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The hits just keep coming for the various Defenders series. Per Deadline Hollywood, Netflix announced this evening that it has canceled Daredevil, just weeks after the show concluded its critically acclaimed third season. This news shouldn't be too surprising, but this one is a particularly tough blow for fans.
Clearly Netflix is cleaning house, since this follows surprise cancellations in October of Iron Fist and Luke Cage. That just leaves Jessica Jones and The Punisher on Netflex's[sic] roster of Defenders. Both have new seasons in the pipeline that are currently slated to air on Netflix as planned, according to Deadline's sources. But they will, in all likelihood, be on the chopping block eventually as well.
Marvel/Disney may be planning to revive the Defender series on its upcoming streaming service.
(Score: 4, Insightful) by Runaway1956 on Friday November 30 2018, @06:38PM (7 children)
Did any real people die in this bloodbath? Were any children consumed? Were any puppies kicked?
Abortion is the number one killed of children in the United States.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday November 30 2018, @07:16PM
I haven't heard about any children's dying in this process, but I have solid information from an anonymous source who might or might not have been associated with the decisions that two puppies were used as soccer balls during the decision making process.
(Score: 2, Funny) by Anonymous Coward on Friday November 30 2018, @07:25PM (4 children)
In the age of hyperbole THIS is where you want to make your stand? Figures
(Score: 3, Funny) by Runaway1956 on Friday November 30 2018, @08:17PM (1 child)
But - the puppies!
Abortion is the number one killed of children in the United States.
(Score: 1, Touché) by Anonymous Coward on Friday November 30 2018, @08:45PM
We're talking about the Defender series here, not John Wick :P
(Score: 5, Insightful) by bob_super on Friday November 30 2018, @08:18PM (1 child)
The only True Heroic Defenders are the brave American soldiers who protect our borders from the Invading Hordes of Central Americans from ISIS, and Canadians with no connections to Russia !
(Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday December 01 2018, @07:51PM
you mean provide logistical support for ice who just lets them in and gives them free healthcare and school at the dumb ass taxpayers' expense?
(Score: 3, Interesting) by JoeMerchant on Friday November 30 2018, @11:20PM
I'll share why we quit watching Daredevil after about 1.2 seasons: it was unpleasantly violent and brutal. We liked the characters, we liked the storyline, the acting and production quality were excellent, the high quantity of on screen brutality and violence was simply unpleasant to watch.
While we're on Netflix, I'll throw in a random plug for Norway's SlowTV - the Bergen train is the classic, but the Telemark boatride has a whole other level of cultural edutainment thrown in. The knitting competition was a little weird, and the poetry during the fireplace was a lot weird, but, overall it's a whole different kind of video entertainment - like casual gaming, you don't feel bad nor miss too much if you step away for a few minutes, or hours - and when you do, then you have an excuse to watch it again ;-)
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(Score: 2) by takyon on Friday November 30 2018, @06:42PM (3 children)
Disney may have the right to stop Netflix from producing more seasons, but do they have the right to continue the show with the same actors, etc. without agreement from Netflix?
Unless by "revive", you meant "reboot". In which case, good luck with that.
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(Score: 3, Interesting) by RamiK on Friday November 30 2018, @07:46PM (2 children)
They don't need to succeed every time or even the majority of times. As long as they're sufficiently dumping old IP that gives almost nothing to the authors since the old licenses didn't account for any new media, they're setting the market value for new IP, actors, camera crew, game developer studios, the guy taking lunch orders, etc...
It's Music Industry 101.
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(Score: 2) by edIII on Friday November 30 2018, @08:34PM (1 child)
Doubt it will work. I know they redid Batman and Superman a bunch of times, but that was DC, which hasn't been all that great. These are Marvel characters, and somewhat intertwined with the movies too. I honestly don't see you replacing those actors with anybody better, and I don't see current fans attaching to the reboot either. Dare Devil was done pretty well, but The Punisher knocked it out the park.
Actors and Actresses for The Punisher, Dare Devil, Luke Cage, and Jessica Jones, are very good. The Iron Fist never seemed that great to me. This sounds like the death knell for Marvel television, if they can't get the right actors to play the part. Would you put up with a reboot of the Avengers with different actors? Guardians of the Galaxy?
