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https://www.cbc.ca/news/entertainment/cbc-baby-its-cold-reinstate-1.4941087
So the loud minority is starting to be drowned out by the usually silent majority: good for all those who have brains.
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So radio stations are banning "Baby, it's cold outside" because there are too many losers in the world.
My. God., People. Are. Stupid.
It's a really nice Christmas song about a girl wanting to stay with her man for....'cuddles', but she can't because society would call her a 'whore/slut' if she did.
She is wrestling with WANTING to stay but 'having' to leave because society is filled with losers.
Look:
"I really can't stay - Baby it's cold outside
I've got to go away - Baby it's cold outside
This evening has been - Been hoping that you'd drop in
So very nice - I'll hold your hands, they're just like ice
My mother will start to worry - Beautiful, what's your hurry
My father will be pacing the floor - Listen to the fireplace roar
So really I'd better scurry - Beautiful, please don't hurry
Well Maybe just a half a drink more - Put some records on while I pour
The neighbors might think - Baby, it's bad out there
Say, what's in this drink - No cabs to be had out there
I wish I knew how - Your eyes are like starlight now
To break this spell - I'll take your hat, your hair looks swell
I ought to say no, no, no, sir - Mind if I move a little closer
At least I'm gonna say that I tried - What's the sense in hurting my pride
I really can't stay - Baby don't hold out
Ahh, but it's cold outside
C'mon baby
I simply must go - Baby, it's cold outside
The answer is no - Ooh baby, it's cold outside
This welcome has been - I'm lucky that you dropped in
So nice and warm -- Look out the window at that storm
My sister will be suspicious - Man, your lips look so delicious
My brother will be there at the door - Waves upon a tropical shore
My maiden aunt's mind is vicious - Gosh your lips look delicious
Well maybe just a cigarette more - Never such a blizzard before
I've got to get home - Oh, baby, you'll freeze out there
Say, lend me your coat - It's up to your knees out there
You've really been grand - Your eyes are like starlight now
But don't you see - How can you do this thing to me
There's bound to be talk tomorrow - Making my life long sorrow
At least there will be plenty implied - If you caught pneumonia and died
I really can't stay - Get over that old out
Ahh, but it's cold outside
Baby it's cold outside"
Read it!
There are no rape drugs in her drink: she's making an excuse for not leaving, just like in the lines:
"But don't you see
There's bound to be talk tomorrow
At least there will be plenty implied
I really can't stay"
She wants to stay, but feels she can't.
Only stupid people could object to this song.
Stupid, stupid, stupid, stupid, stupid, stupid, stupid people.
My. God.
(Score: 2) by Gaaark on Wednesday December 05 2018, @11:49PM (7 children)
That only works if you take a couple lines out by themselves and read them: if you look at the entire song it is clear she's just making excuses....she SHOULD leave because "at least three will be plenty implied" that she's "not a GOOD girl", but...
..SHE does NOT want to leave, hence excuse after excuse.
Whether they are just having coffee or it is leading to sex, SHE WANTS TO STAY, but she is also aware of the stigma of staying (even if NOTHING happens but they have coffee and conversation).
--- Please remind me if I haven't been civil to you: I'm channeling MDC. ---Gaaark 2.0 ---
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday December 06 2018, @12:08AM (6 children)
Assuming the context you are placing on it:
What if those excuses are actually reasons?
The man may not care about the social repercussions of her actions, but she is clearly considering them. Is it right for the man to deny her decision just because he knows what she "really wants"?
(Score: 3, Informative) by Gaaark on Thursday December 06 2018, @12:27AM (4 children)
So your saying she needs HIM to tell her what is what?
SHE is making excuses NOT to leave, over and over.
She is clearly enjoying herself: she SAY so.
She could just leave, but then makes an excuse NOT to...a couple times.
HE doesn't want her to leave, but clearly SHE doesn't either or she would.
