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Journal by aristarchus

Yet another aristarchus submission has met it's appointed fate. Nothing surprising, but, there was a non-blank rationale field, highly unusual!

We're sorry, your submission "This online comic shows how pick-up artists morphed into the alt-right" was declined for the following reason:
All hail the Supreme Gentleman! -takyon

The editors felt it inappropriate for them to correct the issue themselves. Please feel free to correct the issue yourself and resubmit.

Of course, I think the entire point was that these are no Gentleman, and the Red Pillars need to get themselves over to The Art of Manliness website. And apparenty, this includes one of our more prolific editors? Cause for pause, Soylentils! What are we part of, here!

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  • (Score: 2) by Arik on Saturday January 19 2019, @05:13AM (11 children)

    by Arik (4543) on Saturday January 19 2019, @05:13AM (#788559) Journal
    I actually liked the linked article, though the sub could probably have added something a bit less light weight, maybe even tried to tie them together.
    --
    If laughter is the best medicine, who are the best doctors?
    • (Score: 3, Troll) by The Mighty Buzzard on Saturday January 19 2019, @05:31AM (10 children)

      by The Mighty Buzzard (18) Subscriber Badge <themightybuzzard@proton.me> on Saturday January 19 2019, @05:31AM (#788565) Homepage Journal

      Meh. Just more half-assed feminist propaganda. If they don't understand why men do and say the things they do, and they most certainly do not, they don't need to be opining on them. Either put the actual mental effort in or just pour yourself a big ole cup of STFU and go in the kitchen and make me a sammich.

      --
      My rights don't end where your fear begins.
      • (Score: 3, Insightful) by Arik on Saturday January 19 2019, @06:38AM (8 children)

        by Arik (4543) on Saturday January 19 2019, @06:38AM (#788578) Journal
        Congratulations good sir on sucking more mod points out of the system!

        "Just more half-assed feminist propaganda."

        I'm going to have to give it the benefit of the doubt and contradict you.

        It was at least 5/8 assed.

        "If they don't understand why men do and say the things they do, and they most certainly do not, they don't need to be opining on them."

        I'm not convinced the thesis here is entirely spurious.

        Oversimplified, underdocumented, ok.

        But PUA is a real thing, and there does exist a minority of men who portray these negative stereotypes, and it's far from implausible to me that there's a link between PUA and the alt-right.

        A funny cartoon asserting it exists is no substitute for journalism documenting that at least for 2 or 3 people, such a link exists, however.
        --
        If laughter is the best medicine, who are the best doctors?
        • (Score: 4, Insightful) by The Mighty Buzzard on Saturday January 19 2019, @07:11AM (4 children)

          by The Mighty Buzzard (18) Subscriber Badge <themightybuzzard@proton.me> on Saturday January 19 2019, @07:11AM (#788583) Homepage Journal

          Any links that might exist are no more relevant than the fact that both Mao and Gandhi enjoyed their atmospheric oxygen levels in the 20% neighborhood. This is some bottom of the barrel nonsense. If you're going to craft a fictional conspiracy, at least craft a good one.

          --
          My rights don't end where your fear begins.
        • (Score: 1, Interesting) by khallow on Sunday January 20 2019, @07:17PM (2 children)

          by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Sunday January 20 2019, @07:17PM (#789110) Journal

          But PUA is a real thing, and there does exist a minority of men who portray these negative stereotypes, and it's far from implausible to me that there's a link between PUA and the alt-right.

          How about feminism? I hear a lot of complaints from that quarter for decades about how there are no good men left. Sounds like they're turning up a bunch of PUAs consistently (here, I'll use the term "pick up artist" liberally as anyone who is willing to act to pursue women for short term sex rather than in the strict sense of following the rules of some book). Similarly, I gather the #metoo movement turned up a bunch of powerful male PUAs who were nominally pro-feminist in public, while far from it in private.

          If anything, hypocrisy and deception sounds like it's the fuel that PUAs run on. While that may be part of the alt-right thing, it's not going to generate any mileage sex-wise for the PUA since the movement is vastly unpopular among a large portion of women (supposedly only 20% [theatlantic.com] of the US alt-right is female, for example). Meanwhile aping popular women's belief systems and code words is far more likely to get somewhere. I doubt, for example, that any PUA of talent would be caught exhibiting "toxic masculinity" while on the prowl.

