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posted by janrinok on Saturday July 12 2014, @04:17PM   Printer-friendly
from the too-much-too-far-too-late? dept.

Two articles have been received regarding the NSA and its activities:

NSA chief knew of Snowden file destruction by Guardian in UK

Surprising absolutely no one, the Guardian reports that Keith Alexander was fully briefed and supportive of the GCHQ's plan to destroy Snowden-related computers at the Guardian's offices in London.

The revelation that Alexander and Obama's director of national intelligence, James Clapper, were advised on the Guardian's destruction of several hard disks and laptops contrasts markedly with public White House statements that distanced the US from the decision.

White House and NSA emails obtained by Associated Press under freedom of information legislation demonstrate how pleased Alexander and his colleagues were with the developments. At times the correspondence takes a celebratory tone, with one official describing the anticipated destruction as "good news".

A Compromise with the NSA

"The NSA wants to know everything we do? Fine, but only if We the People see everything the NSA does. The real problem with the current mass surveillance is asymmetry."

Now we all know that the NSA is not going to open its doors and reveal its secrets - that would be foolhardy in the extreme and seriously endanger the US and its citizens. And despite the sincerely-held views of many of our members and others elsewhere, from the outside there doesn't appear to be anything like a groundswell of dissent in the US regarding Snowden's revelations about the NSA's activities.

However, perhaps by being a little more open it might begin to win back the trust of those who currently doubt that the NSA is working in their interests. What would it take for you to be convinced that the NSA was under control and acting in the best interests of every US citizen, and not just the interests of a small number who appear to use it to cling to power? What amount of spying on allies and partners would be acceptable while remembering that each time such activity is discovered it weakens the trust of the ally and can have serious repercussions for US business? Would clearly stating which terrorist plots had been thwarted by intelligence gathered, in part at least, by the NSA be enough? Or have we already passed the point of no return?

 
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  • (Score: 2) by FatPhil on Sunday July 13 2014, @10:47AM

    by FatPhil (863) <{pc-soylent} {at} {asdf.fi}> on Sunday July 13 2014, @10:47AM (#68471) Homepage
    Thanks for the Milton reference. It's not a work I've read, as, frankly, it's too heavy. Reading that, I wondered if it was an influence on the phrase "better the devil you know..." (even though it's a god rather than a devil). Research on the googles was tough, as everyone seems keen to explain it (it doesn't require explanation, IMHO), but nobody could provide a source quotation. I sicced my g/f on the task, and she immediately added 'alt.quotations' to the search, which yielded an almost immediate
    http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:HfpD3mg9efQJ:https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.quotations/8O3dcrvIqPc/x3lh_2fH358J%2Bbetter+the+devil+you+know+alt.quotations
    """
    It is probably much older than that in various forms.
    e.g. Recorded from 1586 by D. Rowland is:
    "Better is evill knowne, than the good which is yet to know."
    """
    Which predates even Milton. (And hoorah for usenet!)
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