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Remember when executive overreach was a thing?

Journal by DeathMonkey

Well the good news is that most congresscritters do, and Trump's fake-ass emergency was rejected.

41 Republican Senators and 182 Republican House Representatives, on the other hand, just proved how completely full of crap they are.

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  • (Score: 4, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Friday March 15 2019, @12:36AM (10 children)

    by Anonymous Coward on Friday March 15 2019, @12:36AM (#814559)

    Then let's compare the two. Here are Obama's emergencies:

    Declaration of a National Emergency With Respect to the 2009 H1N1 Influenza Pandemic (Proclamation 8443)[80] – empowered the secretary of Health and Human Services to issue waivers allowing overcrowded hospitals to move swine flu patients to satellite facilities or other hospitals.[82]
    Blocking Property of Certain Persons Contributing to the Conflict in Somalia (Executive Order 13536)[83] – intended to help combat Somali pirates.[4]
    Blocking Property and Prohibiting Certain Transactions Related to Libya (Executive Order 13566)[84] – imposed sanctions on Muammar Gaddafi, his family, and Libyan officials after protestors were killed by government forces, including freezing assets and consideration of prosecution for war crimes.[85]
    Blocking Property of Transnational Criminal Organizations (Executive Order 13581)[86] – levied sanctions against four criminal organizations—Los Zetas, the Brothers' Circle, the Yakuza, and the Camorra—including freezing assets, barring ownership of American real estate, and implementing travel bans.[87]
    Blocking Property of Persons Threatening the Peace, Security, or Stability of Yemen (Executive Order 13611)[88] – intended to counter unrest in Yemen in the aftermath of the Yemeni Revolution.[4]
    Blocking Property of the Government of the Russian Federation Relating to the Disposition of Highly Enriched Uranium Extracted From Nuclear Weapons (Executive Order 13617)[89] – imposed sanctions on Russia over the disposal of highly enriched uranium.
    Blocking Property of Certain Persons Contributing to the Situation in Ukraine (Executive Order 13660)[91] – imposed sanctions, including restricting visas, in concert with the European Union and the international community against Russia after its Annexation of Crimea by the Russian Federation.[92][93] Amended on March 16, 2014 (Executive Order 13661),[94] March 20, 2014 (Executive Order 13662),[95] and December 19, 2014 (Executive Order 13685)[96] to expand the scope of sanctions.
    Blocking Property of Certain Persons With Respect to South Sudan (Executive Order 13664)[97] – enabled economic sanctions to be placed due to the civil war in South Sudan; sanctions were first imposed a month later.[98]
    Blocking Property of Certain Persons Contributing to the Conflict in the Central African Republic (Executive Order 13667)[99] – imposed sanctions against former Central African Republic president François Bozizé, following similar sanctions placed on Bozizé by the United Nations Security Council the previous week;[100] also contains provisions against the use of child soldiers.[29]
    Blocking Property and Suspending Entry of Certain Persons Contributing to the Situation in Venezuela (Executive Order 13692)[101] – imposed sanctions on seven high-ranking Venezuelan government officials, including SEBIN director Gustavo Enrique González López, PNB director Manuel Perez, and CVG head Justo Noguero.[102][103]
    Blocking the Property of Certain Persons Engaging in Significant Malicious Cyber-Enabled Activities (Executive Order 13694)[104] – intended to allow sanctions to be levied on foreign individuals determined by the Department of the Treasury to have engaged in cyber-crime or cyber-terrorism; was in the works for two years.[105]

    And here is Trump:

    Blocking Property of Certain Persons Contributing to the Situation in Burundi (Executive Order 13712)[106] – imposed sanctions on four Burundi nationals—minister of public security Alain Guillaume Bunyoni, National Police of Burundi deputy director-general Godefroid Bizimana, Godefroid Niyombare, and Cyrille Ndayirukiye—in the wake of widespread unrest.[107]
    Blocking the Property of Persons Involved in Serious Human Rights Abuse or Corruption (Executive Order 13818)[108] – imposed sanctions due to the Rohingya conflict in Myanmar, specifically against general Maung Maung Soe;[109] works in tandem with the Global Magnitsky Human Rights Accountability Act.[29]
    Imposing Certain Sanctions in the Event of Foreign Interference in a United States Election (Executive Order 13848)[110] – intended to enable automatic sanctions in response to election interference;[111][112] intelligence agencies are given 45 days after an election to assess any possible interference.[29]
    Blocking Property of Certain Persons Contributing to the Situation in Nicaragua (Executive Order 13851)[113] – announces certain sanctions against current and former Daniel Ortega government officials engaging in human rights abuse or corruption.[114]
    Declaring a National Emergency Concerning the Southern Border of the United States (Proclamation 9844)[115] – seeks to divert $8 billion of funds, which were previously allocated to other programs, to build a wall on the southern border of the United States, which the order calls a "major entry point for criminals, gang members, and illicit narcotics" into the United States.[116][117][118]

