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Yet another aristarchus submission has met it's appointed fate. Nothing surprising, but, there was a non-blank rationale field, highly unusual!
We're sorry, your submission "This online comic shows how pick-up artists morphed into the alt-right" was declined for the following reason:
All hail the Supreme Gentleman! -takyonThe editors felt it inappropriate for them to correct the issue themselves. Please feel free to correct the issue yourself and resubmit.
Of course, I think the entire point was that these are no Gentleman, and the Red Pillars need to get themselves over to The Art of Manliness website. And apparenty, this includes one of our more prolific editors? Cause for pause, Soylentils! What are we part of, here!
Takyon is an incel! Disgusting, Bro!
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I'm wearing PAMPERS!!
(Score: 3, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday January 19 2019, @06:07AM (21 children)
The "crisis" with masculinity seems to be a Marxist dialectic. (Let me know if I'm doing this wrong. wswswswsws won't touch the subject even with a 38½" pole.) Thesis is patriarchy. Negation of the thesis is radical feminism. Gender equality lies in the negation of the negation.
For consideration there is Bly's Iron John: A Book About Men [wikipedia.org], which is the polar opposite approach to the red pillar counterrevolution implied but never directly urged by Farrell's The Myth of Male Power (iirc). Bly might give us a glimpse of what the negation of the negation is, but Iron John is mythical in nature and can only be separated from the myth's heteronormativity with some contortions.
Men must seek liberty from the straight-jacket of patriarchy. Heteronormativity is the force of patriarchy that, in the presence of radical feminism, sleepwalks into a contradiction: dependence upon that which was previously dependent on the former itself but had obtained independence. Gender relations under patriarchy assume a thoroughly co-dependent form of mutual abuse. Thus, heterosexual men must awaken from their co-dependent state and find a new mode of gender relations in which heterosexual men and women finally become independent equals.
I think that the new propaganda about "toxic masculinity" presumes to talk about masculinity, but it only in fact talks about heterosexual men who have not yet found a way of gender relations with women as independent equals instead of as mutual codependents. It does not talk about masculinity itself (viz. the gender independent of sexuality) but an outmoded means of male heterosexuality.
(Score: 3, Interesting) by The Mighty Buzzard on Saturday January 19 2019, @07:18AM (20 children)
Men and women are not equals in fact, only in law. Look the word equal up. It can not reasonably be applied to two groups with significant differences and those differences unarguably exist.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 3, Insightful) by aristarchus on Saturday January 19 2019, @09:34AM (6 children)
As a carrion feeder, and catfish noodler, you should know, Oh Marginal Broussard, that women are equal to men in the only thing that men usually consider, and what Thomas Hobbes posited: We are not created equal by god so much as we are equally lethal to each other. You may be bigger, tougher, stronger; but you've got to sleep some time. And if you have a female prepare your food? Yeah, you're not equal. Or, as Ghengis Khan, the earlier Jordan Peterson, found out, women can kill you in ways you never saw coming, hitting you in your most vulnerable and engorged parts, and then just watching you bleed out. Yes, oh TMB, who lives with a "Roomie", women are not equal to men, they are superior. You best remember that.
(Score: 2, Touché) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday January 19 2019, @02:10PM
Aristarchus discovers toxic femininity.
(Score: 4, Touché) by Runaway1956 on Saturday January 19 2019, @03:09PM
Damn - you're getting closer to genuine wisdom, Ari. Let me offer a little help:
"We are not created equal by god so much as" Sam Colt made us equal. No need to thank me - I'll be happy and relieved to see you campaigning and lobbying in support of the Second Amendment rights that we all share.
Abortion is the number one killed of children in the United States.
(Score: 3, Insightful) by The Mighty Buzzard on Saturday January 19 2019, @03:43PM (2 children)
I don't disagree with anything you said but the last bit. That I disagree with because you can't really take the sum of all the aspects of an entire person and compare it to the sum of another. Individual characteristics can be compared but we don't have the proper calculus to compare the sets of them without at least specifying a purpose to gauge fitness for.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 2, Touché) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday January 19 2019, @05:13PM (1 child)
wow, TMB makes a reasonable post without any stupid insults or anything. Nice.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday January 24 2019, @03:34PM
That helps make him manly.
There are too many men that believe their measure of strength is dependent upon calling others weak.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday January 19 2019, @09:15PM
Get out of the kitchen, woman!
(Score: 1) by kurenai.tsubasa on Saturday January 19 2019, @04:56PM (8 children)
And here is the poster boy for men who must bucket out their pond and get in touch with their inner Iron John! And so I will attempt to point you in this direction. You are probably trolling as usual, yet the old man from Samos has raised the issue of the section of the men's movement that other (more serious imnsho) sections look down upon due their obvious philosophical perfidy: the PUAs. So there is more I must write.
Of course men and women are different! The only people who are saying otherwise are the moonbat postmodernists and their trans trender groupies who seem to only seek gender transition for the purpose of sticking their dicks in cis lesbians. Plus, listen to what the postmodernists are saying. They say, “Men and women are exactly the same, except when we, from time-to-time, seize upon evidence that men are ‘incomplete beings’ or otherwise an inferior caste, membership in which may be determined on the most superficial basis imaginable, or evidence that women are ‘superior beings’ because they can give birth, even cisgender women who are incapable of giving birth.” That is lunacy—hysteria even!, and you're absolutely right to reject it.
Have you read Iron John: A Book About Men [barnesandnoble.com]?