I'll pass on the reboots. New Marvel stuff I'll give a chance too, but this is Disney. I can see them fucking it up real good trying to make it for children. The Punisher was not for kids :)
Technically, lunchtime is at any moment. It's just a wave function.
(Score: 2) by RamiK on Friday November 30 2018, @11:42PM
They can write a better plot... Interwove different series... Make it appeal to a different audience... It's not Shakespeare. Most capable actors would do given the right circumstances and directing.
There's no denying that, demographically, revenge plays typically target young adults. While I enjoy the best of them and consider them my favorite genre, the vast majority suffer from cringe worthy sloppy writing that fails to deliver charterer development and plot.
Rogue One proved they can pull it off. And although the performance was absolutely abysmal, approving the character of Kylo Ren shows they're far more open to non-cartoonish villains and heroes than people give them credit.
Honestly everyone just got better at managing diverse IP and the marketing people understand trying to force franchises the wrong way will hurt the sequels, and TV series, and merchandises... Well, at least something good came out of social networks.
Overall, I still feel they don't have to do to much to get something half decent and even that would be good enough for them when it come to the "side" IP.
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(Score: 1, Disagree) by ensigndna on Friday November 30 2018, @07:14PM (14 children)
I tried watching the shows, but they sucked so bad it was painful to get through a single episode let alone season after season of that garbage.
(Score: 0, Flamebait) by Ethanol-fueled on Friday November 30 2018, @07:53PM (12 children)
Of course they keep the blatant race-mixing propaganda.
(Score: 3, Touché) by Anonymous Coward on Friday November 30 2018, @08:07PM (7 children)
You guys are so used to your strait white male dominated universe in tv and movies that when you watch something with a mix of race, gender and sexual orientation more closely matching the reality of the real world, you genuinely feel that said strait while males are grossly underrepresented, even intentionnaly suppressed.
(Score: 4, Insightful) by bob_super on Friday November 30 2018, @08:29PM (5 children)
Some people do not perceive the reality of the big city world.
Others notice that fashionable social topics are being pushed forward, partly because old topics have been done to death, and interpret it as an agenda, when it's more accurately trying to add depth without rehashing the same plot points (historically white-centric), and catering to the urban public most people (and show makers) belong to.
(Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Friday November 30 2018, @11:11PM (4 children)
If Spiderman means less to you because his skin tone changed or Thor stopped being interesting to you because the character had boobs for a bit, then I hate to break it to you but you are racist and sexist.
We're all human beings, and if you can't identify with someone saving people from a fire or stopping a mass murderer because the hero doesn't have a white dick... you have a problem.
Luke Cage and Black Panther need to have black skin because the character's identity is tied into dark-skinned heritage. And Superman, Batman, Spiderman, and Iron Man have to be men because it's right in the character name. But otherwise, it doesn't matter. I don't give a damn if Hulk is Latino, Flash is Arabic, Hellboy is Filipino, or Colossus is gay.
(Score: 0, Troll) by Ethanol-fueled on Friday November 30 2018, @11:26PM (1 child)
Yikes. Granting a Latino the powers of the Hulk is like feeding a Native American booze.
He runs halfway around the world in 5 seconds just to shit on Ukranian prostitutes.
The only Filipino worthy of being Hellboy is Rodruigo Duterte, all others need not apply.
No. Colossus must never be gay. How about Aquaman?
(Score: 2, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Friday November 30 2018, @11:53PM
Did you just have a bit of a closet freak out there? lol
(Score: 4, Insightful) by bob_super on Saturday December 01 2018, @12:01AM
I'm pretty sure that most people would agree that there are lots of "you" out there with some fucked-up priorities.
(Score: 1, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Monday December 03 2018, @08:30PM
You talk the talk but be honest.
Tell me last time you were inside a black man's house? Maybe you'll surprise me.
It's not the stated goals of SJWs that bother me, it's the trolls behind the wheel. I went to Evergreen State College years ago. I noticed there was a small group of unreasonable, angry, counter-productive, authoritarian quasi activists on campus. Constantly protesting and preaching right on campus... to?
