jews are the children of satan. (john 8:44) --- --- the lord jesus christ is come in the flesh". The cover picture was a photo with the number 1488 — used by neo-Nazis and white supremacists to evoke David Lane's "Fourteen Words" slogan and the Nazi slogan Heil Hitler. Bowers had published one post that referenced the white genocide conspiracy theory. He also reposted content by other anti-Semitic, neo-Nazi, and Holocaust-denying users, and criticized President Donald Trump for being a "globalist, not a nationalist" and for supposedly being controlled by Jews.

      A month before the attack, Bowers posted photos showing the results of his target practice, and a photo of his three handguns, calling them his "glock family". In the post, he identified the .357-caliber handguns as Glock 31, Glock 32, and Glock 33.

      Bowers reportedly made anti-Semitic posts directed at the HIAS National Refugee Shabbat in the weeks before the shooting.

      Shortly before the attack, in an apparent reference to immigrants to the United States, Bowers posted on Gab that "HIAS likes to bring invaders in that kill our people. I can't sit by and watch my people get slaughtered. Screw your optics, I'm going in".

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      • (Score: -1, Flamebait) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday October 28 2018, @02:53AM (4 children)

        by Anonymous Coward on Sunday October 28 2018, @02:53AM (#754582)

        He did not have an assault rifle. (for example, the M16 or the M4) Such rifles are extremely rare outside of the special forces. Ones produced in the past 3 decades can not be owned by individuals. The closest thing you can buy is a semi-automatic that is cosmetically similar.

        It was a conservative synagogue, not a liberal one.

        Bowers claims that he did not vote for Trump.

        Trump could be controlled by his daughter. That is common for fathers. She is a Jew, which would make Trump actually controlled by a Jew.

        Bowers is quite right about HIAS. That is an organization that effectively advocates for mass suicide. Similar Jewish groups in Europe advocated in favor of immigration, and now the Jews in many European cities (Paris for example) have to hide the fact that they are Jews out of fear that they will be murdered by the Islamic immigrants.

        • (Score: 0, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday October 28 2018, @09:48AM (2 children)

          by Anonymous Coward on Sunday October 28 2018, @09:48AM (#754630)

          Apparently, you don't understand that the Jews track lineage through the matriarchal line. If a Jewish woman marries a non-Jewish man, their children are Jewish. If a Jewish man marries a non-Jewish woman, their kids aren't Jews. So, Trump's daughter is not a Jew, nor will her children be Jews. Jesus Christ was a descendant of Moses, through his mother's line. There is an unbroken line of motherhood, tracing directly back to Moses. It wouldn't matter who or what Joseph was, even if he were the father.

          • (Score: 2) by Bot on Sunday October 28 2018, @07:22PM

            by Bot (3902) on Sunday October 28 2018, @07:22PM (#754749) Journal

            > Apparently, you don't understand that the Jews track lineage through the matriarchal line.

            they smart

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          • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday October 28 2018, @10:48PM

            by Anonymous Coward on Sunday October 28 2018, @10:48PM (#754813)

            She did all the crazy miserable suffering with an orthodox rabbi. Therefore, she is a Jew and her children will be Jews.

        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday October 28 2018, @06:29PM

          by Anonymous Coward on Sunday October 28 2018, @06:29PM (#754730)

          "Did not vote for Trump"

          So a slightly less stupid psycho, ok. PS u insane in the membrane

      • (Score: 1, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday October 28 2018, @10:06AM

        by Anonymous Coward on Sunday October 28 2018, @10:06AM (#754636)

        Are you saying that Bowers is not jmorris? We are all confused. Of course our resident anti-semi-ant-ite is Ethan Knowles Fluered, also known as RunawayFromThatShit. Both in FBI custody now, no doubt. I can't believe how stupid conservatives are! Caught in a matter of hours?

      • (Score: 2) by Bot on Sunday October 28 2018, @06:42PM (1 child)

        by Bot (3902) on Sunday October 28 2018, @06:42PM (#754733) Journal

        ok war against nazis is justified by the fact they have an agenda against you.

        war against jews is bad because they don't have an agenda against you #notalljews

        so my question is: since it is provable that subscription to gab.ai and loving guns do not entail having an agenda at all, isn't this thread hypocrite?

        but ok let's play, i see your jew shooter and raise you a gang of immigrant africans that drug, gangrape, kill a 16 year old girl in Rome.