          As for the comic, well drawn but really tenuous connections even for a conspiracy yarn diagram. For example, I think there's a case to be made that feminism above has a problem with toxic masculinity too. Does that mean it's the same as the marketing of PUA techniques and the alt-right movement - the equating which the comic made? I guess I wouldn't be able to come up with a list of people who supposedly are feminist and alt-right at the same time (though others [medium.com] give it a try).

          I think what's going on is that the artist is intellectually trying to lump multiple bad ideas into one dung ball. It makes for a simpler worldview, but at a cost. I see a similar thing go on with the Khazar Jew troll. Jews are the old bad guys and Muslims are the new bad guys. So what is more natural than to suddenly discover that all those Jews are actually Muslim fake Jews? Mind you, it's complete bullshit, but at least the hating is simplified, turning an O(2) problem into a much simpler O(1) problem. /sarc

          • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday January 20 2019, @10:25PM (1 child)

            by Anonymous Coward on Sunday January 20 2019, @10:25PM (#789159)

            OMG!!! Khallow is one, too!!

            • (Score: 1) by khallow on Monday January 21 2019, @12:48AM

              by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Monday January 21 2019, @12:48AM (#789269) Journal
              And you're so surprised, right? For my next act, I'll be a Samurai Rabbit from the 18th century.
      • (Score: 2) by Freeman on Tuesday January 22 2019, @06:14PM

        by Freeman (732) Subscriber Badge on Tuesday January 22 2019, @06:14PM (#790180) Journal

        My wife and I have it down pat. She makes the sandwiches and I make the good food. She has learned to make some things, though. Even if it's Asian cuisine that I don't much care for.

        --
        Joshua 1:9 "Be strong and of a good courage; be not afraid, neither be thou dismayed: for the Lord thy God is with thee"
  • (Score: 3, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday January 19 2019, @06:07AM (21 children)

    by Anonymous Coward on Saturday January 19 2019, @06:07AM (#788572)

    The "crisis" with masculinity seems to be a Marxist dialectic. (Let me know if I'm doing this wrong. wswswswsws won't touch the subject even with a 38½" pole.) Thesis is patriarchy. Negation of the thesis is radical feminism. Gender equality lies in the negation of the negation.

    For consideration there is Bly's Iron John: A Book About Men [wikipedia.org], which is the polar opposite approach to the red pillar counterrevolution implied but never directly urged by Farrell's The Myth of Male Power (iirc). Bly might give us a glimpse of what the negation of the negation is, but Iron John is mythical in nature and can only be separated from the myth's heteronormativity with some contortions.

    Men must seek liberty from the straight-jacket of patriarchy. Heteronormativity is the force of patriarchy that, in the presence of radical feminism, sleepwalks into a contradiction: dependence upon that which was previously dependent on the former itself but had obtained independence. Gender relations under patriarchy assume a thoroughly co-dependent form of mutual abuse. Thus, heterosexual men must awaken from their co-dependent state and find a new mode of gender relations in which heterosexual men and women finally become independent equals.

    I think that the new propaganda about "toxic masculinity" presumes to talk about masculinity, but it only in fact talks about heterosexual men who have not yet found a way of gender relations with women as independent equals instead of as mutual codependents. It does not talk about masculinity itself (viz. the gender independent of sexuality) but an outmoded means of male heterosexuality.

    • (Score: 3, Interesting) by The Mighty Buzzard on Saturday January 19 2019, @07:18AM (20 children)

      by The Mighty Buzzard (18) Subscriber Badge <themightybuzzard@proton.me> on Saturday January 19 2019, @07:18AM (#788585) Homepage Journal

      Men and women are not equals in fact, only in law. Look the word equal up. It can not reasonably be applied to two groups with significant differences and those differences unarguably exist.

      --
      My rights don't end where your fear begins.
      • (Score: 3, Insightful) by aristarchus on Saturday January 19 2019, @09:34AM (6 children)

        by aristarchus (2645) on Saturday January 19 2019, @09:34AM (#788597) Journal

        As a carrion feeder, and catfish noodler, you should know, Oh Marginal Broussard, that women are equal to men in the only thing that men usually consider, and what Thomas Hobbes posited: We are not created equal by god so much as we are equally lethal to each other. You may be bigger, tougher, stronger; but you've got to sleep some time. And if you have a female prepare your food? Yeah, you're not equal. Or, as Ghengis Khan, the earlier Jordan Peterson, found out, women can kill you in ways you never saw coming, hitting you in your most vulnerable and engorged parts, and then just watching you bleed out. Yes, oh TMB, who lives with a "Roomie", women are not equal to men, they are superior. You best remember that.

