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posted by martyb on Friday November 09 2018, @10:07PM   Printer-friendly
from the should-have-scene-it-coming dept.

CNBC:

Disney's new streaming service will be called Disney+ and launch in late 2019, CEO Bob Iger announced on the company's earnings call Thursday.

The company announced in August 2017 it would pull all its movies from Netflix in 2019, and start its own streaming offering for its past titles. Disney also purchased Fox for $71.3 billion in cash and stock, further bolstering its library.

The service will also feature new, original shows and movies, including original Marvel and Star Wars series. Marvel fan favorite character Loki, played by Tom Hiddleston, will get an original series on the Disney+ service. A prequel series to Star Wars movie "Rogue One" about the character Cassian Andor, portrayed by Diego Luna, will also call the service home.

Are these streaming services the second coming of Cable?


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  • (Score: 2) by Gaaark on Friday November 09 2018, @10:10PM (9 children)

    by Gaaark (41) on Friday November 09 2018, @10:10PM (#760101) Journal

    So i'll miss some Disney shite...who cares. Even the Star Wars movies aren't worth watching anymore.

    Buh-bye...don't let Donald hit you on the way out.

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    • (Score: 2) by richtopia on Friday November 09 2018, @10:31PM (8 children)

      by richtopia (3160) on Friday November 09 2018, @10:31PM (#760115) Homepage Journal

      I suspect that you aren't the target demographic. My understanding is negotiating with children on media consumption is quite difficult, and perhaps paying the 10 or 20 or 50 dollars a month to the Mouse is a reasonable price to pay.

      • (Score: 1, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Friday November 09 2018, @10:41PM (1 child)

        by Anonymous Coward on Friday November 09 2018, @10:41PM (#760120)

        Or you could just tell them the truth. That streaming and binge watching these shows are causing their peers IQs to drop and thus, by preventing them from consuming this crap you are saving them from a life of suffering.
        Can't stop the sleepovers though.

        I tried to ban my kids from Netflix a few years ago by cancelling our Netflix subscription.
        My daughter borrowed her friend's netflix password and bye, bye parental controls amongst other things.
        Guessing the same thing will happen if we don't pay for Disney- too.

        • (Score: 4, Insightful) by legont on Saturday November 10 2018, @01:26AM

          by legont (4179) on Saturday November 10 2018, @01:26AM (#760183)

          That's unless they learn pirating skills that are very usefull in mordern life.

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      • (Score: 1, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Friday November 09 2018, @10:42PM (4 children)

        by Anonymous Coward on Friday November 09 2018, @10:42PM (#760121)

        If negotiating with your children is quite diffucult, you aren't beating them often enough.

        • (Score: 2) by Bot on Friday November 09 2018, @11:03PM (3 children)

          by Bot (3902) on Friday November 09 2018, @11:03PM (#760127) Journal

          beating children is awful and barbaric.
          starve them instead.

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          • (Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Friday November 09 2018, @11:08PM (1 child)

            by Anonymous Coward on Friday November 09 2018, @11:08PM (#760129)

            That doesn't work with young kids - they can't connect cause and effect well enough. Not to mention they're insufferable (or more so) the whole damn time.

            Fewer diaper changes though...

            • (Score: 2) by Bot on Sunday November 11 2018, @08:43AM

              by Bot (3902) on Sunday November 11 2018, @08:43AM (#760606) Journal

              Thank you for the nugget of info, but my suggestion wasn't to be taken seriously.

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          • (Score: 3, Funny) by legont on Saturday November 10 2018, @01:29AM

            by legont (4179) on Saturday November 10 2018, @01:29AM (#760186)

            Starve them from social symbols. For example, dress them in second hand closes bought from rednecks.

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      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday November 10 2018, @09:14AM

        by Anonymous Coward on Saturday November 10 2018, @09:14AM (#760288)

        Then don't negotiate with them. Tell them.

  • (Score: 2) by Bot on Friday November 09 2018, @11:00PM (1 child)

    by Bot (3902) on Friday November 09 2018, @11:00PM (#760125) Journal

    > be google
    > wanna compete with fb
    > call service google plus
    > *crickets*
    > be disney
    > wanna compete with netflix
    > call service disney+
    you are here

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    • (Score: 2) by requerdanos on Saturday November 10 2018, @03:10AM

      by requerdanos (5997) Subscriber Badge on Saturday November 10 2018, @03:10AM (#760217) Journal

      > call service disney+
      you are here

      I would argue that Google didn't add anything to the Facebook experience, so the "+" probably didn't make sense.

      Disney, on the other hand, is all about the plus. Copyright extensions, for example; plus is the direction in which Disney wants them to go.