Well nobody, because being the most liberal college in the country. We already believed in all the things these guys pretended to care about, just we were less rabid and concerned mostly with studying instead of sit-in, walk-outs, shout downs and whatever else they spent the majority of their time organizing to get in the way of serious students.
A few graduating classes later the small ultra-liberal campus is rioting because "homework is racist" (really). I knew it was coming and I shared my weariness of SJW politics with other liberal friends in the meantime. Usually other liberals had a hard time understanding how I could be so against people who appeared to be on "my side" up until the actual rioting started. My college is now dead, hardly anyone goes there. Thankfully I'm far enough out of college that it's ok to drop the name of my college off my resume to save space but the name is toxic. Good work, maybe the most accessible four year college in the country is ruined, one of the few places that someone with no money and bad scores could get their foot in the door, put in the work, walk away with a degree and change their life.
I know these people well enough to know that it was their plan to use outrage as advertising. It was their plan to antagonize people with character changes to drum up interest, they assumed most of the outrage on the internet was real but actually nobody cares, nobody is interest the anger is mostly russian trolls, old people, and other budding career activists all of who don't actually consume much of this sort of media.
I tell you what, remember when they killed superman and there was a black superman? How upset were people... about him being black? Literally fucking nobody. The only gripes were that they killed superman, replaced him with like 6 people and we all knew he would be back in a year or two somehow.
What about black panther? Super successful. Woman thor? Not so much. I'll let you think about the differences.
(Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday December 01 2018, @07:57PM
are you really that fucking stupid? netflix crams their shows with anti-white, anti natural human/family values propaganda and it has nothing to do with them trying to show a more realistic or fairer world. It is a psyop. what kind of stupid bitch pays netflix anyways?
(Score: 1, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Friday November 30 2018, @08:30PM
Cut back on the booze and stupidity. Maybe you can grow out of your vile racism, and become a decent person. We already have far too many monsters.
(Score: 5, Insightful) by edIII on Friday November 30 2018, @08:41PM (2 children)
LOL! But... that only applies to men right? I've noticed with most White Supremacist assholes, now, and in history, they had no problems at all getting themselves some hot chocolate. That was perfectly okay, as long as you keep it hidden right? Or do we not talk about that? Like how Benjamin Franklin never fathered any mix-race babies right?
It's not propaganda. There is plenty of race-mixing going on, that needs no propaganda to help it. Hot interracial porn anyone?
You think it's an agenda to change the way we think, when it's just really more accurate representation of reality. Guys like you are sad as fuck, and quite often hypocrites too.
Technically, lunchtime is at any moment. It's just a wave function.
(Score: 1) by Ethanol-fueled on Friday November 30 2018, @09:40PM (1 child)
There is plenty of race-mixing going on and of course I would burn the coal given the opportunity. But isn't it funny how, when it happens on TV and in movies and magazines, it's always a Black man with a White woman? And not those good looking lighter-than-a-paper-bag Blacks, not even Eithiopoid East-Africans; it's always the biggest, Blackest, monkiest-looking ones. Marcellus Wallace looking motherfuckers.
(Score: 1) by deimtee on Saturday December 01 2018, @01:36AM
It is the only combo they can use that is both socially acceptable and commercially viable.
Think about how much SJWs would go off if you had a 'strong white man' dominating a black woman. You wouldn't be able to hear the soundtrack over the wailing and gnashing of teeth.
On the other hand, if you have a 'strong black woman' dominating a white man, he looks weak as piss, audiences don't like it, and the show fails. You might be able to do this as a comedy if he gets all the funny lines, but not as drama.
It is possible that you could try and have two equal characters, but that is very difficult to do well. Unless they are identical, in any given situation one or the other will have a more relevant skill set and be dominant. It also requires two actors who are willing to be equal stars, otherwise the 'top biller' will end up with more and better lines.
No problem is insoluble, but at Ksp = 2.943×10−25 Mercury Sulphide comes close.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday December 01 2018, @06:01PM
Agreed. All those shows were awful, and I could not get through a single season. In fact I have been wanting to cancel Netflix for over a year now as anything good that I enjoy cannot be foudn there any more, but the wife still watches the garbage on their so I lose for now.