        • (Score: 2, Touché) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday January 19 2019, @02:10PM

          by Anonymous Coward on Saturday January 19 2019, @02:10PM (#788628)

          Aristarchus discovers toxic femininity.

        • (Score: 4, Touché) by Runaway1956 on Saturday January 19 2019, @03:09PM

          by Runaway1956 (2926) Subscriber Badge on Saturday January 19 2019, @03:09PM (#788645) Homepage Journal

          Damn - you're getting closer to genuine wisdom, Ari. Let me offer a little help:

          "We are not created equal by god so much as" Sam Colt made us equal. No need to thank me - I'll be happy and relieved to see you campaigning and lobbying in support of the Second Amendment rights that we all share.

          --
          Abortion is the number one killed of children in the United States.
        • (Score: 3, Insightful) by The Mighty Buzzard on Saturday January 19 2019, @03:43PM (2 children)

          by The Mighty Buzzard (18) Subscriber Badge <themightybuzzard@proton.me> on Saturday January 19 2019, @03:43PM (#788659) Homepage Journal

          I don't disagree with anything you said but the last bit. That I disagree with because you can't really take the sum of all the aspects of an entire person and compare it to the sum of another. Individual characteristics can be compared but we don't have the proper calculus to compare the sets of them without at least specifying a purpose to gauge fitness for.

          --
          My rights don't end where your fear begins.
          • (Score: 2, Touché) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday January 19 2019, @05:13PM (1 child)

            by Anonymous Coward on Saturday January 19 2019, @05:13PM (#788691)

            wow, TMB makes a reasonable post without any stupid insults or anything. Nice.

            • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday January 24 2019, @03:34PM

              by Anonymous Coward on Thursday January 24 2019, @03:34PM (#791251)

              That helps make him manly.

              There are too many men that believe their measure of strength is dependent upon calling others weak.

        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday January 19 2019, @09:15PM

          by Anonymous Coward on Saturday January 19 2019, @09:15PM (#788767)

          And if you have a female prepare your food? Yeah, you're not equal.

          Get out of the kitchen, woman!

      • (Score: 1) by kurenai.tsubasa on Saturday January 19 2019, @04:56PM (8 children)

        by kurenai.tsubasa (5227) on Saturday January 19 2019, @04:56PM (#788687) Journal

        And here is the poster boy for men who must bucket out their pond and get in touch with their inner Iron John! And so I will attempt to point you in this direction. You are probably trolling as usual, yet the old man from Samos has raised the issue of the section of the men's movement that other (more serious imnsho) sections look down upon due their obvious philosophical perfidy: the PUAs. So there is more I must write.

        Of course men and women are different! The only people who are saying otherwise are the moonbat postmodernists and their trans trender groupies who seem to only seek gender transition for the purpose of sticking their dicks in cis lesbians. Plus, listen to what the postmodernists are saying. They say, “Men and women are exactly the same, except when we, from time-to-time, seize upon evidence that men are ‘incomplete beings’ or otherwise an inferior caste, membership in which may be determined on the most superficial basis imaginable, or evidence that women are ‘superior beings’ because they can give birth, even cisgender women who are incapable of giving birth.” That is lunacy—hysteria even!, and you're absolutely right to reject it.

        Have you read Iron John: A Book About Men [barnesandnoble.com]?

        My “internet boyfriend” finds the Iron John myth useful, as he has difficulty finding the girl the with the golden hair, and it helped me gain a deeper understanding of and appreciation for masculinity. It's been a while since I read it, and iirc it also deals with masculine healing hands, which I feel is an important part of the nature of masculinity. Man at his best is, among other things, Aragorn at Gondor, who knows mother nature intimately (such as the medicinal properties of many herbs), healing the sick with the healing hands of a king (i.e. the laying on of hands and the divine masculine).

        At this point, allow me to put on Fred Bear [youtube.com].