My “internet boyfriend” finds the Iron John myth useful, as he has difficulty finding the girl the with the golden hair, and it helped me gain a deeper understanding of and appreciation for masculinity. It's been a while since I read it, and iirc it also deals with masculine healing hands, which I feel is an important part of the nature of masculinity. Man at his best is, among other things, Aragorn at Gondor, who knows mother nature intimately (such as the medicinal properties of many herbs), healing the sick with the healing hands of a king (i.e. the laying on of hands and the divine masculine).
At this point, allow me to put on Fred Bear [youtube.com].
The man as a hunter and fisher, who here too is in love with mother nature and finds conservationism bound up in hunting and fishing (see Michigan's Out-of-Doors [michiganoutofdoorstv.com] and check out their venison recipes!), is an expression of his healing hands and desire to provide, so there are elements you may be able to relate to here. The cover art of Iron John is reminiscent of the, perhaps romanticized, mountain man archetype in European-American culture. This is an uplifting interpretation of masculinity I feel is imminently accessible to rural men.
In order to understand men as ground down by neoliberalism, we must also understand Palahniuk's Fight Club, in which Tyler Durden is an Iron John figure and an anti-capitalist. “In the world I see you are stalking elk through the damp canyon forests around the ruins of Rock feller Center. You'll wear leather clothes that will last you the rest of your life. You'll climb the wrist-thick kudzu vines that wrap the Sears Towers. And when you look down, you'll see tiny figures pounding corn, laying stripes of venison on the empty car pool lane of some abandoned superhighways.” There is something here that calls to men powerfully, yet it does not seem fundamentally counterrevolutionary. Instead we must apply the dialectical process of thesis, negation, negation of the negation in order to find liberation from gender dichotomy as codependence.
In the final analysis, it is absolutely possible to be a heterosexual man in the negation of the negation we must work out. 90% of men are heterosexual. In fact, a heterosexual man can be nothing else than a heterosexual man! See Vincent's Self-Made Man [wikipedia.org] in which the variable of gynephilia is held constant while modifying the variable of gender identity. In fact, I believe it is possible to accomplish this while rejecting patriarchal heteronormativity. The destructive approach of the postmodernists leads only to fascism. Thus, the phenomenon of “toxic masculinity” is entirely of the postmodernists' own creation!
(Score: 3, Informative) by The Mighty Buzzard on Sunday January 20 2019, @12:29AM (7 children)
You of all people should be siding with me. If men and women were the same, you'd have no desire to do the trans thing. If they're not the same then they're not equal because that's what equal means.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 1) by kurenai.tsubasa on Sunday January 20 2019, @02:16AM (1 child)
Yes! Precisely! Thank Ishtar, somebody gets it! (Perhaps in spite of my wall of text!)
And so I side with you when we finally arrive at the negation of the negation, as the thesis, patriarchal heteronormativity, excludes me. Additionally, I think you are already operating in the paradigm represented by the negation of the negation, and so we are on the same side.
Darmok [wikia.com] and Jalad on the ocean!
(Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Sunday January 20 2019, @03:17AM
Wicked chest congestion means I haven't had enough oxygen to even wake up properly today. Too many large words. Might make sense after this crap starts breaking up.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 1) by kurenai.tsubasa on Sunday January 20 2019, @02:46AM (4 children)
Also, because the word equality is confusing. Should we call this negation of the negation a mode of gender relations in which the two genders are peers?
So instead of gender equality, shall we have gender peerage then?
(Score: 2, Troll) by The Mighty Buzzard on Sunday January 20 2019, @03:19AM (3 children)
Just use equivalence instead. Or just judge people as individuals and the whole issue is moot.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 3, Touché) by The Mighty Buzzard on Sunday January 20 2019, @11:47PM (2 children)
Interesting I'd get a Troll mod for preaching Dr. King's message the day before his birthday.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 2) by aristarchus on Sunday January 20 2019, @11:59PM (1 child)
It's OK, TMB, so did Mike Pence! [rawstory.com]
(Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Monday January 21 2019, @12:10AM
Except that I was literally advocating judging people as individuals instead of collectively.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 3, Informative) by Azuma Hazuki on Saturday January 19 2019, @07:03PM (1 child)
Damn right we aren't. But for some reason we women put up with you assholes anyway.
I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...
(Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Sunday January 20 2019, @12:32AM
Those were my grandma's feelings on the matter as well. She wanted nothing to do with equality on account of it being a demotion in her eyes.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 1) by Ethanol-fueled on Saturday January 19 2019, @11:30PM (1 child)
Even my butch-dyke aunt freely acknowledges that yes, there are uncontrollable differences between men and women. And the bitch herself played rugby.
(Score: 5, Insightful) by Azuma Hazuki on Sunday January 20 2019, @04:31PM
Shit yes there are differences. People seem to think equality means identicality though, which it doesn't.
On the other hand, just about every man I've seen saying this is using "why u mad lawl I'm jus' sayin' there's differences!" to actually mean "bitches ain't shit." So you'll forgive us if we get a bit twitchy when we see people make unqualified statements. And we're not dumb, so based on past interactions we can usually tell what a guy means when he says some variation on "there are differences between the sexes."
If anything, the reason I'm not a TERF is because I acknowledge these differences. If I thought gender was entirely a "social construct," whatever the *fuck* that means, I'd be TERFing it up with the worst of them, because I have *not* had good experiences with transwomen thus far, only knowing one who isn't a complete basket case.
I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...