      If that's a little too abstract, then just from TFS we have "Disney Plus a bunch of derivative drivel and derivatives of derivative drivel". The "plus" makes more sense in this case.

      I don't see it as positive motion towards any sort of successful thing, though. The more drivel, derivative drivel, etc. that gets produced will eventually wake more and more people to the epiphany that "The Current TV Shows" are not "must-see" like the commercial said. There are more and more worse and worse ones, and even TV junkies can see the diminishing return on investment of time and eyeballs.

      Or is that just my cynicism putting me out of touch again.

  • (Score: 2) by NotSanguine on Friday November 09 2018, @11:06PM

    by NotSanguine (285) <NotSanguineNO@SPAMSoylentNews.Org> on Friday November 09 2018, @11:06PM (#760128) Homepage Journal

    Another waste of money in which I will not participate.

    Good times! [youtube.com]

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  • (Score: 2) by MostCynical on Saturday November 10 2018, @12:09AM (3 children)

    by MostCynical (2589) on Saturday November 10 2018, @12:09AM (#760153) Journal

    Which Disney rules will be broken on disney+?
    no smoking, skewering or beheading [bustle.com]?
    Or just the R*rating [cbr.com] ban?

    *US R rating, seems to be equivalent to NC17+ or MA in other countries. So no sex, but lots of violence and death. Yay for sensible ratings. Can't have children seeing sex, death and destruction are far better entertainment!

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    • (Score: 2) by schad on Saturday November 10 2018, @02:14AM (2 children)

      by schad (2398) on Saturday November 10 2018, @02:14AM (#760204)

      US R rating, seems to be equivalent to NC17+ or MA in other countries. So no sex, but lots of violence and death. Yay for sensible ratings. Can't have children seeing sex, death and destruction are far better entertainment!

      Your understanding of US movie ratings is incorrect. There can indeed be sex scenes in R-rated movies. They can even be quite graphic.

      Perhaps what you're thinking is that any movie in the US with nudity will get an automatic R rating, but movies with quite a lot of violence may be only PG-13 (the rating immediately below R). This one is absolutely true. I don't think it's necessarily true, but as a practical matter, it seems that no movie producer wants to go to the effort to figure out what level of nudity the MPAA would consider acceptable for a PG-13 rating, so it may as well be.

      • (Score: 2) by MostCynical on Saturday November 10 2018, @05:43AM (1 child)

        by MostCynical (2589) on Saturday November 10 2018, @05:43AM (#760253) Journal

        As no Disney movie is R, no Disney movie will have any sex. But, as is evidenced by Marvel and many cartoons, there is/will be lots of vuolence

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        • (Score: 2) by schad on Saturday November 10 2018, @08:00PM

          by schad (2398) on Saturday November 10 2018, @08:00PM (#760474)

          It's possible that a reasonable defense of your position can be made, but you need to do a lot more research before you can make it. Just about every factual statement you've made has been incorrect, usually obviously so. For example:

          no Disney movie is R

          This is false. Disney has released, through its wholly-owned and directly-controlled subsidiary studios, plenty of R-rated films, including some quite famous ones (such as Pulp Fiction and Kill Bill). Disney literally created a studio -- Touchstone Pictures -- for the specific purpose of releasing movies deemed too mature for its "Disney-branded" studios.

  • (Score: 5, Insightful) by Snotnose on Saturday November 10 2018, @12:17AM (9 children)

    by Snotnose (1623) on Saturday November 10 2018, @12:17AM (#760159)

    I know how to use Pirate Bay and friends, cut the cable 6 months ago when my rate went from $120/month (which was too much but whatever) to $140 (yeah, how about no).

    Given what I've downloaded over the past 6 months I'm good to go for a year. 6 feet under, Star Trek Discovery, Altered Carbon. Couldn't watch any of them before. Young Sheldon, Supernatural, and Survivor? Yeah, I'm guessing in 6 months I'll be able to download them.

    In other words, give me what I want for a fair price, or I'll find another way to watch what I want.

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    • (Score: 4, Insightful) by ikanreed on Saturday November 10 2018, @01:28AM (8 children)

      by ikanreed (3164) Subscriber Badge on Saturday November 10 2018, @01:28AM (#760184) Journal

      All these million streaming services are also a giant pain in the ass. I had no problem with the netflix model, at it's core: buy millions of cheap licenses at let people watch what they want, until you run out, renew the cost effective licenses.

      But "exclusives" are hell, and trying to figure out who provides what thing is just... yeah, back to piracy.

      • (Score: 2) by legont on Saturday November 10 2018, @01:35AM (7 children)

        by legont (4179) on Saturday November 10 2018, @01:35AM (#760193)

        I watch what I can pirate. If I can't pirate it, too bad, I am not watching that shit. But honestly, there is nothing that they produced over the last three decades worse even pirating.