        The man as a hunter and fisher, who here too is in love with mother nature and finds conservationism bound up in hunting and fishing (see Michigan's Out-of-Doors [michiganoutofdoorstv.com] and check out their venison recipes!), is an expression of his healing hands and desire to provide, so there are elements you may be able to relate to here. The cover art of Iron John is reminiscent of the, perhaps romanticized, mountain man archetype in European-American culture. This is an uplifting interpretation of masculinity I feel is imminently accessible to rural men.

        In order to understand men as ground down by neoliberalism, we must also understand Palahniuk's Fight Club, in which Tyler Durden is an Iron John figure and an anti-capitalist. “In the world I see you are stalking elk through the damp canyon forests around the ruins of Rock feller Center. You'll wear leather clothes that will last you the rest of your life. You'll climb the wrist-thick kudzu vines that wrap the Sears Towers. And when you look down, you'll see tiny figures pounding corn, laying stripes of venison on the empty car pool lane of some abandoned superhighways.” There is something here that calls to men powerfully, yet it does not seem fundamentally counterrevolutionary. Instead we must apply the dialectical process of thesis, negation, negation of the negation in order to find liberation from gender dichotomy as codependence.

        In the final analysis, it is absolutely possible to be a heterosexual man in the negation of the negation we must work out. 90% of men are heterosexual. In fact, a heterosexual man can be nothing else than a heterosexual man! See Vincent's Self-Made Man [wikipedia.org] in which the variable of gynephilia is held constant while modifying the variable of gender identity. In fact, I believe it is possible to accomplish this while rejecting patriarchal heteronormativity. The destructive approach of the postmodernists leads only to fascism. Thus, the phenomenon of “toxic masculinity” is entirely of the postmodernists' own creation!

      • (Score: 3, Informative) by Azuma Hazuki on Saturday January 19 2019, @07:03PM (1 child)

        by Azuma Hazuki (5086) on Saturday January 19 2019, @07:03PM (#788731) Journal

        Damn right we aren't. But for some reason we women put up with you assholes anyway.

        --
        I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...
      • (Score: 1) by Ethanol-fueled on Saturday January 19 2019, @11:30PM (1 child)

        by Ethanol-fueled (2792) on Saturday January 19 2019, @11:30PM (#788815) Homepage

        Even my butch-dyke aunt freely acknowledges that yes, there are uncontrollable differences between men and women. And the bitch herself played rugby.

        • (Score: 5, Insightful) by Azuma Hazuki on Sunday January 20 2019, @04:31PM

          by Azuma Hazuki (5086) on Sunday January 20 2019, @04:31PM (#789067) Journal

          Shit yes there are differences. People seem to think equality means identicality though, which it doesn't.

          On the other hand, just about every man I've seen saying this is using "why u mad lawl I'm jus' sayin' there's differences!" to actually mean "bitches ain't shit." So you'll forgive us if we get a bit twitchy when we see people make unqualified statements. And we're not dumb, so based on past interactions we can usually tell what a guy means when he says some variation on "there are differences between the sexes."

          If anything, the reason I'm not a TERF is because I acknowledge these differences. If I thought gender was entirely a "social construct," whatever the *fuck* that means, I'd be TERFing it up with the worst of them, because I have *not* had good experiences with transwomen thus far, only knowing one who isn't a complete basket case.

          --
          I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...
  • (Score: 3, Informative) by Gaaark on Saturday January 19 2019, @01:02PM

    by Gaaark (41) Subscriber Badge on Saturday January 19 2019, @01:02PM (#788608) Journal

    Methinks he doth alt-right OBSESSIVELY.

    You need at least one more trick there, pony-boy.

    Come on, Ari: at least put some effort into it!

    --
    --- Please remind me if I haven't been civil to you: I'm channeling MDC. ---Gaaark 2.0 ---
  • (Score: 4, Funny) by Runaway1956 on Saturday January 19 2019, @03:10PM (24 children)

    by Runaway1956 (2926) Subscriber Badge on Saturday January 19 2019, @03:10PM (#788646) Homepage Journal

    can I go to any of the universities, to take courses in toxic masculinity? I think I've got it down pat, but I might learn something new, if I take the time to do the courses.

    --
    Abortion is the number one killed of children in the United States.
    • (Score: 3, Funny) by The Mighty Buzzard on Saturday January 19 2019, @03:44PM (7 children)

      by The Mighty Buzzard (18) Subscriber Badge <themightybuzzard@proton.me> on Saturday January 19 2019, @03:44PM (#788662) Homepage Journal

      You can't go to universities and take classes in anything else.