(Score: 5, Interesting) by fyngyrz on Friday November 30 2018, @07:15PM (16 children)
Surprised? I am not surprised; they were both terrible.
Iron Fist featured someone who couldn't make a good decision under almost any circumstances as the "hero", with a premium put on angst, which made it very difficult to watch. Every episode, I caught myself thinking "what an idiot" about the hero. That's not how you create the image of a hero in someone's mind. Eventually, we (the SO and I) just stopped watching.
Luke Cage featured a decided and concentrated push of toxic social context: incredibly bad music, near-overwhelming levels of ebonic ghetto-speak, and a "hero" who acted like a dimwit. It was very clear this show was aimed at the lower socio-economic levels, and used these things to try to resonate with them. Unfortunately, it also encourages them to continue in this vein. Not only am I unimpressed with the person of the hero, I am outright offended by the implicit and obvious support of lowest common denominator cultural values. I can't say I'm displeased to see the approach fail, either.
Jessica Jones, for one, has been a lot more interesting, a lot less angsty, and (mostly) features people who speak at least decent English and reason as if they had graduated (at least) high school. And it's still up there. Who knew that fans of comics (of which I am most definitely one, I think they're often an art form) and hero-centric entertainment might actually lean towards better plotting and hero characterizations that didn't cast them as dumbasses, illiterates, and cluetards. Huh.
I can almost hear people thinking "he doesn't like black heroes." Nope. You want an example of some pretty good work in the black hero area? Easy: Black Panther. The hero speaks in an educated and admirable manner, the society he comes from and is placed in context with is very much high end for the most part (stupid physical battles for kingship excepted, groan), the general idea is uplifting in almost every way, and yes, I am definitely a fan.
Daredevil? Well, that one was really very good for the first couple of seasons, but the last time around, where for an entire season a supposedly intelligent and well-educated hero wallows deeply in self-pity, estranges his already-very-small circle of friends and supporters, and almost entirely fails to follow the premise that underlay the first two seasons (protecting the citizens from pretty much whatever he could manage, both as a lawyer and in the person of Daredevil)... it was pretty bad. Again, no surprise here. We barely managed to watch the season through, and previously, we'd been excited to see every episode of the show.
This isn't like Firefly, where an arguably excellent series that was going along quite well got the axe and that was sad; this is just bad seasons coming home to roost. Of course these things will be cancelled. If they suck, they can't make money; and if they can't make money, they're gone.
(Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Friday November 30 2018, @08:23PM (2 children)
There is no law of physics stating that an intelligent and well educated person must be rational, or even sane. We have some notable historical figures to consider. ₐₙ𝒹, ᵢ'ₘ ₙₒₜ ₑᵥₑₙ ₜₕᵢₙₖᵢₙ𝓰 ₐᵦₒᵤₜ ₐᵣᵢₛₜₐᵣ𝒸ₕᵤₛ ₕₑᵣₑ.
Abortion is the number one killed of children in the United States.
(Score: 3, Insightful) by fyngyrz on Friday November 30 2018, @08:36PM
I agree, but there'a pretty good rule of thumb that a rational character is more capable of evoking a simpatico reaction in a rational audience; I submit that the hero, at least, pretty much needs to do that, and particularly when said hero's been doing that previously and that's how the audience thinks of them.
Jessica Jones is pretty twisted; but as she's been that way from day one, I find it pretty easy to accept. It doesn't make her prone to stupidity all that often in the storyline, which I find more tolerable than fictional depictions of smart people consistently doing dumb things (or dumb people consistently doing dumb things, for that matter.)
(Score: 2) by maxwell demon on Friday November 30 2018, @10:12PM
On the other hand, most of reality wouldn't work at all as movie.
The Tao of math: The numbers you can count are not the real numbers.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday November 30 2018, @08:43PM
I thought it was just me. I just keep finding reasons to not get to finishing season 3.
(Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Friday November 30 2018, @08:43PM (4 children)
Iron Fist: I didn't even bother watching it.