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        • (Score: 4, Insightful) by ikanreed on Saturday November 10 2018, @01:37AM (5 children)

          by ikanreed (3164) Subscriber Badge on Saturday November 10 2018, @01:37AM (#760195) Journal

          Yeah, I think maybe you just don't like things. Even if you don't like corporate overproduced trash, there's lots out there.

          • (Score: 4, Insightful) by legont on Saturday November 10 2018, @01:51AM

            by legont (4179) on Saturday November 10 2018, @01:51AM (#760200)

            Well, may be, but I don't think so. I still can find lots of good books. Movies, on the other hand, are trash with rare exeptions.

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          • (Score: 2) by bzipitidoo on Saturday November 10 2018, @03:19PM (2 children)

            by bzipitidoo (4388) on Saturday November 10 2018, @03:19PM (#760352) Journal

            No, Hollywood has some significant problems, and it is reasonable to say most movies are trash. Hollywood is awesome with the visuals. They try hard to get the looks fantastic, dramatic and exciting, and they spare no expense on that. They've really come a long ways from the days of visible wires holding up the planets and spaceships in 1950s sci-fi.

            Where Hollywood routinely stumbles is the plotting. Very rare for the movie to be as good as or better than the book. Usually it's a lot worse. Sequels are another area they routinely botch. How about Highlander II? Batman and Robin? Those that aren't based on books are still full of cheese. Like, that line in Star Wars, "you will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy". Arrrgh! And that movie is a supposed classic, one of the best. The Lord of the Rings movies are a case in point. Perhaps it is the very sort of "corporate overproduced trash" you mean, but the disease infects most movies. They cheapened and trivialized the plot everywhere. They reduced Gimli to a bunch of mean jokes against short people. There's that part where Gollum frames Sam for eating all the food, and Frodo believes that?!? Takes Gollum's word over Sam's? Bullshit! The battle scenes are mostly fine, but there's a brief break in the violence so an orc can deliver a majorly cheesy line "now is the age of orcs". Or, how about dropping the Scouring of the Shire entirely? I can understand leaving Tom Bombadil out, but Scouring of the Shire is an essential part of the plot. And so on. Some of what they did was to cram the story into a few hours worth of movie footage, and they ought to quit doing that. But most of the changes can't be justified by even that lame of an excuse.

            Then there's Hollywood's penchant for getting wildly "nuking the fridge" unrealistic. Real human bodies can't take a fraction of what Hollywood shows people taking. Just walk away from a horrific automobile wreck, not only survive a helicopter or plane crash but stumble out of the burning wreck still alive and largely unhurt, and if they are hurt, they heal improbably fast and completely. Huge explosions somehow never cause any concussive damage, etc.

            Disney is hugely formulaic, worse than average. And to keep things what is thought to be kid-friendly, they're the king of Bowdlerization. Deaths do happen, lots, but the Disney movie always looks away.

            • (Score: 3, Interesting) by Phoenix666 on Saturday November 10 2018, @04:00PM (1 child)

              by Phoenix666 (552) on Saturday November 10 2018, @04:00PM (#760361) Journal

              I would have enjoyed the inclusion of Tom Bombadil. That added extreme dimension to the perceived age of Middle Earth. Also, it explained how Merry and Pippin came by the swords they used to pierce the Witchking's enchantments so Eowyn could kill him. Without Bombadil, the struggle against Sauron is the sum total of what has happened in Middle Earth; with Bombadil it's an impermanent altercation against an eternal background.

              Agree on the Scouring of the Shire.

              It seems to me the underlying problem with Hollywood is that they tell the same stories over and over again with the same cast of characters. There are many more interesting story structures actually out there, but they don't make it to the big screen intact. It's probably because they don't test well with focus groups. I am still surprised that Cloud Atlas ever got made; it was a difficult story structure to follow but it came together nicely in the end.

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              • (Score: 2) by bzipitidoo on Sunday November 11 2018, @04:02AM

                by bzipitidoo (4388) on Sunday November 11 2018, @04:02AM (#760560) Journal

                I also would have liked to see Tom Bombadil, played by Robin Williams.

          • (Score: 2) by Bot on Sunday November 11 2018, @08:56AM

            by Bot (3902) on Sunday November 11 2018, @08:56AM (#760607) Journal

            Have you watched enough pre 1990 stuff to say it's equivalent to newer stuff? Top productions now feature characters that have trouble attaining the depth of those in the Dukes of Hazzard.

