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posted by martyb on Tuesday November 13 2018, @12:50PM   Printer-friendly
from the Room-101-dept dept.

As the days go by our hard won freedoms and liberty are slowly being eroded. In Europe a crushing blow has been made to freedom of speech with a European Court of Human Rights upholding a conviction for saying that the person known as Muhammad ten centuries ago was technically a paedophile based on information in historical texts. The statement was made in reference to Muhammad's marriage to a six year old child name called Aisha. The court found that “Presenting objects of religious worship in a provocative way capable of hurting the feelings of the followers of that religion could be conceived as a malicious violation of the spirit of tolerance, which was one of the bases of a democratic society.”. In giving its ruling that "Muhammad was not a worthy subject of worship" the court has additionally demonstrated a complete misunderstanding as to the religion involved which worships "Allah", a word meaning 'God', not 'Muhammad' who claimed to be a prophet of this god. Freedom of speech is dying.


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  • (Score: 4, Insightful) by Runaway1956 on Tuesday November 13 2018, @03:12PM (17 children)

    by Runaway1956 (2926) Subscriber Badge on Tuesday November 13 2018, @03:12PM (#761310) Homepage Journal

    Never heard of Quigley before. But, skimming over the Wiki article, I can say that he's full of shit. He *may* be right, in regards to Christianity, but he's all wrong about "western" civilization. We, the West, have had little to do with inclusivity, or any of that other crap he talks about. As Christians, we are pretty much willing to accept anyone who accepts our God. Reject God, and we reject you. That's the way it is. All three Abrahamic religions have that in common.

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  • (Score: 1, Troll) by Bot on Tuesday November 13 2018, @04:42PM (12 children)

    by Bot (3902) on Tuesday November 13 2018, @04:42PM (#761361) Journal

    >Reject God, and we reject you. That's the way it is. All three Abrahamic religions have that in common.

    The ABC of Christianity is the sermon of the mount. All the rest is what Christ told/did his disciples and not necessarily meant for every believer.

    Enter Matthew 5:
    45 That ye may be the children of your Father which is in heaven: for he maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust.
    46 For if ye love them which love you, what reward have ye? do not even the publicans the same?
    47 And if ye salute your brethren only, what do ye more than others? do not even the publicans so?
    48 Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.

    Also, I wouldn't lump Christianity with the two subsequent religions, Judaism (a split occurred 33AD) and Islam which are notable because explicitly ANTI-christ. Islam is not anti Jesus but this is meaningless from a Christian POV.

    But in practice I agree with you for a fundamental reason: Islam is the religion of immigrants. Immigrants are being hosted. The law of hospitality is quite simple. I let you into my house, you don't dictate ANY FUCKING THING, especially the denial of an obvious truth, that a prophet (JUSTICE be upon him) married a child and fucked a teen, which at the time might have been normal but now is referred to as pederasty. If you are an european converted to Islam, instead, you belong to a tradition of not fucking teens, so what are you offended about? about the sky being blue?

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    • (Score: 4, Touché) by Runaway1956 on Tuesday November 13 2018, @05:01PM (5 children)

      by Runaway1956 (2926) Subscriber Badge on Tuesday November 13 2018, @05:01PM (#761370) Homepage Journal

      One error in your post. Nine years old is not a teen. A teen is (usually) sexually mature. It may be stupid to get teens pregnant as soon as they bleed, but it's more or less natural. Banging babies who have no idea what sexual maturity means is not natural.

      Few men fail to notice that a nubile teen is nubile. Fewer men get excited over - what? A third grade girl? Fourth grade? This Moo-ham-mad guy got excited over Aisha when she was little more than an infant, arranged the "marriage", then waited about three or four years to "marry", then waited three more years to bang her. He didn't want to wait for her to become an "old maid" I guess.

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      • (Score: 2) by Bot on Tuesday November 13 2018, @05:28PM

        by Bot (3902) on Tuesday November 13 2018, @05:28PM (#761378) Journal

        Indeed I thought she was older when the old man hit. EW.

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      • (Score: 2) by Gaaark on Tuesday November 13 2018, @07:34PM (3 children)

        by Gaaark (41) on Tuesday November 13 2018, @07:34PM (#761425) Journal

        I think that's part of the excitement about boobs: girls with no boobs means "Don't touch", whereas when boobs develop, it means they're close to ready. In other words, the biggly the boobs, the more ready they are for sex.

        Also, the more you get to see of the breasts, the closer you are to seeing more of the girl and the closer you are to having sex.

        Breasts: the gateway drug to sex.

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        • (Score: 3, Touché) by edIII on Tuesday November 13 2018, @09:04PM (2 children)

          by edIII (791) Subscriber Badge on Tuesday November 13 2018, @09:04PM (#761449)

          Uh, huh. Just where do all the ass men fit in to your theory?

          It's not unified, until it integrates Sir Mix-A-Lot's seminal observation, "Anaconda don't want nun, unless it got buns hun".

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          • (Score: 2) by isostatic on Tuesday November 13 2018, @10:26PM

            by isostatic (365) on Tuesday November 13 2018, @10:26PM (#761476) Journal

            They’re in the closet

          • (Score: 2) by Joe Desertrat on Tuesday November 13 2018, @10:40PM

            by Joe Desertrat (2454) on Tuesday November 13 2018, @10:40PM (#761486)

            Uh, huh. Just where do all the ass men fit in to your theory?