Luke Cage: Honestly even with your Black Panther disclaimer you come off pretty biased. I wouldn't quite say racist though you bump up to those edges, more like cultural bias. The show is set in an urban ghetto type neighborhood and addresses lots of issues around there. I felt like it promoted better values while addressing the cultural reality. Most likely this is just an uncomfortable reality and your narrow cultural view has you labeling it "It was very clear this show was aimed at the lower socio-economic levels, and used these things to try to resonate with them." Basically it appeals to a different cultural context than your own so you shit on it while praising Jessica Jones. I liked JJ a little more than LC but not by that much, they are pretty similar and JJ has TONS of angst as it is baked into her very character. So you like Black Panther because it is more aristocratic, a point made quite clear by your dismissal of the leadership fight which has a lot of cultural background and specific value in that context.
Jessica Jones: super angsty, but at least she is a PI which much better fits the hero ideal. She has her own stupidity with trying to do everything herself, but hey that REALLY fits the "individual responsibility" tropes that go around here.
Daredevil: you complain about a lack of character development, then get angry that they do character development that you just don't personally like? Gee, a more realistic approach to heroes and the emotional trauma they go through doesn't fit the standard comic book hero ideal.
Of course you like Firefly. Everyone does, but given your responses here I am SO NOT SURPRISED to see you like the embodiment of Libertarian Space Opera.
I don't think you're racist so don't get bent out of shape, but I do think your opinions are based on a pretty narrow slice of culture and you do have bias against cultures that don't fit the western ideal. I will applaud Netflix for attempting a more realistic set of Hero series and delving into the darker aspects of "beating up bad guys". I think it is a good thing they are canceling the shows before they collapse on their own, and the dark angsty hero concept is definitely being overloaded.
(Score: 5, Insightful) by fyngyrz on Friday November 30 2018, @09:17PM (3 children)
That is precisely correct. I am culturally biased. In favor of education, communication, common ground, and rational behavior. I'm about as far from racist as you can get - I'm perfectly comfortable with people regardless of their race. I am considerably less comfortable with people who embrace self-destructive behaviors, values, and related mindsets. Again, regardless of their race.
FYI, I spent many years growing up just a few blocks north of Harlem, in NYC. My (present) cultural context, as you put it, is one that puts that garbage as far behind me as I can get it — because it sucked. Profoundly. I don't encourage it, lionize it, or promote it and I'm very comfortable speaking out against it. Again, because it sucked. I was there. I'm not guessing. I know.
Culture is not automatically of value just because it's culture. It's valuable when it advances the individual, the local group, the people at large. Small cliques that self-isolate within the larger context are bad. Pretty much uniformly so.
Absolutely wrong. Feel free to try again.
What happened to those shows wasn't character development. That was character erosion.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday December 01 2018, @12:02AM (2 children)
Now you gone done it!
I met someone else who said it was a "cultural" thing, but that is basically code for racism these days. Sorry to break it to ya, but you're lumping a population of over 100k into one box of gangs/violence. That is almost THE definition of racism, but at least you supposedly don't go for the genetic racism, just the cultural.
Yeah, little of that to be found in any of the shows, and Luke Cage wasn't much different. Your cultural bias is the first extension of racism, just think about how you are saying no one in Harlem has your quoted traits. That is fucked up pal.
So you're just a prejudiced asshole who would judge someone severely for using a double negative or any other indicator for "lacks education". I didn't see any glorification of bad values, maybe you just didn't watch the show through to the end and made some assumptions?
(Score: 3, Interesting) by fyngyrz on Saturday December 01 2018, @06:14PM (1 child)
No. I'm lumping one culture - the culture in harlem and spanish harlem I grew up with - into a "holy shit, this was a horribly violent, ignorant and vicious environment" box, because it was, regardless of the exceptions - including me - who lived there, or the exceptional cultural elements.
The jazz and blues prevalent there were great, for instance, and both figured prominently once you managed to get in the door and off the street. One of the reasons I was so thoroughly exposed to the problems I'm talking about was because I insisted on going to see those things. Should I have hidden inside instead, out of "respect" (actually fear) for the dominant street culture there? Or was I right to think it should be okay for me to go watch Billy Cobham?