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        • (Score: 1) by khallow on Tuesday October 30 2018, @12:20PM

          by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Tuesday October 30 2018, @12:20PM (#755602) Journal

          but ok let's play, i see your jew shooter and raise you a gang of immigrant africans that drug, gangrape, kill a 16 year old girl in Rome.

          Ok... so why is murder of 11 innocent people in Pennsylvania justified because gangrape-murder in Italy? I have an alternate solution here. Punish people who commit vile acts impartially, that is irrespective of their religion, ethnicity, country of origin, etc.

          ok war against nazis is justified by the fact they have an agenda against you.

          war against jews is bad because they don't have an agenda against you #notalljews

          War is not justified merely because someone has an "agenda" against another. That is in large part because agendas, even when in deliberate conflict with another, can be both modest (way below any rational threshold for war) and imagined (such as your repeated claims that certain Muslim minorities are bent [soylentnews.org] on genocide, despite a complete lack of evidence to support that claim).

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday October 28 2018, @07:14PM

        by Anonymous Coward on Sunday October 28 2018, @07:14PM (#754744)

        For those who were wondering about what the "1488" meant:

        The "88" in "1488" refers to "Heil Hitler". "H" is the eighth letter of the alphabet, so "88" is "HH".

        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/88_(number)#In_white_nationalism [wikipedia.org]
        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fourteen_Words [wikipedia.org]

    • (Score: 0) by NPC-131072 on Saturday October 27 2018, @11:59PM (4 children)

      by NPC-131072 (7144) on Saturday October 27 2018, @11:59PM (#754561) Journal

      Also a user of well known nazi linux distro Arch [archive.is]

      Punch all nazis, punch all Arch linux users!

      • (Score: 2) by takyon on Sunday October 28 2018, @12:09AM

        by takyon (881) <takyonNO@SPAMsoylentnews.org> on Sunday October 28 2018, @12:09AM (#754566) Journal

        Oh, snap. Bug report of destiny.

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      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday October 28 2018, @12:38AM (1 child)

        by Anonymous Coward on Sunday October 28 2018, @12:38AM (#754568)

        Yeah, not a bug. fdisk has never said something if all non-reserved sectors were allocated.

        • (Score: 1, Funny) by NPC-131072 on Sunday October 28 2018, @01:06AM

          by NPC-131072 (7144) on Sunday October 28 2018, @01:06AM (#754571) Journal

          Yeah, not a bug. fdisk has never said something if all non-reserved sectors were allocated.

          What fascism is this, why does fdisk not allow uncontrolled immigration?

      • (Score: 2) by Bot on Sunday October 28 2018, @07:19PM

        by Bot (3902) on Sunday October 28 2018, @07:19PM (#754747) Journal

        >Punch all nazis, punch all Arch linux users!
        I heard they boot off systemd. Nothing good can come out of people who boot off systemd.

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    • (Score: 1, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday October 28 2018, @12:54PM (24 children)

      by Anonymous Coward on Sunday October 28 2018, @12:54PM (#754649)

      According to Ari's submission,
      https://soylentnews.org/submit.pl?op=viewsub&subid=29793¬e=&title=Alt-right+asocial+media+site+Gab+in+meltdown+after+Pittsburgh+shooting-+begs+Donald+Trump+to+%E2%80%98ACT%22 [soylentnews.org]

      If we believe our ancient Greek, not only has Gab been shutdown, the pushback (on various other sites) may be a bit hasty, given the number of typos...

      • (Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Sunday October 28 2018, @02:11PM (23 children)

        by Runaway1956 (2926) Subscriber Badge on Sunday October 28 2018, @02:11PM (#754660) Homepage Journal

        Ehhh, haven't logged in to Gab in weeks. I read your post, looked at Ari's submission, then logged in. They're still up, but they have a deadline on Monday, when the host is going to drop them.

        The site seems to be half-broken. Pages load, very slowly. Some of the content appears to be missing, starting with the home page. Ehhhhhh . . .

        Seems odd. Paypal has severed ties because the pipe bomber has a Gab account - but Paypal hasn't severed ties with Facefook when some criminal is discovered to have a Facefook account.