      --
      My rights don't end where your fear begins.
      • (Score: 4, Funny) by Runaway1956 on Saturday January 19 2019, @03:48PM (1 child)

        by Runaway1956 (2926) Subscriber Badge on Saturday January 19 2019, @03:48PM (#788664) Homepage Journal

        Awesome - that means we've defeated the feminists!

        --
        Abortion is the number one killed of children in the United States.
      • (Score: 3, Informative) by aristarchus on Saturday January 19 2019, @07:41PM (2 children)

        by aristarchus (2645) on Saturday January 19 2019, @07:41PM (#788742) Journal

        Just because any self-respecting university would deny admission to Runaway, that does not mean others would not be allowed to take classes.

        • (Score: 2) by c0lo on Sunday January 20 2019, @09:40PM (1 child)

          by c0lo (156) on Sunday January 20 2019, @09:40PM (#789141) Journal

          One can still take courses without being admitted as a student, is it not so?

          --
          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aoFiw2jMy-0
          • (Score: 2) by Freeman on Tuesday January 22 2019, @06:10PM

            by Freeman (732) Subscriber Badge on Tuesday January 22 2019, @06:10PM (#790176) Journal

            So far as I know, Auditing classes is a normal thing throughout. It's cheaper, but you don't get any of the credit.

            --
            Joshua 1:9 "Be strong and of a good courage; be not afraid, neither be thou dismayed: for the Lord thy God is with thee"
      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday January 19 2019, @09:26PM (1 child)

        by Anonymous Coward on Saturday January 19 2019, @09:26PM (#788772)

        You can't go to universities and take classes in anything else.

        Yet it remains elusive [youtube.com]

        • (Score: 1, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday January 20 2019, @03:05PM

          by Anonymous Coward on Sunday January 20 2019, @03:05PM (#789038)

          come to Sherbrooke University, we speak French but we still teach proper science and the raving mad feminist do not have a stronghold on the campus, mostly thanks to ours sexy women in marketing. those gals are clever, funny, hardcore party people on Thursday night and they outnumber the social "scientists". I never thought the day of thanking the marketing people for anything would have ever come but here we are now

    • (Score: 2) by takyon on Saturday January 19 2019, @07:37PM (15 children)

      by takyon (881) <takyonNO@SPAMsoylentnews.org> on Saturday January 19 2019, @07:37PM (#788741) Journal

      You have nothing left to learn about toxic masculinity.

      Now what you want to do is volunteer to be a nude model for one of the art classes. #toxic

      --
      [SIG] 10/28/2017: Soylent Upgrade v14 [soylentnews.org]
      • (Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Sunday January 20 2019, @12:35AM (14 children)

        by The Mighty Buzzard (18) Subscriber Badge <themightybuzzard@proton.me> on Sunday January 20 2019, @12:35AM (#788829) Homepage Journal

        Sounds like too much effort. I'll just uncover my webcam and post a link to the stream in the Site News section.

        --
        My rights don't end where your fear begins.
        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday January 20 2019, @12:49AM (9 children)

          by Anonymous Coward on Sunday January 20 2019, @12:49AM (#788839)

          Bullshit

          • (Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Sunday January 20 2019, @01:15AM (8 children)

            by The Mighty Buzzard (18) Subscriber Badge <themightybuzzard@proton.me> on Sunday January 20 2019, @01:15AM (#788847) Homepage Journal

            No... You think?

            --
            My rights don't end where your fear begins.
            • (Score: 1, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday January 20 2019, @03:08PM (7 children)

              by Anonymous Coward on Sunday January 20 2019, @03:08PM (#789041)

              hey I have a feature request : display the sha2 of the Ac ip reverse lookup so we could be different while staying anonymous

              • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday January 20 2019, @10:12PM (6 children)

                by Anonymous Coward on Sunday January 20 2019, @10:12PM (#789157)

                But then buzzy boy wouldn't be special and get to know which AC is which. Dictators don't share power.