The culture - not the exceptions to it, but the overall culture of violence and ignorance and hostility - was massively toxic and dangerous. Existence on the street was a continuous experience of being challenged, threatened, attacked, stolen from, catcalled and so forth. The slang, the things that grew from it like "cap that bitch", "rappers" shooting each other and so on, all that grew from that toxic set of underpinnings.
The problems didn't arise because the majority of those people were black, or of Hispanic descent; they arose because the people in the area who owned the streets adopted horrible ideas and then acted on them; this is what the kids saw and it made for a very strong influence on them, enough to keep the situation constantly bad. Our history is replete with examples of individuals who lifted themselves up out of that kind of area and abandoned those approaches to life. It's nothing to do with race. It has everything to do with deciding you're a good person, not a bloody thug. And deciding that means you're stepping away from the violence and related malfuckery (and there's a lot that's related) and becoming a positive influence on society. Insular preconceptions based on toxic cultural inertia work mightily against this, hence I object, strongly, to them. When the question comes down to do we want the nation to become more like the ghettos, or the ghettos more like the nation, I think the answer is obvious. Because I've lived there, and I evaluate the street mindset there as utterly unworthy of emulation.
That's absolutely ridiculous. Culture isn't race. Objecting to a culture isn't uncommon or unreasonable in and of itself. Do you object to a culture that forces women to cover their faces? How about one that cuts their clitoris off as a baby? If these kinds of things are okay with you (you're sick, but) I'm sure I could find something in some culture that would make you say "wow, that's a terrible cultural element, that should be disposed of." That's exactly what I'm saying. The things I've identified are toxic in my estimation, and consequently they should be disposed of. They have little or no merit in the larger culture they are embedded in, in fact are corrosive to it and harmful to people in general, and encouraging them for any reason is a terrible mistake.
I didn't say that. You're erecting a straw man. I said the culture there was toxic, by which I (obviously) meant that it had strong, in fact dominant, toxic elements. It was. That's a fact, not a comment on every individual living there. I go further in the same direction and state that a lot of what has grown out of those cultural elements is just as strong, and just as toxic, and just as unworthy of any responsible citizen.
Sigh. We all are prejudiced against the things we find unacceptable. We have quite literally taken a stand against them in our minds. The distinction of being an "asshole" in that regard pretty much depends on what those things are. I find interpersonal violence, threats, and hobbling communication to be unacceptable. Any culture (cultural element) that embraces these things within the containing meta-culture, I'm going to take a stand against. If that makes me an "asshole" in your eyes, I can live with that.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday December 01 2018, @08:05PM
no. no. no. having standards is morally wrong. you're supposed to embrace toxic propaganda and inferior humans into your line. how else will our masters continue diluting us into a gelatinous pool of retarded self destruction.
(Score: 2) by edIII on Friday November 30 2018, @08:55PM (3 children)
I agree with you, mostly. Iron Fist was a disaster because that kid doesn't represent, in any way, shape, or form, with is behavior, a kung fu master. In one scene he is meditating to restore his chi, and in another he acts like the biggest fucking child. I can't reconcile the two, and he is wholly unbelievable as a person who mastered Shaolin-like skills. I can believe he is a young punk with decent martial arts skills, but not a master. Not somebody that has achieved higher levels as is implied by his powers.
Dare Devil, I take a little issue with. I think his falling down in the last season was hard to watch, but he did lose a lot. It made sense to me that he became lost. Yeah, it was a drama season that departed from the action of the first ones. I would still like to see the next one, and it could be just as good as the first two seasons.
Luke Cage, I'm not sure where you are coming from. Either way, it wasn't all that great, although I think the actor did just fine as far as character development goes. He's not a dimwit exactly either.
Noticeably absent from this conversation is The Punisher. I thought it was nothing short of excellent myself. Hope that stays around, although I don't know how much darker it could get, or if that guy could continue to survive the punishment.
Technically, lunchtime is at any moment. It's just a wave function.
