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Facebook cracks down on vaccine misinformation
In a blog post, the Menlo Park, Calif. company said it will reject any ads containing misinformation about vaccines, remove any targeted advertising options like 'vaccine controversies,' and will no longer show or recommend content containing this type of misinformation on Instagram Explore or hashtag pages."
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Combatting Vaccine Misinformation
We are working to tackle vaccine misinformation on Facebook by reducing its distribution and providing people with authoritative information on the topic.
[...] Leading global health organizations, such as the World Health Organization and the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, have publicly identified verifiable vaccine hoaxes. If these vaccine hoaxes appear on Facebook, we will take action against them.
For example, if a group or Page admin posts this vaccine misinformation, we will exclude the entire group or Page from recommendations, reduce these groups and Pages’ distribution in News Feed and Search, and reject ads with this misinformation.
We also believe in providing people with additional context so they can decide whether to read, share, or engage in conversations about information they see on Facebook. We are exploring ways to give people more accurate information from expert organizations about vaccines at the top of results for related searches, on Pages discussing the topic, and on invitations to join groups about the topic. We will have an update on this soon.
We are fully committed to the safety of our community and will continue to expand on this work.
(Score: 3, Funny) by DannyB on Thursday March 14 2019, @02:19PM (1 child)
Maybe that is why Facebook was down yesterday. To reduce the spread of misinformation.
Stupid people exist because nothing in the food chain eats them anymore.
(Score: 2) by mcgrew on Thursday March 14 2019, @05:15PM
When I saw the article about Facebook and anti-vaxers a few days ago I thought, "Good luck with that!" Every time I go to Facebook I see at least a dozen Russian troll posts. Their efforts sure worked there, didn't they?
Are the Republicans really in favor of genocide, or are they just cowards terrified of terrorist twit Trump?
(Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday March 14 2019, @02:58PM (21 children)
It isn't anti-science to educate people about the fact that some vaccines are still manufactured using cell lines that were created from aborted babies. (the abortions happened half a century ago, and the cells are still kept alive today)
That is 100% true. It is anti-science to hide this fact.
(Score: 3, Informative) by DannyB on Thursday March 14 2019, @03:32PM (17 children)
It is not anti-science to hide that fact, if your reason for doing so is simply to point out that fact.
It is anti-science if pointing that out is for the purpose of casting doubt on the effectiveness of vaccines.
If you're not pointing it out to cast doubt on the effectiveness of vaccines, then why bother to point it out at all?
Off topic . . . maybe it is about aborted babies? I wish there would not be any abortions at all ever. But making them illegal won't stop them. They have always been done. And will continue to be done even if no longer legal or medically safe. I may not like it. You may not like it. I have the compassion to think that if someone is going to make that difficult choice, they shouldn't have to put their life at risk, or at more risk. And as for the 'liberal birth abortions', I think that if someone waits until delivery day to have an abortion, then it is probably a bona fide medical emergency. Someone using an abortion as a form of birth control (which I think should not be done) is not going to wait nine months and then suddenly decide to have an abortion at the last minute. Do people realize the absurdity of that? How difficult it is to carry that child all that time if they really don't want it?
Stupid people exist because nothing in the food chain eats them anymore.
(Score: 2) by DannyB on Thursday March 14 2019, @03:33PM
> It is not anti-science to hide that fact, if your reason for doing so is simply to point out that fact.
I really screwed that sentence up.
Stupid people exist because nothing in the food chain eats them anymore.
(Score: 2) by NotSanguine on Thursday March 14 2019, @05:52PM (2 children)
Oh Danny Boy [youtube.com], given your name (assuming it's not short for Danielle or similar) I'd say that it's really not any of your business what a woman chooses to do with her body.
It's not a public policy issue. It's not a public health issue. It's a personal and very private decision to be made by individuals with a functioning uterus. If you don't have one, it's not really anything with which you need to concern yourself.
No, no, you're not thinking; you're just being logical. --Niels Bohr
(Score: 2) by DannyB on Thursday March 14 2019, @08:07PM (1 child)
There are plenty of other men (hint R's) who are FAR more concerned with what women do with their bodies than I am.
Stupid people exist because nothing in the food chain eats them anymore.
