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posted by martyb on Tuesday March 12 2019, @03:45AM   Printer-friendly
from the death-and-taxes dept.

"...Filing your taxes has never been faster or easier, especially if you do it online....the DIY approach may cost little or nothing....Most of us prefer free software..." foxnews.com/tech/best-tax-software-to-use-in-2019

This one is a little like the Emmys. "Best site for DIY tax prep" is TurboTax. "Best online tax site if you need a little help" is H&R Block. "Best site for earning bonus points" is TaxAct. "Best tax prep site to protect your identity" is TaxSlayer. "Best tax site for experienced DIY-ers" is Jackson Hewitt.

And for those that are wondering, I do pay taxes. As little as possible!


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  • (Score: 2, Insightful) by fustakrakich on Tuesday March 12 2019, @05:40AM (24 children)

    by fustakrakich (6150) on Tuesday March 12 2019, @05:40AM (#813091) Journal

    We should make them do our taxes, and send the filled in form for us to sign.

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  • (Score: 3, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday March 12 2019, @05:51AM (6 children)

    by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday March 12 2019, @05:51AM (#813097)

    This is how it happens in developed countries, like Finland. Except we don't even have to sign the forms, just report if we disagree with what they present us with.

    • (Score: 1) by fustakrakich on Tuesday March 12 2019, @06:06AM (4 children)

      by fustakrakich (6150) on Tuesday March 12 2019, @06:06AM (#813103) Journal

      Perfect. Amazing what you can get just by demanding it.

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      • (Score: 2) by c0lo on Tuesday March 12 2019, @08:51AM (3 children)

        by c0lo (156) Subscriber Badge on Tuesday March 12 2019, @08:51AM (#813135) Journal

        How come you demanded for a modern tax system in Finland?

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        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday March 12 2019, @11:27AM (1 child)

          by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday March 12 2019, @11:27AM (#813179)

          This is a very interesting question but unfortunately I don't know the answer. All I know is this system has been in use since 2006. Generally government works fairly smoothly and corruption is low.[*]

          * E.g. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corruption_Perception_Index [wikipedia.org]

          • (Score: 2) by Gaaark on Tuesday March 12 2019, @10:00PM

            by Gaaark (41) on Tuesday March 12 2019, @10:00PM (#813490) Journal

            Hmmm,
            Canada is in the 90-100 range, although I'm thinking that it will drop just due to Trudeau.

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        • (Score: 5, Interesting) by FatPhil on Tuesday March 12 2019, @12:05PM

          by FatPhil (863) <reversethis-{if.fdsa} {ta} {tnelyos-cp}> on Tuesday March 12 2019, @12:05PM (#813195) Homepage
          Mostly because Finland's a relatively new independent country (101 now, I think), and one that is highly focused on pragmatism. Not having hundreds of insane ancient laws to repeal meant that it could simply follow the steepest slope downhill to simplicity, without any boulders blocking the way.

          Estonia (where I now live, I used to live in Finland), invented itself from scratch 28 years ago, so not only started with a clean slate, but also had the concept of technology being an important part of how people do all kinds of business, including governmental obligations, right from the outset.

          I "signed" my tax return last week. It took me 5 minutes. 4 minutes 50 seconds of that was scrolling up and down thinking "there must be something I should be doing with this form", 5 seconds was logging in, 5 seconds was clicking "submit". Next year, the process will take me 10 seconds. Got paid 1199e for the effort too, as apparently I was due a rebate - the beers are on me!

          My g/f's a US citizen - I've seen the tomes she has to fill in every year (which do change slightly every year too, just to make sure there are gotchas). Advanced country? Sheesh.
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    • (Score: 2) by hendrikboom on Tuesday March 12 2019, @02:08PM

      by hendrikboom (1125) on Tuesday March 12 2019, @02:08PM (#813253) Homepage Journal

      Worked like that in the Netherlands too, when I lived there in the 70's.

  • (Score: 5, Informative) by darkfeline on Tuesday March 12 2019, @08:43AM (11 children)

    by darkfeline (1030) on Tuesday March 12 2019, @08:43AM (#813131) Homepage

    That was the plan, until TurboTax (Intuit) and H&R Block paid some money to the right people.

    https://www.propublica.org/article/filing-taxes-could-be-free-simple-hr-block-intuit-lobbying-against-it [propublica.org]

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    • (Score: 3, Informative) by FatPhil on Tuesday March 12 2019, @12:13PM

      by FatPhil (863) <reversethis-{if.fdsa} {ta} {tnelyos-cp}> on Tuesday March 12 2019, @12:13PM (#813200) Homepage
      Yup. A more fun presentation of your link and more is /Adam Ruins Everything/ addressing the issue: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fj4anUL-LvY
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    • (Score: 3, Insightful) by PartTimeZombie on Tuesday March 12 2019, @08:10PM (8 children)

      by PartTimeZombie (4827) on Tuesday March 12 2019, @08:10PM (#813450)

      Which raises the question of who the US government is for?

      You get to vote, but of course you don't really get a choice of who takes power.

      Interestingly the Soviet Union outlawed all political parties except the one with all the power. The US has never gone to that trouble, but they've managed the same trick. But two is better than one I suppose.