            As for the political correctness in the newer stuff, it is commendable to present the main character as a spotless saint (yes it has spots but those are artificial and bound to be overcome by the end of the show), but you would know what risks it entails... if you only watched the final part of Dr Jekyll e gentile signora, a B series movies, in the original version with subtitles.

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        • (Score: 2) by stretch611 on Saturday November 10 2018, @01:46PM

          by stretch611 (6199) on Saturday November 10 2018, @01:46PM (#760338)

          That's bull... there is a lot of decent stuff out there. Some is even worth buying if it wasn't overpriced and full of BS DRM. Sadly, piracy is an answer.

          I will admit to one thing though.... There is a ton of crap out there... regurgitated plot lines... complete lack of innovation, reality shows (though this version of House Hunters [NSFW-Language] [youtube.com] seems interesting)

          It does not matter what type of media you prefer... Music, Video, Programs/Games... There are a few good titles... but to find them you have to wade through a ton of crap.

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  • (Score: 2) by Kawumpa on Saturday November 10 2018, @08:25AM (1 child)

    by Kawumpa (1187) on Saturday November 10 2018, @08:25AM (#760280)

    So now this market is fragmenting too. This happened to sports TV (at least in Europe) where in order to follow the most important events of your favourite sport, you have to subscribe to multiple services. The consumer has to pay more and has to deal with increased annoyances. This reminds me of DVDs, where those who had the most hassle, in the form of forced advertising and previews, where those who bought or rented DVDs, obtained them legally. Those who got backup copies, stripped off the annoyances, from you know where, had none of that to deal with.

    How long will it take until enough consumers decide that it's just not worth it to deal with TV license fee, cable TV provider, internet service provider, a number of Pay TV providers, a number of streaming music, film and series providers and whatever you can think of?

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday November 10 2018, @12:28PM

      by Anonymous Coward on Saturday November 10 2018, @12:28PM (#760311)

      They tried this in Australia with broadcasting events. It did not work at all. The downturn in viewership will be hard to recover. More people just use the internet these days to watch the game or the highlights.
      Out the window goes the advertising dollars. They shot themselves in the foot in the same watch the movie studios did.

  • (Score: 2) by RandomFactor on Saturday November 10 2018, @11:22AM

    by RandomFactor (3682) Subscriber Badge on Saturday November 10 2018, @11:22AM (#760302) Journal

    What do we want -everything in one place-

    What do we not want -every damned studio setting up its own pay service-, - every damned pay service becoming its own studio-

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  • (Score: 1) by zoward on Saturday November 10 2018, @11:23AM (2 children)

    by zoward (4734) on Saturday November 10 2018, @11:23AM (#760303)

    A decade or two ago everyone was clamoring for a la carte pricing, since the cable comapnies all sold you content in "tiers", mny of which contained the one channel everyone wanted with a bunch of bullshit channels that were paying the cable co to be included in their lineup. Now if you think of what's going on right now as a la carte pricing, you can see what hgappens when the shoe's on the other foot - you have to go buy all the content a piece of a time (or acquire it through TPB). From a content provider's perspective, this is an opportunity to eliminate the middleman. It's no surprise that piracy is on the rise again, or the the combined pipe/content providers (e.g., AT&T), are throwing customers off their service in order to combat it.

    • (Score: 1, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday November 10 2018, @12:52PM (1 child)

      by Anonymous Coward on Saturday November 10 2018, @12:52PM (#760318)

      Each generation of P2P is an improvement on the last.
      Most likely, the next time P2P rises again a far greater proportion of the population will be involved. The tools will be far superior.
      What will the MAFFIA do then?

      • (Score: 2) by bzipitidoo on Sunday November 11 2018, @04:28AM

        by bzipitidoo (4388) on Sunday November 11 2018, @04:28AM (#760564) Journal

        That's what I've been arguing, Computer game piracy was rampant in the 1980s, before we had the mp3 codec, CD burners, big hard drives, dedicated sound hardware, and the Internet. Was only a matter of time before music piracy took off, once all those elements were in place. And now we have much better everything-- better codecs, much more storage space than an old CD, much faster computers, and ubiquitous broadband networking. It will continue improving, likely passing the point that an entire movie in 4K format can be downloaded in less than 1 minute,

        And I think the answer is that copyright is doomed. It will have to be scrapped. They have no choice but to change business models. The only choice they have is whether they will be early adopters, or laggards. And they're choosing to be laggards, and very ugly, bitter, spiteful and dangerous laggards at that.

  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday November 10 2018, @05:34PM

    by Anonymous Coward on Saturday November 10 2018, @05:34PM (#760407)

    i'm so glad TBL voted for extended media extensions (or whatever they are called) so these dinosaurs don't actually have to modernize their business models. now they can just perpetuate their monopoly of slime well into infinity! good job, whores.

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