        Lotta rumbling on Gab. I can't be assed to continue navigating a broken site, trying to figure things out. I am disappointed in one respect. I was almost half convinced that the pipe bomber was a liberal, trying to drum up sympathy and support for the left.

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        • (Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday October 28 2018, @02:23PM (19 children)

          by Anonymous Coward on Sunday October 28 2018, @02:23PM (#754662)

          When will you wake the fuck up and realize the "right" is the group with more violence and insanity? Pffft never, keep swallowing the propaganda and lies.

          • (Score: 0, Troll) by Runaway1956 on Sunday October 28 2018, @02:36PM (18 children)

            by Runaway1956 (2926) Subscriber Badge on Sunday October 28 2018, @02:36PM (#754667) Homepage Journal

            To date, lefties around the world have murdered more people than any "alt right". Russia and China, more than twenty million each. Don't forget the Nationalist SOCIALISTS in Germany. There's a REASON most of the world tries hard to forget communism and leftism.

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            • (Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday October 28 2018, @02:42PM (8 children)

              by Anonymous Coward on Sunday October 28 2018, @02:42PM (#754670)

              Thanks for more stupid ignorant propaganda. Such a moron. "All liberals are communists" what a maroooooon.

              You cant even see your own hatred, your response to this info was "wish a liberal had done it." Laaawl, hateful prick you are.

              • (Score: 1, Flamebait) by Runaway1956 on Sunday October 28 2018, @02:54PM (7 children)

                by Runaway1956 (2926) Subscriber Badge on Sunday October 28 2018, @02:54PM (#754675) Homepage Journal

                Maybe, you're projecting? I've had to dance around the fact that there is no "liberal" party in this nation. We have a Right, and a Further Right. Liberals have forgotten their roots. Liberals have abandoned the dream. Liberals today openly defecate on Martin Luther King's grave.

                Did you notice who and what Sayoc is? He's a mongrel mix breed between Italian Mafia and a Filipino. The Dems should be standing up for him, he's a minority!

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                • (Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday October 28 2018, @03:07PM (5 children)

                  by Anonymous Coward on Sunday October 28 2018, @03:07PM (#754678)

                  Or maybe im reading your exact words and responding to them. Nice try with the trolling conservative "logic" blame game.

                  Own your own shit coward.

                  • (Score: 1, Troll) by Runaway1956 on Sunday October 28 2018, @03:30PM (4 children)

                    by Runaway1956 (2926) Subscriber Badge on Sunday October 28 2018, @03:30PM (#754681) Homepage Journal

                    Try again, some other time. White Supremacy is a failure, socialism is a failure, progressivism is a failure, globalism is a failure. You should just leave the dark side. #WalkAway

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                    • (Score: 4, Interesting) by Bobs on Sunday October 28 2018, @04:35PM (2 children)

                      by Bobs (1462) on Sunday October 28 2018, @04:35PM (#754699)

                      Good start but then you went astray.

                      "White supremacy is a failure." Yep.

                      "Socialism" - well, it seems to be working well for folks in Europe: nice health care, economy, social mobility, education. Also medicare, Social Security. Good stuff.

                      "Progressivism" See above, also led to a lot of improvements in the US around the turn of the last century - cleaned up a bunch of corruption, added things like ballot initiatives, women voting, and direct election of senators, civil rights laws. etc.

                      "Gloabalism" Not sure what that is. But NATO has been a success, UN helped with facilitating some aid, reducing conflicts. Working together better than killing each other. Need a global approach to address climate change.

                      All in all, I would rather be living now versus 50, 100, 500, 1,000 years ago.

                      • (Score: 2) by Bot on Sunday October 28 2018, @07:16PM (1 child)

                        by Bot (3902) on Sunday October 28 2018, @07:16PM (#754745) Journal

                        "Socialism" - well, it seems to be working well for folks in Europe:
                        The half of europe that got more socialism, though...

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                        • (Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday October 28 2018, @07:57PM

                          by Anonymous Coward on Sunday October 28 2018, @07:57PM (#754756)

                          Some things work with a free market approach and others don't. You have to go issue by issue and decide how to tackle it, and cannot just make a blanket condemnation of "socialism."

