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posted by martyb on Friday November 09 2018, @08:28PM   Printer-friendly
from the keep-digging dept.

People from North America moved into South America in at least three migration waves, researchers report online November 8 in Cell. The first migrants, who reached South America by at least 11,000 years ago, were genetically related to a 12,600-year-old toddler from Montana known as Anzick-1 (SN: 3/22/14, p. 6). The child's skeleton was found with artifacts from the Clovis people, who researchers used to think were the first people in the Americas, although that idea has fallen out of favor. Scientists also previously thought these were the only ancient migrants to South America.

But DNA analysis of samples from 49 ancient people suggests a second wave of settlers replaced the Clovis group in South America about 9,000 years ago. And a third group related to ancient people from California's Channel Islands spread over the Central Andes about 4,200 years ago, geneticist Nathan Nakatsuka of Harvard University and colleagues found.

One mystery produced by the research was genetic markers were found in remains in Brazil that are shared with Australian Aborigines, but by no remains found between them in the Americas.


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  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday November 09 2018, @08:46PM (22 children)

    by Anonymous Coward on Friday November 09 2018, @08:46PM (#760067)

    See here [youtube.com]:

    An amateur diver has recently made an unprecedented discovery by unearthing a huge 7,000-year-old burial site off the coast of #Florida and although experts say that the people buried here are the ancestors of the #NativeAmericans, are they in fact ancient Europeans who migrated during the last #IceAge?

    • (Score: 3, Insightful) by ikanreed on Friday November 09 2018, @09:01PM (20 children)

      by ikanreed (3164) on Friday November 09 2018, @09:01PM (#760076) Journal

      Before I address your post, I need some clarity, because parody is dead.

      Do you actually believe this bullshit?

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday November 09 2018, @09:46PM (9 children)

        by Anonymous Coward on Friday November 09 2018, @09:46PM (#760088)

        That's the nature of Science: It shits all over your beliefs.

        • (Score: 5, Insightful) by Revek on Friday November 09 2018, @10:42PM (7 children)

          by Revek (5022) on Friday November 09 2018, @10:42PM (#760122)

          No, the truth shits all over your beliefs/fantasies. Science is a method for finding the truth nothing more nothing less.

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          This page was generated by a Swarm of Roaming Elephants
          • (Score: -1, Redundant) by Anonymous Coward on Friday November 09 2018, @11:57PM

            by Anonymous Coward on Friday November 09 2018, @11:57PM (#760149)

            Redundant comment is redundant.

          • (Score: -1, Redundant) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday November 10 2018, @12:10AM

            by Anonymous Coward on Saturday November 10 2018, @12:10AM (#760154)

            Redundant comment is redundant.

          • (Score: -1, Redundant) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday November 10 2018, @01:35AM

            by Anonymous Coward on Saturday November 10 2018, @01:35AM (#760192)

            Redundant comment is redundant.

          • (Score: -1, Redundant) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday November 10 2018, @04:26AM

            by Anonymous Coward on Saturday November 10 2018, @04:26AM (#760236)

            Redundant comment is redundant.

          • (Score: -1, Redundant) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday November 10 2018, @08:54AM

            by Anonymous Coward on Saturday November 10 2018, @08:54AM (#760283)

            Redundant comment is redundant.

          • (Score: -1, Redundant) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday November 10 2018, @04:06PM

            by Anonymous Coward on Saturday November 10 2018, @04:06PM (#760364)

            Redundant comment is redundant.

          • (Score: -1, Redundant) by Anonymous Coward on Monday November 12 2018, @11:57AM

            by Anonymous Coward on Monday November 12 2018, @11:57AM (#760875)

            Redundant comment is redundant.

        • (Score: 1, Funny) by Anonymous Coward on Friday November 09 2018, @11:49PM

          by Anonymous Coward on Friday November 09 2018, @11:49PM (#760145)

          That's the nature of Science: It shits all over your beliefs.

          So what you're saying is I should have named my cat "Science"?

