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posted by LaminatorX on Wednesday February 26 2014, @12:30PM   Printer-friendly
from the Boot-him?-I-just-met-him! dept.

jbernardo writes:

"Having had several issues with systemd, and really not liking the philosophy behind it, I am looking into alternatives. I really prefer something that follows the Unix philosophy of using small, focused, and independent tools, with a clear interface. Unfortunately, my favourite distro, Arch Linux, is very much pro-systemd, and a discussion of alternatives is liable to get you banned for a month from their forums. There is an effort to support openrc, but it is still in its infancy and without much support.

So, what are the alternatives, besides Gentoo? Preferably binary... I'd rather have something like arch, with quick updates, cutting edge, but I've already used a lot in the past Mandrake, RedHat, SourceMage, Debian, Kubuntu, and so on, so the package format or the package management differences don't scare me."

[ED Note: I'm imagining FreeBSD sitting in the room with the all the Linux distros he mentioned being utterly ignored like Canada in Hetalia.]

 
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  • (Score: 3, Interesting) by CaptainK on Wednesday February 26 2014, @12:42PM

    by CaptainK (1110) on Wednesday February 26 2014, @12:42PM (#7255)

    Big LFS fan here obviously.
    Suggesting this only because I like to pontificate about how blOATed distros have become.

    Slackware is kickass also.
    But if you are looking for something to just plug into the CD tray, then neither of these choices will entice you.
    Although, if you fall into this catefgory, then you can't complain about what you get for service startup.

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  • (Score: 1) by bart9h on Wednesday February 26 2014, @01:14PM

    by bart9h (767) on Wednesday February 26 2014, @01:14PM (#7265)

    I used LFS on my desktop for many months. What made switch back to a regular distro was the hassle of keeping software up-to-date, specially considering library dependencies.

    That was many years ago. Is the situation improved in this front?

  • (Score: 5, Informative) by melikamp on Wednesday February 26 2014, @04:10PM

    by melikamp (1886) on Wednesday February 26 2014, @04:10PM (#7364) Journal

    (Deblobbed [freeslack.net]) Slackware user here. As we speak, the official Slackware forum is being filled with very fiery systemd posts, with not one but two threads filled with love, hate, and bile, with love clearly in the minority. Long-time users and contributors are guessing that Slackware won't be switching in the foreseeable future (or ever, unless it is clearly shown to be technically advantageous), although everything is possible with time.

    Slackware may not be cutting-edge enough for you, but then again, it looks like it's the cutting edge init that is driving you away, so may be it's worth trying a more conservative OS?

    And then there's Debian, of course, which we know won't drop the classic init for years and years.

    • (Score: 1) by jbernardo on Wednesday February 26 2014, @04:25PM

      by jbernardo (300) on Wednesday February 26 2014, @04:25PM (#7382)

      I guess I will take a look at slackware again. Looks like cutting edge doesn't always equate with "the best and latest", so maybe it is time to choose a more conservative distro.

    • (Score: 1) by Curupira on Wednesday February 26 2014, @05:43PM

      by Curupira (1984) on Wednesday February 26 2014, @05:43PM (#7420)
      I wouldn't be that sure.... they've decided to adopt systemd [lwn.net], starting on the Jessie release.
      • (Score: 1) by HiThere on Wednesday February 26 2014, @06:21PM

        by HiThere (866) Subscriber Badge on Wednesday February 26 2014, @06:21PM (#7447) Journal

        I think he was implying that the current stable will be maintained for a long time. Debian has a history of being slow to move the testing (currently Jessie) branch to stable.

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      • (Score: 1) by melikamp on Wednesday February 26 2014, @06:24PM

        by melikamp (1886) on Wednesday February 26 2014, @06:24PM (#7449) Journal
        It's going to be the new default (until they vote again). I didn't hear anything about dropping support for sysvinit, but that may be just my ignorance talking.
  • (Score: 2, Informative) by bryan on Wednesday February 26 2014, @07:22PM

    by bryan (29) <bryan@pipedot.org> on Wednesday February 26 2014, @07:22PM (#7484) Homepage Journal

    Bruce Dubbs (one of the maintainers of Linux From Scratch) has done a pretty good job of extracting udev out of systemd.

    http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/lfs/view/developme nt/chapter06/udev.html [linuxfromscratch.org]

    • (Score: 0) by Bill, Shooter Of Bul on Wednesday February 26 2014, @11:30PM

      by Bill, Shooter Of Bul (3170) on Wednesday February 26 2014, @11:30PM (#7633)

      As far as I remember, systemd just took over maintenance of udev. You don't really have to do anything to remove systemd from udev. There just in the same tree.

      Feel free to try eudev, the gentoo led fork of udev, if you want something that didn't even start out in systemd's tree. http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/eudev/ [gentoo.org]