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posted by martyb on Tuesday November 13 2018, @12:50PM   Printer-friendly
from the Room-101-dept dept.

As the days go by our hard won freedoms and liberty are slowly being eroded. In Europe a crushing blow has been made to freedom of speech with a European Court of Human Rights upholding a conviction for saying that the person known as Muhammad ten centuries ago was technically a paedophile based on information in historical texts. The statement was made in reference to Muhammad's marriage to a six year old child name called Aisha. The court found that “Presenting objects of religious worship in a provocative way capable of hurting the feelings of the followers of that religion could be conceived as a malicious violation of the spirit of tolerance, which was one of the bases of a democratic society.”. In giving its ruling that "Muhammad was not a worthy subject of worship" the court has additionally demonstrated a complete misunderstanding as to the religion involved which worships "Allah", a word meaning 'God', not 'Muhammad' who claimed to be a prophet of this god. Freedom of speech is dying.


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  • (Score: 3, Informative) by Thexalon on Tuesday November 13 2018, @03:33PM (6 children)

    by Thexalon (636) on Tuesday November 13 2018, @03:33PM (#761319)

    Wait, so if it is a historical fact that an old man had sex with a girl less than 10 years old centuries ago today it can't be said in public that the person was a pedophile?

    My understanding from the record is that he officially married her when she was 6, but that he didn't consummate the marriage until she started menstruating. Still pretty icky, since she was somewhere around age 10 at the time, but not quite as icky as banging a 6-year-old. Nobody else at the time seems to have thought this was unusual or out of line, and the wife in question actually made a big deal about all of this as proof that she was more legitimate than his other wives because she had definitely been a virgin before she was married.

    It's also worth mentioning that however icky all of this is, child marriage is happening among American Christians today [theguardian.com]. This appears to be the result of a literal reading of Deuteronomy 22:28-9: "If a man find a damsel that is a virgin, which is not betrothed, and lay hold on her, and lie with her, and they be found, then the man that lay with her shall give unto the damsel's father fifty shekels of silver, and she shall be his wife; because he hath humbled her, he may not put her away all his days." Of course, they don't actually pay the silver shekels, because that would be inconvenient, but I guess the inconvenience factor isn't enough to not force a child into a situation where the man who raped her once gets to do so as often as he likes. So it's not like Christians can legitimately claim the moral high ground on this one.

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  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday November 13 2018, @10:16PM

    by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday November 13 2018, @10:16PM (#761470)

    Where did Christians come into this? There are atheists in the crowd here you know.

  • (Score: 2) by Phoenix666 on Tuesday November 13 2018, @10:31PM (1 child)

    by Phoenix666 (552) on Tuesday November 13 2018, @10:31PM (#761482) Journal

    That is also appalling. I have never heard of that, but it is repugnant.

    See, oh Muslims of the world? Someone pointed out that child marriage is happening among American Christians today, and we Christians can say yeah that's gross and still not jihad on anyone.

    That is how it is done by civilized people in free societies. Chew, and digest.

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    • (Score: 4, Insightful) by Thexalon on Wednesday November 14 2018, @12:15AM

      by Thexalon (636) on Wednesday November 14 2018, @12:15AM (#761522)

      See, oh Muslims of the world? Someone pointed out that child marriage is happening among American Christians today, and we Christians can say yeah that's gross and still not jihad on anyone.

      I don't think you have to tell them that: As much as you hate folks like ISIS, there are lots of Muslims that hate them far more, which is the reason they've fought them and are on their way to wiping ISIS off the map.

      It is strange, though, how the US government has repeatedly fought on behalf of the Saudis when the Saudis are the government sponsoring more Islam-motivated terrorism than just about anyone else.

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  • (Score: 1) by khallow on Wednesday November 14 2018, @08:31AM (1 child)

    by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Wednesday November 14 2018, @08:31AM (#761658) Journal

    It's also worth mentioning that however icky all of this is, child marriage is happening among American Christians today [theguardian.com].

    So if "American Christians" do it, that makes child marriage ok? What exactly is the point of "but group X does it too" (particularly when group X doesn't actually do it)?

    • (Score: 2) by Thexalon on Wednesday November 14 2018, @05:47PM

      by Thexalon (636) on Wednesday November 14 2018, @05:47PM (#761810)

      Some guy once said something about not focusing on the speck in someone else's eye while ignoring the plank in your own eye. Given that a lot of the anti-Muslim hate is coming from conservative Christians, them hating modern Muslims because Mohammed married a child 1400 years ago (as was apparently normal at the time), while at the same time making themselves out to be all holier-than-thou because they're doing the exact thing right now (which is definitely not normal), is more than a bit hypocritical.

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  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday November 14 2018, @10:03AM

    by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday November 14 2018, @10:03AM (#761679)

    What ever happened to MikeUSA? Did he actually try the fifty shekels thing, and get shot dead?