      • (Score: 1) by fustakrakich on Tuesday March 12 2019, @08:48PM (7 children)

        by fustakrakich (6150) on Tuesday March 12 2019, @08:48PM (#813460) Journal

        You get to vote, but of course you don't really get a choice of who takes power.

        Yeah they do, they just won't make even the feeblest effort. The non-voting block alone could change everything.

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        • (Score: 2) by PartTimeZombie on Tuesday March 12 2019, @09:24PM (6 children)

          by PartTimeZombie (4827) on Tuesday March 12 2019, @09:24PM (#813480)

          The non-voting block alone could change everything...

          I'm not convinced they could, not when the two state-sanctioned parties prevent alternatives from gaining any ground.

          • (Score: 1) by fustakrakich on Tuesday March 12 2019, @09:48PM (3 children)

            by fustakrakich (6150) on Tuesday March 12 2019, @09:48PM (#813486) Journal

            That doesn't make sense. They can't force you to vote for them. It's as trivial as turning our backs. We can continue to play along to get along, or we can try something different. The choice ours to make, not the party's.

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            • (Score: 2) by PartTimeZombie on Tuesday March 12 2019, @10:23PM (2 children)

              by PartTimeZombie (4827) on Tuesday March 12 2019, @10:23PM (#813498)

              Yeah, I suppose you could, but I can't see how that would work.

              Don't vote for them. Then what? Either the Democrat or Republican incumbent will win, but with fewer votes. They don't care about that.

              Vote for a third party? That's a good idea, but in the 243 years you've been doing this you've never managed more than two parties.

              • (Score: 1) by fustakrakich on Wednesday March 13 2019, @02:05AM (1 child)

                by fustakrakich (6150) on Wednesday March 13 2019, @02:05AM (#813556) Journal

                Vote for a third party? That's a good idea, but in the 243 years you've been doing this you've never managed more than two parties.

                Only for the lack of votes. That's not the party's fault. I mean, it is, they couldn't sell their product, but it's still on the voters to decide. There is no one else to blame. The voters are responsible for their choices. The system cannot work without acknowledging the fundamentals.

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                • (Score: 2) by PartTimeZombie on Wednesday March 13 2019, @02:55AM

                  by PartTimeZombie (4827) on Wednesday March 13 2019, @02:55AM (#813570)

                  That's true, and I am not sure what the answers are, but I live in a country with 1% of your population and 6 parties in parliament.

                  The UK even has first-past-the-post voting and they manage to have 8 parties.

                  Something else is going on in the US. Propaganda? Maybe, I'm not sure.

          • (Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Wednesday March 13 2019, @02:14PM (1 child)

            by Runaway1956 (2926) Subscriber Badge on Wednesday March 13 2019, @02:14PM (#813720) Journal

            If, next election, every eligible voter who has not voted regularly for the past 12 years were to vote Green, then we would have a Green president. There wouldn't be room for the electoral college to screw it up. It wouldn't be 53% vs 47%. If all of them turned out and voted alike, their vote would win, something like 57% to 21% to 22%. That's how many people don't bother to vote. No after-the-vote tricks could overcome that kind of a margin.

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            • (Score: 2) by PartTimeZombie on Wednesday March 13 2019, @07:07PM

              by PartTimeZombie (4827) on Wednesday March 13 2019, @07:07PM (#813875)

              I'm sure you're right, but it seems like a forlorn hope at this point.

              I would be very interested to see what would happen if voters did that though.

    • (Score: 4, Insightful) by fustakrakich on Tuesday March 12 2019, @08:58PM

      by fustakrakich (6150) on Tuesday March 12 2019, @08:58PM (#813466) Journal

      TurboTax (Intuit) and H&R Block are playing by the rules. It is the voters that reward political corruption, with 95% reelection rates.

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  • (Score: 2) by driverless on Tuesday March 12 2019, @10:48AM

    by driverless (4770) on Tuesday March 12 2019, @10:48AM (#813162)

    That's how it happens here. The only time you need to do is fill out a form is if you're due a refund, but they're in the process of automating that as well.

    The first time I got a 1040 + guide to filling it out I couldn't believe that this was how taxes in the US were done.

  • (Score: 5, Funny) by The Mighty Buzzard on Tuesday March 12 2019, @12:29PM (2 children)

    You're using the wrong definition of "service" for the context. In this instance it's "service" as in "I got my neighbor's bull over to service my cows last week,".

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    • (Score: 2) by HiThere on Tuesday March 12 2019, @04:35PM

      by HiThere (866) on Tuesday March 12 2019, @04:35PM (#813344) Journal

      Not really. The cows want to be serviced.

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    • (Score: 1) by fustakrakich on Tuesday March 12 2019, @09:05PM

      by fustakrakich (6150) on Tuesday March 12 2019, @09:05PM (#813469) Journal

      Yeah, "Internal" should have been the giveaway...

      The old name was much more correct, Bureau of Internal Revenue, smells like... Russia!

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  • (Score: 1, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday March 12 2019, @05:46PM

    by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday March 12 2019, @05:46PM (#813382)

    At least during the Obama years, they wanted to, bills were proposed to do just that.

    H&R Block and TurboTax et al. lobbied to kill those bills.