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posted by CoolHand on Monday November 05 2018, @10:04PM   Printer-friendly
from the revived-competition dept.

Intel announces Cascade Lake Xeons: 48 cores and 12-channel memory per socket

Intel has announced the next family of Xeon processors that it plans to ship in the first half of next year. The new parts represent a substantial upgrade over current Xeon chips, with up to 48 cores and 12 DDR4 memory channels per socket, supporting up to two sockets.

These processors will likely be the top-end Cascade Lake processors; Intel is labelling them "Cascade Lake Advanced Performance," with a higher level of performance than the Xeon Scalable Processors (SP) below them. The current Xeon SP chips use a monolithic die, with up to 28 cores and 56 threads. Cascade Lake AP will instead be a multi-chip processor with multiple dies contained with in a single package. AMD is using a similar approach for its comparable products; the Epyc processors use four dies in each package, with each die having 8 cores.

The switch to a multi-chip design is likely driven by necessity: as the dies become bigger and bigger it becomes more and more likely that they'll contain a defect. Using several smaller dies helps avoid these defects. Because Intel's 10nm manufacturing process isn't yet good enough for mass market production, the new Xeons will continue to use a version of the company's 14nm process. Intel hasn't yet revealed what the topology within each package will be, so the exact distribution of those cores and memory channels between chips is as yet unknown. The enormous number of memory channels will demand an enormous socket, currently believed to be a 5903 pin connector.

Intel also announced tinier 4-6 core E-2100 Xeons with ECC memory support.

Meanwhile, AMD is holding a New Horizon event on Nov. 6, where it is expected to announce 64-core Epyc processors.

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Intel Teases 28 Core Chip, AMD Announces Threadripper 2 With Up to 32 Cores
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  • (Score: 5, Insightful) by linkdude64 on Monday November 05 2018, @10:08PM (8 children)

    by linkdude64 (5482) Subscriber Badge on Monday November 05 2018, @10:08PM (#758220)

    ...OLD THING...IN A DIFFERENT BOX!

    Is anyone else almost pitying how pathetic Intel is looking this past year? Yes, of course, they still are by far the dominant player compared to AMD, but as far as optics go, it seems to have been failure, after security disclosure, after failure, after disclosure, after failure.

    • (Score: 5, Insightful) by takyon on Monday November 05 2018, @10:25PM (2 children)

      by takyon (881) <reversethis-{gro ... s} {ta} {noykat}> on Monday November 05 2018, @10:25PM (#758227) Journal

      This is the second time in the last few months that Intel has frantically tried to divert attention from AMD's own product announcements:

      Intel Teases 28 Core Chip, AMD Announces Threadripper 2 With Up to 32 Cores [soylentnews.org]

      Competition is fine, but what we've gotten from Intel are expensive, hot [tomshardware.com] distractions.

      How hot is this thing going to run? Why couldn't they glue two of their 28-cores together?

      It's funny that they compare it to the previous generation Epyc the day before the new Epyc will probably be announced. 240% faster in certain workloads (hot-running AVX-512 I guess). Except AMD is probably going to double the core count and increase per-core performance by maybe 25% (+10-15% IPC + clock speed increases), resulting in a theoretical 150% performance increase for Epyc.

      With that said, we can praise Intel for following AMD and using multiple dies to increase core counts and get around bad yields. We knew it was coming, and it's the smart move.

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    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday November 06 2018, @12:40AM

      by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday November 06 2018, @12:40AM (#758291)

      YES, they are still trying to catchup with IBM Power series.

      We been multiple cored for years, with up to 16 "chips" on a single motherboard with 1TB per 4 chips/// that was 2002!

    • (Score: 3, Interesting) by JoeMerchant on Tuesday November 06 2018, @01:44AM (2 children)

      by JoeMerchant (3937) on Tuesday November 06 2018, @01:44AM (#758310)

      I distinctly remember a 2006 Intel press blitz about "80 core processors... coming soon!"

