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How to Avoid Systemd?

posted by LaminatorX on Wednesday February 26 2014, @12:30PM   Printer-friendly
from the Boot-him?-I-just-met-him! dept.

jbernardo writes:

"Having had several issues with systemd, and really not liking the philosophy behind it, I am looking into alternatives. I really prefer something that follows the Unix philosophy of using small, focused, and independent tools, with a clear interface. Unfortunately, my favourite distro, Arch Linux, is very much pro-systemd, and a discussion of alternatives is liable to get you banned for a month from their forums. There is an effort to support openrc, but it is still in its infancy and without much support.

So, what are the alternatives, besides Gentoo? Preferably binary... I'd rather have something like arch, with quick updates, cutting edge, but I've already used a lot in the past Mandrake, RedHat, SourceMage, Debian, Kubuntu, and so on, so the package format or the package management differences don't scare me."

[ED Note: I'm imagining FreeBSD sitting in the room with the all the Linux distros he mentioned being utterly ignored like Canada in Hetalia.]

 
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  • (Score: 5, Informative) by Desler on Wednesday February 26 2014, @01:38PM

    by Desler (880) on Wednesday February 26 2014, @01:38PM (#7270)

    While that link may sound great you should realize the same person made a complete 180 after writing it. You can read their current opinion here [linuxadvocates.com]:

    Seriously, systemd is a foregone conclusion and while it took time for me to digest the technical issues during the past year, I do see its importance.

    Basically most of the systemd hate is from mostly people who have never used it and are simply riding the "We hate Lennart" wave.

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  • (Score: 1) by Eunuchswear on Wednesday February 26 2014, @02:48PM

    by Eunuchswear (525) on Wednesday February 26 2014, @02:48PM (#7304) Journal

    And his change of mind just goes to show he's still an idiot who doesn't get it.

    A guy who says his distro is "fuduntu" "a fork of Fedora 14" spouts:

    It's really border-line funny how Debian committees work through the pros and cons of adopting Upstart vs. systemd.

    Do these Folks realize they are running the risk of becoming irrelevant in their inaction while the earth continues to turn on its axis.

    Or have I fallen for a Poe?

    --
    Watch this Heartland Institute video [youtube.com]

    • (Score: 2, Informative) by Desler on Wednesday February 26 2014, @03:08PM

      by Desler (880) on Wednesday February 26 2014, @03:08PM (#7322)

      Dieter no longer uses Fuduntu as the distro is DOA and he had an internet nerd spat with its creator.

  • (Score: 2, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday February 26 2014, @02:49PM

    by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday February 26 2014, @02:49PM (#7305)

    Said article does not refute any of the reasons as to why systemd i crap. It just labels systemd a foregone conclusion, as in "Give up, the start menu is gone, just get used to Modern UI".

    For those of us who like to be able to configure our systems to our likings, the choice is not between systemd or upstart. It's between finding a Linux distro that sticks to the unix philosophy, or skipping to FreeBSD.

    • (Score: 2) by VLM on Wednesday February 26 2014, @07:39PM

      by VLM (445) on Wednesday February 26 2014, @07:39PM (#7495)

      "It's between finding a Linux distro that sticks to the unix philosophy, or skipping to FreeBSD."

      systemd does have the smell of an "embrace extend extinguish", doesn't it?

  • (Score: 3, Insightful) by jbernardo on Wednesday February 26 2014, @06:41PM

    by jbernardo (300) on Wednesday February 26 2014, @06:41PM (#7462)

    Basically most of the systemd hate is from mostly people who have never used it and are simply riding the "We hate Lennart" wave.

    And it is because this is usually how systemd defenders answer criticism that I don't want to discuss why I don't like it. I just want an alternative.