      • (Score: 4, Interesting) by tizan on Friday November 09 2018, @10:08PM (4 children)

        by tizan (3245) on Friday November 09 2018, @10:08PM (#760100)

        It is the europefying of history...just like many cannot accept that their religion, that they will claim is absolute truth, was started by a guy who was an Arab by all definition (region, genetics etc)...He is depicted as tall, white instead of the 5ft2 or 5ft4 and brown as he was most probably.

        Similarly i am sure this narrative (not scientific fact) is to help people say that their ancestors took a continent from white people and from earlier asian migrants !

        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday November 09 2018, @10:13PM

          by Anonymous Coward on Friday November 09 2018, @10:13PM (#760104)

          You're the one talking about narratives.

        • (Score: 0, Flamebait) by Anonymous Coward on Friday November 09 2018, @10:21PM

          by Anonymous Coward on Friday November 09 2018, @10:21PM (#760109)

          It's called the Holy Roman Empire for a reason; it's called the Roman Catholic Church for a reason.

          Christianity became a thing when the Emperor of Rome seized it as a tool for unifying the otherwise disparate religions of the Empire; it satisfied the legalistic fanaticism of the Jews, and the myths of the many Roman sects, and the holidays and practices of the Pagans of Europe, and bound it all together in the pomp and circumstance of the Roman Empire, all of which was increasingly colored by Medieval European culture and then Enlightenment European culture, followed by puritanical/evangelical American culture.

          You'd have to be insane to attribute all of that to "some Arab".

          Jesus is an idea, one that turns out to be best represented by a handsome, peaceful, kind, blue-eyed European who tells you to be good and pay Caesar what is Caesars.

        • (Score: -1, Flamebait) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday November 10 2018, @12:36PM

          by Anonymous Coward on Saturday November 10 2018, @12:36PM (#760315)

          Depicted? Hardly. They have been known to kill people who publish images of their beloved paedophile prophet

        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday November 10 2018, @07:42PM

          by Anonymous Coward on Saturday November 10 2018, @07:42PM (#760470)

          people trying to make their god be like themselves is not very related to this story. Just because propagandists say that *all* "native americans" or even more presumptuous "first nations" peoples were from Mongoloid migrations doesn't mean it's true. 11k yrs? that's all you got? there could have been worldwide near extinctions of humans in previous thousands or even millions of years for all we know(ancient aliens style). or less fantastically, there very well could have been migrations of Caucasoids that predated the Mongoloid migrations and/or coexisted with said migrations. Caucasoids might have been sailing the seas/coasts setting up shop globally while the mongoloid races were still dependent on land bridges. (pyramids everywhere that have since been claimed by subsequent populations or their slaves and/or a mixture that remained. none of the scientists depending on establishment money for their research/propaganda look into/talk about any of that shit) the PC version of history is that these mongoloid peoples were here in their "native homeland" minding their own business when evil Uncle Cracker showed up to slaughter them. who's to say that the mongoloid migrations didn't find Caucasoid populations (maybe only in pockets and rarely?) and either breed them out over time, or defeat them in war as well? Who's to say that kings of european countries taking over "native american" land didn't have knowledge of previous wars? maybe it was partially about revenge? it wouldn't be the first time. maybe it was revenge for the hun invasion/near destruction of europe? the fact is, that the Aryan race (specifically) is trying to be disappeared from history and the future (usually by brainwashed white people), and this "europefying" is many times a response to that, not necessarily the other way around. there are also "black nationalists" (any black "nut" who questions their history according to some, i'm sure) who claim that there were "Native Americans" of African decent. i don't rule that shit out either. in fact, i have questions, but no time to research it. there's a lot we don't know (purposely?) about ancient human history and dates of things to be such a douche.

      • (Score: 2) by ikanreed on Saturday November 10 2018, @01:11AM (4 children)

        by ikanreed (3164) on Saturday November 10 2018, @01:11AM (#760175) Journal

        AncientArchitects and AncientAliens aren't fucking science.