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      • (Score: 2) by takyon on Tuesday November 06 2018, @02:14AM (1 child)

        by takyon (881) <reversethis-{gro ... s} {ta} {noykat}> on Tuesday November 06 2018, @02:14AM (#758320) Journal

        Sounds like Larrabee [wikipedia.org]?

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        • (Score: 2) by JoeMerchant on Tuesday November 06 2018, @03:40PM

          by JoeMerchant (3937) on Tuesday November 06 2018, @03:40PM (#758529)

          Could have been, although a lot of the 2006 press flak made it sound like they were 80 parallel GPCPUs, not GPGPUs.

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    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday November 06 2018, @06:20AM

      by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday November 06 2018, @06:20AM (#758409)

      Is anyone else almost pitying how pathetic Intel is looking this past year?

      Oh yeah, well just you wait! Intel is still leading the way in innovation, and only a couple of years behind schedule.

      They will be rolling out 10 nm any day month year now!

  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday November 05 2018, @10:19PM (4 children)

    by Anonymous Coward on Monday November 05 2018, @10:19PM (#758223)

    The new processors will include a number of new AVX512 instructions designed to enhance the performance of running neural networks

    Usually you would run these on gpus with thousands (1-5k) of cores at ~1-2 Ghz. Why would some use a cpu that is dozens of cores at ~3-4 GHz instead?

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday November 05 2018, @10:49PM (3 children)

      by Anonymous Coward on Monday November 05 2018, @10:49PM (#758245)

      Imagine 50 roads between two cities with a speed limit of 60 mph vs 5000 roads with a speed limit of 30 mph.

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday November 05 2018, @10:52PM

        by Anonymous Coward on Monday November 05 2018, @10:52PM (#758247)

        The 50 roads need to be 4 lanes wide while the 5000 roads are 2 lanes wide.

      • (Score: 2) by shortscreen on Tuesday November 06 2018, @09:30AM (1 child)

        by shortscreen (2252) on Tuesday November 06 2018, @09:30AM (#758429) Journal

        If there are 5000 roads, are there also 5000 cops? Or maybe there is a higher "undocumented" speed limit.

        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday November 06 2018, @02:25PM

          by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday November 06 2018, @02:25PM (#758491)

          The roads will crumble if you drive over the speed limit without proper preperation.

  • (Score: 3, Funny) by RedGreen on Monday November 05 2018, @10:45PM (1 child)

    by RedGreen (888) on Monday November 05 2018, @10:45PM (#758240)

    I know they have had us bent over and screwing us for years, but to give us the CLAP now is a little over the top I think....

    https://www.plushcare.com/blog/why-is-gonorrhea-called-the-clap/ [plushcare.com]

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    • (Score: 2) by Freeman on Tuesday November 06 2018, @05:53PM

      by Freeman (732) on Tuesday November 06 2018, @05:53PM (#758603) Journal

      Since, I've purchased my own machines, I've only bought AMD. What's more is, I've only built my own PCs. Except the obvious Samsung Tablet, LG Smartphone, and multiple versions of the Raspberry Pi. Though, I did snag a couple of IBM A21m Thinkpads when they were being retired from my library.

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  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday November 05 2018, @10:48PM (2 children)

    by Anonymous Coward on Monday November 05 2018, @10:48PM (#758244)

    now with the added benefit of a spectre of a port smashing meltdown.

  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday November 06 2018, @12:26AM

    by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday November 06 2018, @12:26AM (#758282)

    And if so, will it be able to exfiltrate your data to NSA four times faster or will it just provide 4x the attack surface for hackers?

  • (Score: 3, Funny) by tibman on Tuesday November 06 2018, @12:26AM

    by tibman (134) Subscriber Badge on Tuesday November 06 2018, @12:26AM (#758283)

    Intel is doing what? Sorry! I can't hear you over this AMD HYPE TRAIN about to pull into the station!

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  • (Score: 2) by MichaelDavidCrawford on Tuesday November 06 2018, @12:26AM (1 child)

    by MichaelDavidCrawford (2339) Subscriber Badge <mdcrawford@gmail.com> on Tuesday November 06 2018, @12:26AM (#758285) Homepage Journal

    It's not like the pr0n can get any nakeder.

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