                    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday October 28 2018, @06:19PM

                      by Anonymous Coward on Sunday October 28 2018, @06:19PM (#754729)

                      Could i have been nicer trying to point out the problem with your posts? Sure. Do you deserve it after repeatedly ignoring people's valid points and continuing your antagonistic campaigns while pretending you are some kind of reasonable centrist.

                • (Score: 2) by Bot on Sunday October 28 2018, @07:25PM

                  by Bot (3902) on Sunday October 28 2018, @07:25PM (#754751) Journal

                  > He's a mongrel mix breed between Italian Mafia and a Filipino.
                  OMG he's gonna deal drugs and then condemn himself to death because of it.

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            • (Score: 2, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday October 28 2018, @03:36PM (2 children)

              by Anonymous Coward on Sunday October 28 2018, @03:36PM (#754683)

              If only the Nazis, Stalinists, and Maoists weren't objectively right-wing.

              • (Score: 2) by Bot on Sunday October 28 2018, @07:17PM (1 child)

                by Bot (3902) on Sunday October 28 2018, @07:17PM (#754746) Journal

                The only difference between right totalitarians and left totalitarians is the granularity of their plans, national, against local for the right, global, against national and local, for the left.

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                • (Score: 1, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday October 28 2018, @09:04PM

                  by Anonymous Coward on Sunday October 28 2018, @09:04PM (#754777)

                  Your analysis shows the three I identified as right-wing. Stalinism was not global in scope. It advocated "socialism in one country." Maoism was similarly nationalist in character. With the Nazis, we see ethnic nationalism. None of these rise to globalism, however.

                  For a globalist ideology, we can look at capitalism.

            • (Score: 3, Informative) by Azuma Hazuki on Sunday October 28 2018, @05:14PM (5 children)

              by Azuma Hazuki (5086) on Sunday October 28 2018, @05:14PM (#754713) Journal

              Just 'cause the Nazis called themselves Socialist don't make 'em Socialists, any more than calling a sheep's tail a leg makes it a five-legged ewe. And, again, you're conflating economic left with social left. There is a difference, hence why politics is is an XY Cartesian plan rather than a line.

              Then again, you're the nihilistic lunatic who would sacrifice, what was it, 20 million of the people you call conservative if it would guarantee 50 million of the "leftists" you hate so much would die, so maybe it's no surprise you don't know shit from Shinola on this or pretty much any other subject. Fuck off and die.

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              • (Score: 1, Troll) by Runaway1956 on Sunday October 28 2018, @06:52PM (4 children)

                by Runaway1956 (2926) Subscriber Badge on Sunday October 28 2018, @06:52PM (#754736) Homepage Journal

                How am I any different from you? You're willing to sacrifice 20 million conservatives. You spout your hatred endlessly here. I did attempt to explain to you what the price would be for sacrificing all those dreadful conservatives, but you still don't seem to understand.

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                • (Score: 3, Informative) by Azuma Hazuki on Sunday October 28 2018, @08:40PM (3 children)

                  by Azuma Hazuki (5086) on Sunday October 28 2018, @08:40PM (#754766) Journal

                  Excuse me? No I am fucking not. I am the one who wants to AVOID that scenario, the one where millions of people die. You pulled this out of your ass just now. And wow, if the only argument you have is "but you're no better!" (even when it's not true) you have really fallen low. Go to hell.

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                  • (Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Monday October 29 2018, @02:28AM

                    by Runaway1956 (2926) Subscriber Badge on Monday October 29 2018, @02:28AM (#754884) Homepage Journal

                    Let me paraphrase. "I don't want to see people dead. Now, go to hell." Thank you very much for the non-clarification.

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                  • (Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Monday October 29 2018, @04:29AM (1 child)

                    by Anonymous Coward on Monday October 29 2018, @04:29AM (#754910)

                    Projection, the first resort of assholes like Runaway. I used to think he was alright, and he INTENDS to be OK, but in reality he is 100% a partisan asshole. That thread a little while back where you both had the civil war argument should have been his wake up call with enough users explaining to him how it was he was the instigator, but I guess the rightwing propaganda has taken a really insidious hold on that crowd.