(Score: 2) by fyngyrz on Friday November 30 2018, @09:22PM
I haven't watched that one yet, so had nothing to say either way. :)
That seems like a valid way to look at it, if you see that kind of behavior as a reasonable construction of drama, rather than weak character, as I see it; but just as a practical matter, that's going against the expectations of the viewers of the previous seasons. The people who loved it in season one and two aren't sure to overlap well with those who would love season three. And my guess is, they didn't.
(Score: 2) by fyngyrz on Friday November 30 2018, @09:26PM
Oh yes, that too. :)
(Score: 3, Insightful) by rleigh on Friday November 30 2018, @09:30PM
I put Iron Fist's failure down to the writers. The writing was terrible. It started with an interesting premise, but it quickly fizzled out. It's also bit tragic when a minor character (the kung fu girl, whatever her name was), is vastly more interesting than the protagonist! Not only was the writing for her much better, she was a better actress and better at martial arts! Sad. It's like the writers set this up to fail from the start.
(Score: 2) by bobthecimmerian on Friday November 30 2018, @11:24PM
Just my own thoughts, for fun:
Iron Fist: agreed. They have a central contradiction that they just can't get past, a person so unbelievably disciplined as to be the greatest fighter of his generation and maybe in the world has to go through emotional upheaval when returning home after 20 years. I don't know how the character ever worked in the comics if he had the same issues. One thing that did impress me about the first season was the character arcs for other people in the series. I liked everyone in Iron Fist season one except the main character - and that was the writers' fault, not the actor's fault.
Luke Cage: musical tastes vary, so all of your complaints there are unfair. A few of the musical acts appealed to me, and I was blown away by Christone Ingram in the second season. And the hero was not a dimwit. He's a black man that has already been imprisoned and tortured for crimes he didn't commit (spoilers, sorry), it's no wonder he doesn't want to stand up and thrust out his chest like Superman and do deeds in the light of day. That's not to say it was a good show, just that it was mediocre and not garbage.
Jessica Jones: you seem to have higher regard for that, and I don't understand how or why. It's more angsty, she's an asshole to everyone. That may be fair because of what she went through, but she's got more angst than Iron Fist.
Daredevil: I disagree with your review entirely. In the last season he's cut himself off from the rest of the world because he simultaneously thinks that he doesn't want to be Murdoch anymore while he's thinking that maybe Punisher was right and he should have just killed people when he had the chance. I thought that was fine. I found the origin story of Bullseye implausible and thought the pacing of the season was too slow, so I stopped watching.
To me the big weakness of all the series was The Hand, which were just too generic to be interesting. Stick, Electra, and the big threat in The Defenders were all especially bad. They needed some other villain. With the benefit of hindsight, it should have been Kingpin and a few super powered henchmen. Kingpin was the most interesting villain in any of their series.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday December 02 2018, @07:09AM (1 child)
While it has a variety of stupidness forwarding the plot, none of the characters are OUTRIGHT stupid, although like most humans they sometimes make stupid choices whether due to character flaws, hubris, or choosing what seemed like the obvious choice at the time.
The best part about it is the hero doesn't always win. Innocent people get caught in the crossfire. People redeem and fall to the darkness. It's got a little bit of everything, and while it's primarily black focused, there is actual diversity in the background characters, unlike some shows where it tends to be all black or all white casting, or ignores minority demographics that aren't white or black.
Z Nation on SyFy is another show that has done truly excellent diverse casting, both of background and speaking characters.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday December 02 2018, @07:13AM
And I mean who doesn't love a leprechaun supervillain?
(Score: 3, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Friday November 30 2018, @07:26PM (8 children)
As pointed out in other comments and if you do some research, you can confirm indeed it is Disney/ABC who is cleaning out their competition of Marvel series. The only reason Jessica Jones and Punisher have some episodes left is they were in production before Disney/Abc changed decided to take back their property. Netflix doesn't really have much say in the matter.
I am not a journalist, I did not go to school for writing, but this is some of the shoddiest writing and journalism there is by ArsTechnica when they include a single line describing the situation as it being Netflix who wants these actions to occur.
(Score: 2, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Friday November 30 2018, @07:58PM (5 children)
Correct.