(Score: 3, Insightful) by NotSanguine on Thursday March 14 2019, @08:13PM
Heinlein (as usual) has an appropriate response for that:
No, no, you're not thinking; you're just being logical. --Niels Bohr
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday March 14 2019, @06:07PM (12 children)
The purpose is to cast doubt on the morality of vaccines. By using them, you profit from the killing of an unborn human being.
Well, sort of killing... they are kind of immortal now, being a cell line, but that doesn't count or is possibly worse. A living human has sort of been turned into a factory device or microorganism.
Is the above information to be blocked now? It is not anti-science. It reveals science.
BTW, there is no medical condition that requires a late-term abortion. There are rare conditions that require a premature birth.
(Score: 2) by MostCynical on Thursday March 14 2019, @07:22PM (8 children)
If the mother-to-be is unable to care for herself or the child, either by accident or illness, and an appropriately qualified doctor says that the safety or wellbeing of the mother-to-be is in jeopardy because of the child.. then there is a medical condition requiring late-term abortion.
If there is one, there will be many, but one is enough.
Also, it isn't, and shouldn't be, your decision. It is only the prospective mother's issue, and society should stay out of the way. As it is going to happen anyway, society needs to ensure it haappens as safely as possible, which doesn't include imposing judgement, but does include access to support and doctors.
"I guess once you start doubting, there's no end to it." -Batou, Ghost in the Shell: Stand Alone Complex
(Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday March 14 2019, @08:08PM (4 children)
And because people cannot stick to medically valid reason but use it as a wedge for infanticide at will, those few mothers will have to die. It is much rarer occurrence than occurrence of "I'm a selfish cunt who doesn't want the responsibility."
(Score: 4, Insightful) by NotSanguine on Thursday March 14 2019, @08:15PM (2 children)
Do you have a functioning uterus? No?
Then shut the fuck up.
No, no, you're not thinking; you're just being logical. --Niels Bohr
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday March 15 2019, @06:48AM (1 child)
You're telling me to shut up about a murder just because I'm not present at the scene of the crime.
Pointing this stuff out seems to annoy you, probably because you are a sick fuck and you know it. Killing children for convenience is pure evil.
I think there is only one taboo left. You might as well add some teriyaki sauce and get a fork.
(Score: 2) by NotSanguine on Friday March 15 2019, @09:50AM
You do not control the bodies of others. Don't like that you're not allowed to abridge the rights of others in the US? Too fucking bad.
If it bothers you that much, why don't you move to Gabon, Senegal, Iraq, Angola or some other shithole where people are just as dismissive of the rights of others as you are.
Let's put a really fine point on it. Don't like pregnancy terminations? Don't have one. That's your choice. BUT YOU DO NOT HAVE THE RIGHT TO DECIDE WHAT OTHERS DO WITH THEIR OWN BODIES. Full stop.
You decide what you do with *your own* body. You have no say in others do with theirs.
Don't like abortions? Think they are wrong/evil? Don't have one.
If you think there's a crime in progress, call 911 to report it. Then the cops can laugh at your stupid ass too.
No, no, you're not thinking; you're just being logical. --Niels Bohr
(Score: 3, Informative) by MostCynical on Thursday March 14 2019, @09:50PM
Zygote =/= infant
Blastocyst =/= infant
Foetus =/= infant
infant
Stop conflating.
"I guess once you start doubting, there's no end to it." -Batou, Ghost in the Shell: Stand Alone Complex
(Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday March 14 2019, @08:35PM (2 children)
If the safety or wellbeing of the mother-to-be is in jeopardy because of the child.. then there is a medical condition requiring... BIRTH.
We induce labor or perform a Cesarean section, delivering a cute little baby. If the mother just hates her child, she can give it away.
Also, it isn't, and shouldn't be, your decision. It is only the child's issue, and society should stay out of the way. That includes access to support and doctors.
Society needs to ensure removal happens as safely as possible, which doesn't include deadly actions like ripping arms and legs off or injecting poison.
(Score: 1, Flamebait) by NotSanguine on Thursday March 14 2019, @09:08PM (1 child)
Do you have a functioning uterus? No?
Then shut the fuck up.
No, no, you're not thinking; you're just being logical. --Niels Bohr
(Score: 0, Funny) by Anonymous Coward on Friday March 15 2019, @06:40AM
Are you still in a uterus? No?