        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday November 10 2018, @01:39AM (2 children)

          by Anonymous Coward on Saturday November 10 2018, @01:39AM (#760197)

          It would be a shame if something were to happen to it.

          • (Score: 2) by ikanreed on Saturday November 10 2018, @02:42AM (1 child)

            by ikanreed (3164) on Saturday November 10 2018, @02:42AM (#760209) Journal

            That's literally the dumbass youtube channel you linked.

            • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday November 10 2018, @04:07AM

              by Anonymous Coward on Saturday November 10 2018, @04:07AM (#760231)

              Keep thinking about it.

        • (Score: 2) by NotSanguine on Saturday November 10 2018, @04:18AM

          by NotSanguine (285) <reversethis-{grO ... a} {eniugnaStoN}> on Saturday November 10 2018, @04:18AM (#760234) Homepage Journal

          The Centauri technology [fanpop.com] involved in keeping Giorgio Tsoukalos' [wikipedia.org] hair in place proves that aliens, ancient or otherwise, exist.

          --
          No, no, you're not thinking; you're just being logical. --Niels Bohr
    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday November 10 2018, @12:55PM

      by Anonymous Coward on Saturday November 10 2018, @12:55PM (#760320)

      #Because #everything #must #start #with #gay #hashtags

  • (Score: 1, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Friday November 09 2018, @09:54PM (3 children)

    by Anonymous Coward on Friday November 09 2018, @09:54PM (#760092)

    genetic markers were found in remains in Brazil that are shared with Australian Aborigines

    Australia was probably occupied by a seafaring group. Such are more likely to drift and occupy other lands.

    • (Score: 3, Touché) by MostCynical on Friday November 09 2018, @11:13PM

      by MostCynical (2589) on Friday November 09 2018, @11:13PM (#760130) Journal

      Quite. [abc.net.au] Here is a map [businessinsider.com.au].

      --
      "I guess once you start doubting, there's no end to it." -Batou, Ghost in the Shell: Stand Alone Complex
    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday November 10 2018, @12:41PM

      by Anonymous Coward on Saturday November 10 2018, @12:41PM (#760316)

      There is a theory currently being investigated that they came in at least two waves.
      The second wave killing off the first.
      Regardless, they killed each other in disputes over territory for centuries with might making right.
      Yet still today they whine about the loss of their land. Go figure.

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday November 10 2018, @07:46PM

      by Anonymous Coward on Saturday November 10 2018, @07:46PM (#760471)

      dark indians(dots not feathers) have australoid dna(and look like them too). modern science says that this is because of an early migration out of africa with some people passing through india and ending up in australia(basically). the australian aborigines say they have been their since the dawn of the world. if you look at a map of pangea, india is right next to australia. makes you wonder...

  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday November 09 2018, @10:05PM (2 children)

    by Anonymous Coward on Friday November 09 2018, @10:05PM (#760096)

    The Mormon religion is predicated upon the idea that the Americas were settled in a few waves.
    While the main thrust of their scripture is premised upon the life and times of one family and their descendants from the middle east, those descendants encounter both people and writings from waves of cultures that had come before.
    Makes you think doesn't it?

    • (Score: 3, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Friday November 09 2018, @11:55PM

      by Anonymous Coward on Friday November 09 2018, @11:55PM (#760148)

      Makes you think doesn't it?

      Makes me think that people will try to glom on to anything that comes close to the narrative they think will bolster their religious beliefs.

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday November 10 2018, @12:53PM

      by Anonymous Coward on Saturday November 10 2018, @12:53PM (#760319)

      No, the The Mormon religion is predicated upon the idea that there is some imaginary magic sky wiener that says it was ok to have multiple wives, molest children, and sell magic underwear. Not joking or trolling.

  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday November 09 2018, @10:08PM

    by Anonymous Coward on Friday November 09 2018, @10:08PM (#760099)

    hey, we're doing as the DNA did!

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