"I ought to say no, no, no, sir
At least I'm gonna say that I tried"
Or...just leave?....OR, maybe she likes him and doesn't want to: she only even thinks about leaving because she's worried about her rep, but CLEARLY she is thinking about saying "Feck it" to her rep, or she would just. leave.
--- Please remind me if I haven't been civil to you: I'm channeling MDC. ---Gaaark 2.0 ---
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday December 06 2018, @12:39AM (3 children)
I was the original AC not the one you just responded to. I tried to make it clear that it is a contextual issue, so your clarification of "context" is pointless. I would say just let people's hysteria work itself out, in this case you can make points for both contextual scenarios.
"or she would just. leave."
Sorry but no. Let me make it clear again, the context of the song seems to steer towards true romance, not some creepy date rape story. HOWEVER, from my own mother who was raped "a woman should just let it happen otherwise you might get murdered." My own mother explaining women's reality, and you have the gall to say "or she would just leave." There is way more to sexual assault than simple confusion and mixed signals.
So again, I take the positive contextual stance, especially after reading about the history of it; but I am capable of understanding why someone else might find it very disturbing. I think you should find a better hill to make your stand.
(Score: 3, Informative) by Gaaark on Thursday December 06 2018, @12:49AM (2 children)
I'm sorry for your mother, but context?
She says over and over she doesn't want to leave: she says she SHOULD but she's ENJOYING herself and the only thing giving her pause is her rep!
Nothing about "Get out of my way" or "Let go of me".
The context is they are enjoying each others company and they don't want to separate.
--- Please remind me if I haven't been civil to you: I'm channeling MDC. ---Gaaark 2.0 ---
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday December 06 2018, @02:56AM (1 child)
I already said I agree with that interpretation of the song, I was just offering alternative contexts that others might feel are valid.
Gaaark, you're going to find that many of the truths we cling to depend greatly on our own point of view.
You can be mad about people trying to censor things they find offensive, but honestly the conservative "right" have been doing this forever with their version of morality.
Want to protest? Gather a bunch of happy old couples and go dance to that song in a park, at least it will improve your marriage as opposed to spreading the counter outrage.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday December 06 2018, @01:55PM
Just wanted to acknowledge that before pointing out:
This is whataboutism. The charge of hypocrisy equally applies to the conservative right and to third wave capitalist feminism. One goes further right, then the other follows. Then the latter outdoes the former with right-wing reactionary politics, and the former follows. These are merely two different brands of right-wing authoritarianism (see Altemeyer) that differ only in their opinion of which gender should be denied the exercise of political power. Both of them are antidemocratic, and both of them must be challenged.
(Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday December 06 2018, @01:40AM
Anybody has the right to say what they want in a personal conversation, and there is no evidence the woman in this scenario is being detained with force.
Your questions get to the bottom of the hypocrisy in third wave feminism. There are many very good, objective reasons to simply never speak to somebody who may have been assigned the female gender at birth, especially if one does not have the wealth to afford a lawyer and an extended legal battle**. Feminists cannot want people who were assigned the male gender at birth to talk to people assigned the female gender at birth (regardless of capacity for pregnancy and childbirth*), otherwise they would not enact such draconian policies that define even speaking without being spoken to as a crime of sexual assault.
Let us not even get started on the inherent contradictions and craven fealty to patriarchal values and fascism revealed when feminists adopted "incel" as an accusation of essentially witchcraft.
* Aren't attempts by feminists to define a woman in terms of her body parts and practice gender essentialism sounding just a little like the bigotries that prompted the origins of second wave feminism? But, say the third wave feminists, we must define a woman in terms of her body parts, because how else will we apply our bigoted double-standard to a Canadian man who simply changes his legal gender marker without undergoing any other form of gender transition?
** Here too feminism shows that it is a movement that is not only bigoted but antidemocratic. It is no wonder that frat boys are undeterred by draconian policies on college campuses that are plainly in violation of Title IX. It is another way for the ruling elites to place the cost of their excesses on the backs of the working class.