            Breasts apparently evolved in humans from simple teats for providing milk to mimic the appearance of full, round buttocks that signify a better ability to survive famine. The ass men are just puritans of a sort.

    • (Score: 3, Funny) by Pino P on Tuesday November 13 2018, @05:31PM (2 children)

      by Pino P (4721) on Tuesday November 13 2018, @05:31PM (#761380) Journal

      And if ye salute your brethren only, what reward have ye? do not even the publicans the same?

      The prefix "re-" means "again". What's a word for those who act like "publicans again"? And it'd appear that "salut[ing] your brethren only" applies well to the "purity tests" that have empowered paleoconservatives lately.

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday November 14 2018, @09:42AM

        by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday November 14 2018, @09:42AM (#761667)

        Not "re:", more from res, "thing, matter", combined with publica, for Respublica, the "public thing". Norse had it better, they just called it a "Thing", and the big one the "Allthing". Bloody Vikings!

      • (Score: 2) by Bot on Wednesday November 14 2018, @10:25AM

        by Bot (3902) on Wednesday November 14 2018, @10:25AM (#761686) Journal

        > applies well to the "purity tests" that have empowered paleoconservatives lately
        I think that your application of this gospel to define who should be a republican candidate, or a truck driver or a surgeon for that matter, are not gonna end well.

        In general though, you are right, being the christian ones is tougher than it looks, if you want the comfort of the tribe go for the anti christian ones.

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    • (Score: 5, Informative) by DutchUncle on Tuesday November 13 2018, @06:35PM (2 children)

      by DutchUncle (5370) on Tuesday November 13 2018, @06:35PM (#761409)

      Judaism isn't "subsequent" - it's the original. Jesus would have been brought up Jewish, if he's supposed to be descended from David. Judaism isn't "anti Jesus", it's "before Jesus and therefore not including Jesus ". And by the way, if the guy had written his own damn book, maybe he would have been called a prophet, except the political situation was sort of tense what with the Roman occupation and all.

      • (Score: 2, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday November 13 2018, @08:31PM

        by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday November 13 2018, @08:31PM (#761435)

        Judaism isn't original, Babylonian mythology is.

        Jesus would have been executed by haredim for being a heretic. Oh wait, he did. kek.

        Judaism is a bad copy, perverted by political realities of early rabbis and desert realities of israelites.

        The core thing that you forget, is that Daud was not actually following judaism, and neither did Suleiman.

        The imagery was colonised by the other people, who have as much claim to the holy land, as Ukrainians have to Moscow City.

      • (Score: 2) by Bot on Wednesday November 14 2018, @10:16AM

        by Bot (3902) on Wednesday November 14 2018, @10:16AM (#761684) Journal

        Judaism in a nutshell:
        - The LORD is on our side, will send us a messiah that will heal the blind and the deaf and lead us to conquer all humanity
        - hey, there is that Jesus guy who reportedly healed the blind and the deaf and his followers are in all parts of the world.
        - Nah, too much of a friend of the gentiles, we pass.
        2000 years of more or less disguised attempts at political/cultural dominance (without disdain for the arsenal of tricks of the devil) and correlated suffered persecution follow. I say correlated, not casually linked, envy is a thing.

        I mean, if you believe in Christ it is a no brainer, but even if you don't believe, you gotta concede it looks more of a fork than the other branch.

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  • (Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday November 13 2018, @07:44PM (3 children)

    by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday November 13 2018, @07:44PM (#761427)

    As Christians, we are pretty much willing to accept anyone who accepts our God. Reject God, and we reject you. That's the way it is.

    I think herein lies the fundamental problem. You are brainwashed at birth to believe the above sentences and human psychology being what it is that quickly extends to "willing to accept anyone who agrees with us. Reject our ideas and we reject you."

    Least accepting people in the US, shockingly it goes with being the most racist people in the US, and more frequently the most selfish people in the US. Key word "most" which leaves room for other groups to also be shitty, not just your "tribe".

    Fucking religious dinosaurs, thank god religion is on the way out demographically.

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday November 13 2018, @09:19PM (1 child)

      by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday November 13 2018, @09:19PM (#761455)

      I'm just wondering how the Runaway reconciles that with Yahweh's multiple commands to put "lickbutts" to death.

      I'm certain he has some way to reconcile it, such as defining "lickbutts" as unpeople.

      • (Score: 2) by Bot on Wednesday November 14 2018, @10:36AM

        by Bot (3902) on Wednesday November 14 2018, @10:36AM (#761687) Journal

        I am certain you will recognize that homosexuality, or gluttony for that matter, were socially unwelcome habits, before the industrial reshaping of society. You will also recognize that 'the hardness of their hearts' implies some laws given by the god can become more lenient or harsher (matthew 5 again), not because the god changes idea, because the recipient has changed.

        If somebody campaigned against gluttony as a sin, with eat pride and stuff (which will happen after normalizing pedophilia bestiality and polygamy I guess, the push to reshape society will not end with LGBT obviously), I would say it's not a grave sin given our circumstances, but still a sin.

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    • (Score: 2) by Bot on Wednesday November 14 2018, @10:38AM

      by Bot (3902) on Wednesday November 14 2018, @10:38AM (#761689) Journal

      Selfish people built America, son. It's like if Hitler won on the other side of the ocean, you would have ended up with an Union of European Countries. Luckily he didn't and... o shit.

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