                • (Score: 3, Interesting) by The Mighty Buzzard on Sunday January 20 2019, @11:58PM (2 children)

                  by The Mighty Buzzard (18) Subscriber Badge <themightybuzzard@proton.me> on Sunday January 20 2019, @11:58PM (#789218) Homepage Journal

                  It's more that it's too easy to build a rainbow table of all IPv4 addresses and nearly instantly know where every AC is coming from. We don't want that being public information for corporations and government entities to exploit at will.

                  I do have some ideas in mind though. Per-story hashes with AC IPIDs as keys that displays an index number instead of the IPID should maintain anonymity quite effectively while making it easy to tell one from another and fast to render. I want to roll it around in my head a bit more and talk it over with other staff before I start coding on something like that though.

                  --
                  My rights don't end where your fear begins.
                  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday January 21 2019, @10:33PM (1 child)

                    by Anonymous Coward on Monday January 21 2019, @10:33PM (#789820)

                    that why the hash of the reverse lookup should be used and salt that with the story title and your all set

                • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday January 21 2019, @12:16AM (1 child)

                  by Anonymous Coward on Monday January 21 2019, @12:16AM (#789232)

                  as I. said an. idea is worthless without implementation so if you want to share power (even if I personally think that you don't use it) feel free to take credit, also hash the ip that don't return a dns record with a secret salt.

                • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday January 21 2019, @12:44AM

                  by Anonymous Coward on Monday January 21 2019, @12:44AM (#789264)

                  Original AC here, and I just want to say that this is a bad . . . wait, . . . I am the second AC, . . . or was it the third? Oh, crap, I've lost my identity! I hope my fellow ACs can put me straight!

        • (Score: 3, Funny) by c0lo on Sunday January 20 2019, @09:43PM (3 children)

          by c0lo (156) on Sunday January 20 2019, @09:43PM (#789143) Journal

          I'll just uncover my webcam and post a link to the stream

          Nothing more boring than watching someone trying to fish into a videostream

          --
          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aoFiw2jMy-0
  • (Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday January 19 2019, @04:52PM

    by Anonymous Coward on Saturday January 19 2019, @04:52PM (#788685)

    If you are really having this much trouble finding gentlemen to your liking, maybe the problem is you. I've heard that it can be difficult for any man to find other gentlemen. Maybe, if you try hard enough, you can have some success in the end.

  • (Score: 2, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday January 19 2019, @05:27PM (3 children)

    by Anonymous Coward on Saturday January 19 2019, @05:27PM (#788695)

    There are quite a few alt-liters and incels around here, that has been obvious for a while. Is using the word gentleman a popular catchphrase or something? Or are you just getting trolled? You got the resident troll and nutter to both show up here, guess you hit a nerve.

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday January 19 2019, @07:16PM (2 children)

      by Anonymous Coward on Saturday January 19 2019, @07:16PM (#788737)

      I was also curious about what the Supreme Gentleman was. Urban Dictionary to the rescue [urbandictionary.com]!

      A Supreme Gentleman is a sub-genre of the Nice Guy genus that has allowed their ego to inflate to such an extent, and become so Fedora in their philosophical outlook that they go on a shooting spree to end their kissless-virgin angst.

      "I am the perfect guy, but yet, you throw yourselves at all these obnoxious men, instead of me: the Supreme Gentleman.

      I will punish all of you for it!

      *Points and laughs at screen, finishes rant, goes and shoots some people*

      The Supreme Gentleman seems to be a man who is thoroughly out of touch with Iron John and hopelessly misguided by postmodernism....

      Perhaps he feels the disorientation and inclination towards insanity that a person of one gender feels when compelled to identify as the other gender (in at least a spiritual manner, as postmodernism seeks to coerce the male spirit into female spiritual form, which is an impossible task) and runs straight into the brick wall of attempting to attract heterosexual women, who are attracted to masculinity, on the basis of coerced, inauthentic femininity. See also trans trenders, which are a different expression of postmodern epic fail.

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday January 19 2019, @09:34PM (1 child)

        by Anonymous Coward on Saturday January 19 2019, @09:34PM (#788777)

        I look at this again, and it could be mistaken for transphobia. So let me be clear so that the Germaine Greers of the world won't be tempted to run with a half-assed analysis that has the logical conclusion of refuting second wave feminism, placing woman back upon the pedestal as the exceptional gender. (Postmodernism I think is not capable of dealing with pedestalization.) The thesis in effect here is patriarchal transphobia, which seeks to coerce the female spirit (of trans women) into male spiritual form. The negation of the thesis is postmodern not-transphobia, which seeks to coerce the male spirit (of cis men) into female spiritual form. Thus again we seek the negation of the negation to get ourselves out of this mess. Of course, I am limited here to those assigned the male gender at birth and did not try to generalize.