                    • (Score: 2) by Azuma Hazuki on Tuesday October 30 2018, @02:29AM

                      by Azuma Hazuki (5086) on Tuesday October 30 2018, @02:29AM (#755480) Journal

                      That was his swan song. That was when he terminally doubled-down on stupid and evil. I had held some small hope of redemption for him, but that was it. I now understand he's going to die like that and there is nothing I or anyone else can do to help him.

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        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday October 28 2018, @05:24PM

          by Anonymous Coward on Sunday October 28 2018, @05:24PM (#754715)

          > Ehhh, haven't logged in to Gab in weeks.

          Good move, plausible deniability! [grin]

        • (Score: 2, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday October 28 2018, @05:29PM

          by Anonymous Coward on Sunday October 28 2018, @05:29PM (#754716)

          > Seems odd. Paypal has severed ties because the pipe bomber has a Gab account - but Paypal hasn't severed ties with Facefook when some criminal is discovered to have a Facefook account.

          Makes total sense to me, PayPal is simply following the money--very little to be made on Gab--while doing some easy "social signaling". FB has users of all stripes and oodles of money to be made there.

        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday October 28 2018, @09:04PM

          by Anonymous Coward on Sunday October 28 2018, @09:04PM (#754778)

          I was almost half convinced that the pipe bomber was a liberal, trying to drum up sympathy and support for the left.

          Thing about terrorism and Faux News, you patsy Runaway: The actual intended target is YOU! And they succeeded, if only by half and only for a while.

  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday October 28 2018, @09:09PM (3 children)

    by Anonymous Coward on Sunday October 28 2018, @09:09PM (#754781)

    I guess WSWS publishes on Sunday every now and then. Eleven killed in deadliest attack on Jewish community in US history [wsws.org]. Not a terrible lot of analysis. Probably more on Monday.

    Bowers was a regular user of Gab, a social network used by white supremacists and anti-Semites. A look at his social media pages show that he espoused a more extreme version of the anti-immigrant, racist and nationalist views put forward by Trump, and regarded Trump as not a real nationalist because he had appointed Jews to his White House staff. He also claimed not to have voted for Trump—he was registered to vote without party affiliation.

    But Bowers was fully in support of Trump’s persecution of immigrants. In one social media posting, he claimed that Jews were helping transport members of the migrant caravans. He applauded the change in language in which opponents of the caravan referred to the migrants as “invaders” rather than “illegals.” After noting this new language—for which Trump is mainly responsible—he wrote, “I like this.”

    In the past month, Bowers has posted dozens of comments attacking Jews, Blacks and immigrants. Many of his posts suggested that Jews were undermining the Trump administration. He criticized Trump’s “Make American Great Again” slogan as phony, writing, “There is no #MAGA as long as there is a k--e infestation.”

    This this the second time this week that a fascist has taken action in synch with Trump’s ultra-right rhetoric. A Florida man, Cesar Sayoc, has been arrested for sending over a dozen pipe bombs through the mail to prominent Democrats and critics of the Trump administration. Unlike Bowers, Sayoc was an overt Trump supporter who attended Trump rallies and posted photographs of himself wearing a MAGA hat.

    Still have to snicker a bit that the mail bombs were the work of Florida Man.

    • (Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Monday October 29 2018, @02:30AM (2 children)

      by Runaway1956 (2926) Subscriber Badge on Monday October 29 2018, @02:30AM (#754887) Homepage Journal

      So, WSWSWSWS characterizes Gab as just another Stormfront. Interesting.

      Florida Man - I missed that. LMAO

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      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday October 29 2018, @03:29AM (1 child)

        by Anonymous Coward on Monday October 29 2018, @03:29AM (#754908)

        Yeah, I was disappointed by that personally. They've documented how Facebook has been eliminating left-wing groups and pages, so they should be able to easily see that alternatives are needed. Services like Gab (and Soylent for that matter) that emphasize free speech are the best way for the international working class to communicate and organize in the face of corporate censorship.

        • (Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Monday October 29 2018, @05:04AM

          by Runaway1956 (2926) Subscriber Badge on Monday October 29 2018, @05:04AM (#754914) Homepage Journal

          Dubya and Cheney said it years ago: "If you're not with us, you're against us." So, Gab doesn't stand with WSWS, obviously they are just like Stormfront and all the rest. Tiny, weak minds are like that.

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