I and wife are both “theater” people. Tech and writer Looking at what these shows show was good quality. 13hr movie. Long arc planned and shows support the long goal. My wife went to them thing comic book crap... then was saw the good under pinning. Look to dr who or humans other English base shows show thus same long arc planning. Though current season dr who is crap by losing Davis. Bayalon 5 most dislike is another long arc show. It hard do that in the epilogic format. It is why quality was spotty.
Disney not care about quality any more. It is getting the cash out of purchase. Quaility or fans be damn. They may to place the actors under contract to do more shows but this all start to fall a part when the show runner for these shows left and joined Warner Brothers to try to DC out of its B movie quiality of shows.
In the end Disney is helping Wagner Brothers to support crap. I think the Thor actor is in his last movie with Averages 4, mainly because marvel near got to humanize the god. Thor plays well with hulk and others sincenear can carry a show by themselves. That same two sides of coin is in daredevil and me big. Even if they do not interact it shows the human and Everyman in the strucrugl. Damn Disney for killing this shows and hope the showed in the time of crap in TV. Like Agents of SHEILD
(Score: 2) by BananaPhone on Friday November 30 2018, @08:07PM (2 children)
Your ideas are informative but damn you spelling is atrocious to the point where it distracts from the message you are trying to convey.
(Score: 5, Touché) by nitehawk214 on Friday November 30 2018, @08:46PM
Intentional or not, "Averages 4" is hilarious.
"Don't you ever miss the days when you used to be nostalgic?" -Loiosh
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday December 01 2018, @03:39AM
... your spelling ...
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday November 30 2018, @08:07PM (1 child)
Does your comment contain intentional spelling and grammar mistakes as some kind of meta humor, is English not your first language, or do you just not care?
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday November 30 2018, @08:44PM
We know which one is the tech and which one is the writer, though.
(Score: 2) by BananaPhone on Friday November 30 2018, @08:18PM
I've read in many places that Netflix has the contractual rights to make more Marvel-based shows.
I suspect, however, other things comes into play where it become too expensive to make more shows.
E.g.
-How long can Netflix show past seasons?
e.g.: 2 years after they stop making shows?
-How much do the actors want for compensation?
Each season is said the contracts are negotiated as if each season was a long movie, not a TV series.
-It is said that for each season, Netflix must negotiate with Marvel/Disney for a license.
Imagine if the more successful the Netflix show is, the more valuable the license is.
The better the show, the more money Marvel/Disney wants.
(PS: I know this conflicts with my first line but I have seen both sides mentioned)
No wonder they pulled the plug.
(Score: 1) by nitehawk214 on Friday November 30 2018, @08:40PM
I thought Ars was just another news aggregatgor. Their "articles" usually contain just as much content as the summary does here, if even that much.
"Don't you ever miss the days when you used to be nostalgic?" -Loiosh
(Score: 3, Insightful) by ilPapa on Friday November 30 2018, @08:13PM (1 child)
Daredevil was pretty much average for a Marvel series, but Vincent D'Onofrio's Kingpin really put the show over. I'm gonna miss him.
Also, the fight scenes were done with practical stunts and real style, which I like.
You are still welcome on my lawn.
(Score: 2) by fyngyrz on Friday November 30 2018, @09:28PM
He was great.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday November 30 2018, @11:28PM (1 child)
Time to cancel.
(Score: 2) by bob_super on Saturday December 01 2018, @12:07AM
"Really? How sad to see you go. Do you know that you will soon find most of your favorite characters on the brand-new Disney online offering?"
-- tWDC's CEO, gently stroking a fluffy white cat
Believe me when I say Netflix is doomed...
(Score: 2) by Gaaark on Saturday December 01 2018, @01:13AM (1 child)
were ANY of them as good as Firefly?
Cancel shite... i don't care.
DON'T bring back Firefly? ARE YOU FECKING STUPID?!?
--- Please remind me if I haven't been civil to you: I'm channeling MDC. ---Gaaark 2.0 ---
(Score: 2, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday December 01 2018, @01:59AM
I think it hit too close to home, very anti-establishment, promoting law breaking while having high(ish) moral standards? Oh noes, definitely not fit for general society!