        Ok, stick a fork in me—I'm done.

        • (Score: 3, Insightful) by Azuma Hazuki on Sunday January 20 2019, @04:35PM

          by Azuma Hazuki (5086) on Sunday January 20 2019, @04:35PM (#789068) Journal

          Uh...isn't that basically the same thing the culture warriors of yesteryear were saying about gays? Like, "They don't just want acceptance! They're breaking our culture and the only way they see fit to do that is to completely reverse roles!" Because I've never felt like a man or like I'm trying to be one for being gay; it's just natural love of other women, it was there before I even knew gay was a thing. This looks like the same old reactionary fear-screeching applied to the next frontier of queerness, if you ask me...

          --
          I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...
  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday January 19 2019, @07:07PM

    by Anonymous Coward on Saturday January 19 2019, @07:07PM (#788732)

    The title "Supreme Gentleman" refers specifically to this fellow:
    https://encyclopediadramatica.rs/Elliot_Rodger [encyclopediadramatica.rs]

    tl;dr: a wealthy jewish/chinese kid is mad that no woman will sleep with him so he shoots up his university campus. But not before making some HILARIOUS YouTube videos bemoaning his plight.

  • (Score: 2) by takyon on Saturday January 19 2019, @09:00PM (8 children)

    by takyon (881) <takyonNO@SPAMsoylentnews.org> on Saturday January 19 2019, @09:00PM (#788761) Journal

    Disgusting! Violent! Heteronormative!

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    • (Score: 1, Flamebait) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday January 19 2019, @10:45PM (5 children)

      by Anonymous Coward on Saturday January 19 2019, @10:45PM (#788798)

      You do realize you are proving his point right?

      • (Score: 2) by takyon on Saturday January 19 2019, @10:46PM (4 children)

        by takyon (881) <takyonNO@SPAMsoylentnews.org> on Saturday January 19 2019, @10:46PM (#788799) Journal

        ^ 2,300 years old

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        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday January 19 2019, @11:11PM (3 children)

          by Anonymous Coward on Saturday January 19 2019, @11:11PM (#788808)

          More than one, then, most likely. But that is not the issue here. Aristarchus is not alt-right.

    • (Score: 1, Troll) by NPC-131072 on Sunday January 20 2019, @01:14AM (1 child)

      by NPC-131072 (7144) on Sunday January 20 2019, @01:14AM (#788844) Journal

      Hello fren, I must defend Aristarchus against these disgraceful accusations. Aristarchus is an antifascist trooper, a basher of trumptards and a credit to the SN leftist collective. He's a monk and if he touched a woman, you can be certain it would be he mother!

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday January 21 2019, @07:38PM

        by Anonymous Coward on Monday January 21 2019, @07:38PM (#789730)

        if he touched a woman, you can be certain it would be he mother!

        I think Otto [wikipedia.org] is relevant here when he said "Dude, your mom is hot!" [wikipedia.org]

        Oh, and you're welcome.

  • (Score: 2, Informative) by aristarchus on Sunday January 20 2019, @10:50PM

    by aristarchus (2645) on Sunday January 20 2019, @10:50PM (#789177) Journal

    Interesting phenomenon, this political conservatism and male sexuality. I recommend a look at Male Fantasies, Vol. 1: Women, Floods, Bodies, History [amazon.com], by Klaus Theweleit, University of Minnesota Press; 1St Edition edition (April 1, 1987). Seems that the men of the Freicorps in the Balkan wars were much like the alt-right of today, seeing women as either on pedestals as wives and sisters, or as Communist THOTs. And they had a tendency to transfer women from one category to the other rather quickly. Not surprising, then, that members or even founders of the "alt-right" have, um, difficulties, in their personal relations. The denouement of Matt Heimbach [washingtonpost.com] being one case in point, the other Richard Spencer's recent divorce [gq.com].

    The linked cartoon lays out a similar but much more recent history, but this is nothing new. Right-wing males have a hard time relating to other human beings as fellow human beings, particularly if they are female.

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