Then shut the fuck up.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday March 14 2019, @08:15PM (2 children)
Actually, yes, there are. One case I am familiar with is if the baby has died in the uterus. It happens. I'm sure there are other medically necessary reasons for requiring a late-term abortion. In future, please educate yourself before making such emphatic--and patently wrong--assertions.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday March 14 2019, @08:37PM (1 child)
If the baby has died in the uterus, an abortion is impossible. The only option left is a stillbirth. Assuming the child wasn't deliberately killed, a stillbirth is not an abortion.
(Score: 2) by All Your Lawn Are Belong To Us on Tuesday March 19 2019, @06:47PM
Medically an abortion is a loss of pregnancy before viability and the expulsion of the birth products. It does not matter to the definition why the pregnancy aborted (spontaneous or induced).
I can find you any number of medical sources that assert this if you are unconvinced. Or you can just look at Wikipedia [wikipedia.org]. And the Wikipedia section about "confusion" has more to do with how lay and legal definitions are frequently used which are at odds with the medical definition and so medical practioners become confused when defintions other than the medical standard enter conversation or law. I know of no provider who does not recognize the above definition.
This sig for rent.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday March 14 2019, @03:48PM (2 children)
Science isn't concerned with facts in the layman's sense. To a scientist, a "fact" is just something that there is expert consensus regarding.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday March 14 2019, @05:29PM
I.e. did that paper get in or not.
(Score: 1) by khallow on Thursday March 14 2019, @07:31PM
My expert consensus [*] is that your shit receptacle is 100% full. That makes it a fact!
[*] While I can understand the reader's concern about this consensus of one SN poster, remember I'm an expert in this area and you're not. Thus, one's opinion doesn't have scientific relevance. Unless it happens to agree with my opinion, of course.
TL;DR: layman facts are scientist facts. There's no special category of subjective consensus making that changes that.
Here, the facts are not just that there is some dependence on human cell lines, but also that the diseases being vaccinated against cause a lot more harm than the scenario of harvesting cells from a few aborted fetuses would. Why should we be willing to committed a greater evil to avoid a lesser one?
(Score: 3, Informative) by inertnet on Thursday March 14 2019, @02:59PM (17 children)
Italy bans unvaccinated children from school [bbc.com]
(Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday March 14 2019, @03:11PM (16 children)
Being unvaccinated means you are more resistant to brainwashing and may disturb the class by asking questions.
(Score: 2, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday March 14 2019, @03:26PM (15 children)
No, it's just being fucking stupid. Especially for vaccines that actually work. The only vaccine that doesn't really work well is the flu vaccine, but the rest, it's a fucking no-brainer.
http://mynorthwest.com/1302286/critical-pediatrician-washington-legislation-personal-exemptions/ [mynorthwest.com]
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday March 14 2019, @03:35PM (2 children)
I can't wait to see the mental gymnastics when Trump starts making pro-vaccine noises. All of a sudden the same people will fear and hate vaccines, and want them to be banned.
(Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday March 14 2019, @04:37PM (1 child)
Just because an idiot can be right, doesn't make the right thing wrong, ok? If Trump said he loved vaccines and started a push to mandate all basic vaccines for kids in US without medical cause, then that would just make him that much smaller idiot. He'd still be an idiot though.
Only total idiots act like you propose. Sadly, they probably exist.
(Score: 2) by DannyB on Thursday March 14 2019, @05:36PM
Absolutely.
Trump has made a few decisions* that I approve of. That doesn't mean he isn't an idiot. And possibly a dangerous one.
* what they are is irrelevant
Stupid people exist because nothing in the food chain eats them anymore.
(Score: 2) by fyngyrz on Thursday March 14 2019, @04:08PM (9 children)
It's actually worse than that. It's also actively putting others in increased danger without their informed consent.
It's reasonably comparable to standing in a thin-walled house in a densely populated suburb and blindly firing a high powered weapon in random directions through those walls.
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If attacked by a mob of clowns,
go for the juggler.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday March 14 2019, @04:21PM (8 children)
Everything a person does could put other people "in increased danger without their informed consent". Your post has just pissed someone off somewhere and increased the danger to everyone around them.
It sounds like you are confused between "unvaccinated" and "ill with an infectious disease".
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday March 14 2019, @04:41PM (1 child)
When it comes to most of these diseases, like polio or measles, the two are the same
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday March 14 2019, @06:10PM
In what way?
(Score: 2) by fyngyrz on Thursday March 14 2019, @05:10PM (5 children)
This isn't about some vague, unlikely consequence of unintentional "could" — this is about intentionally does.
No. It's just that you don't understand that not being vaccinated increases the chance of self, and others, becoming ill with an infectious disease in a completely unnecessary way — except for those who are actually allergic to the vaccine and so cannot participate.
The sequence of events is obvious and undeniable without exposing oneself as a complete idiot:
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Eschew Obfuscation.
(Score: 0, Disagree) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday March 14 2019, @06:15PM (4 children)
I don't think you get it. Being alive increases the chance others will get ill, whether vaccinated or not. It would be better to just kill everyone according to your nonsensical reasoning devoid of any quantification or cost-benefit analysis.
There is no way you made it to adulthood while applying this level of reasoning to other aspects of your life, so I am forced to assume you are trolling or brainwashed by some sort of propaganda to say such things.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday March 14 2019, @08:34PM (3 children)
Either you are an idiot or you are being intentionally obtuse. Frankly, neither choice is a particularly attractive look for you. If I'm not mistaken, in legal terms, there is such a thing as "foreseeable harm". (IANAL, so you should check this out for yourself.) Considering the example of a person in a thin-walled house firing out in all directions with a high-powered weapon, most reasonable people can foresee the unacceptably high hazard involved. On the other hand, your asinine assertion that merely being alive presents its own set of risks to everyone else around them shows that you have not thought very much about what either of the words cost or benefit actually means. Consequently, I don't think you are in a position to do any analysis of your options regarding vaccination (or whatever). Just my $0.02 worth.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday March 14 2019, @08:57PM (2 children)
My "asinine assertion" is just what happens if one follows your reasoning to logical conclusion. A person sitting in their own home may as well be shooting a machine gun in random directions according to you, they are such a danger to others.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday March 14 2019, @11:54PM (1 child)
Go back. Reread what I actually wrote. Then, (optionally) respond. Remember: Read. Think. Post. Do not change this order.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday March 15 2019, @03:32AM
I read what you wrote, it was idiotic. You compared a non-sick individual hanging out in their house to someone shooting a machine gun in every direction.
(Score: 1) by khallow on Thursday March 14 2019, @08:45PM (1 child)
One could buy over 16k tetanus shots (assuming $50 per) at that price. Assuming an average lifespan of 80 years and 10 years per shot, that's 2k people immunized for life against tetanus.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday March 14 2019, @08:59PM
It is the "chargemaster price" totally unconnected to reality. They are just random numbers on a piece of paper so idiots can point to how much healthcare they (or in this case someone else) got.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday March 14 2019, @06:45PM (2 children)
Let's go further...
Free market, proven misinformation. So most of ads for "so muh financial gain" down.
All appearance-related products. It's known that most of them do not work, especially if it's a targeted ad towards specifically ugly people.
Anti-smoking campaigns. There are papers showing that cigarettes with filter are healthy as... they disinfect respiratory tract. And no, it's not some pay-to-publish paper printed who knows where, it's in reviewed scientific journals. They were around until 1970s.
So, what next: Religion. Know how it works, can be shot at first sight with these "misinformation" criteria.
And of course democracy.
So, there is a hope, we may end with an ad-less Internet.
In the meantime if you try to debunk these "heavy metals" hypothesis and you ask medical companies are there any of these metals used in production, what are their devices composed of, you get only lawyer's barking full of mafia-like threats and non legally binding lies like "good practices".
(Score: 1) by khallow on Thursday March 14 2019, @08:46PM (1 child)
And?
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday March 14 2019, @10:04PM
Or!
(Score: 2) by Gaaark on Friday March 15 2019, @01:34PM
A few people die or end up with problems with vaccinations, but they are anti-vaxxers and need to die!
A few people die or end up with problems in 9/11, but they is heroes and terrorists need to die and EVERYONE'S rights need to be taken away!
The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few or the one: unless America needs to invade a foreign country and create a privacy black hole.
If you want to be vaccinated, that is your right: if you don't, don't you have the same right to say no and the freedom of speech to say so? That IS the American way....no?
--- Please remind me if I haven't been civil to you: I'm channeling MDC. I have always been here. ---Gaaark 2.0 --