    You may notice that all of those emergencies except for two, one Obama and one Trump, are related to sanctions against "bad guys." Obama's emergency declaration dealt with one of the worst outbreaks of the flu we've had in decades and allowed for waivers to be issued until the already introduced law allowing them completed its journey through Congress. Trump's is an emergency declaration that allows a one-time diversion of funds that the Congress explicitly denied. Those two are totally different beasts.

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  • (Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Friday March 15 2019, @12:52AM (9 children)

    by The Mighty Buzzard (18) <themightybuzzard@proton.me> on Friday March 15 2019, @12:52AM (#814568) Homepage Journal

    What I notice is that they're both trying to do congress's job because they can't be bothered to stop calling each other Hitler for five minutes and agree on anything, at all, ever. From Trump and the people who voted for him's perspective, this is a much more real emergency than anything Obama signed. It's arguably a more real emergency than anything Obama signed even from a disinterested perspective being as it relates directly to the sovereignty and security of the nation in multiple ways.

    I'm not saying I agree with it or don't agree with it but if you can't see why it might at least arguably be a more valid use of the emergency powers granted him, it's because you're far too caught up in cheering on your tribe and booing the other team.

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    • (Score: 5, Insightful) by Azuma Hazuki on Friday March 15 2019, @01:10AM (8 children)

      by Azuma Hazuki (5086) on Friday March 15 2019, @01:10AM (#814577) Journal

      Except if you really want to solve the illegal immigration and drugs problems, instead of a border wall, you want to:

      1) Beef up security at legal ports of entry, many of which are nowhere near the border
      2) Crack down on visa fraud, since more illegals are in here due to overstaying a visa than sneaking in without one, and
      3) By far the most important, come down like ten tons of rectangular red building-things on any company hiring illegals for labor.

      We know none of those are ever going to happen, especially not #3 given how much money illegals are making due to their complete lack of rights. Pull your head out, and try not to shred your rectum on the sharp edge of your beak while doing it...

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      • (Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Friday March 15 2019, @04:13AM (2 children)

        by The Mighty Buzzard (18) <themightybuzzard@proton.me> on Friday March 15 2019, @04:13AM (#814663) Homepage Journal

        Right but we're not talking optimal solution here, we're talking is he correct to go with whatever solution he thinks is going to help with a problem that he sees. The viability of the solution and the reality of the problem aren't the issue and you can't really make them the issue until after the fact if this is a power you want to remain with the executive branch. Personally, I don't. I think we should give it back to congress and force them to get off their dead asses and do their job once in a while instead of giving the President every power that they haven't already carved out for some czar or other.

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        • (Score: 1) by khallow on Saturday March 16 2019, @02:33AM (1 child)

          by khallow (3766) on Saturday March 16 2019, @02:33AM (#815221) Journal

          we're talking is he correct to go with whatever solution he thinks is going to help with a problem that he sees.

          I doubt that he believes a wall on the Mexican border will fix anything. It's just something he can deliver by 2020.

      • (Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Friday March 15 2019, @02:57PM (4 children)

        by Runaway1956 (2926) on Friday March 15 2019, @02:57PM (#814789) Homepage Journal

        I won't exactly argue against any of that. But, in Tucson, Arizona, the Pima County coroner says he recovers an average of five bodies PER WEEK. Fewer in the winter, more in the summer, average, five bodies PER WEEK. For humanitarian reasons alone, our greatest efforts at cracking down on immigration should be at the border.

        Keep in mind now - that is just ONE border county. I've never looked to see how many US counties border on Mexico. That is, I don't know how many times to multiply those five bodies PER WEEK.

        Close the god damned border, stop enticing people to make that run, for the promise of welfare and maybe a decent job. The number of people who die trying to sneak through an airport are microscopic, compared to the dead people at the southern border. And, to sweeten things up for you - the dead are women as often as not.

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jQPXNu3KHRw [youtube.com]

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        • (Score: 2) by Azuma Hazuki on Saturday March 16 2019, @04:50AM (3 children)

          by Azuma Hazuki (5086) on Saturday March 16 2019, @04:50AM (#815302) Journal

          Don't you dare try and make this sound like some sort of self-propelled humanitarian crisis. There wouldn't *be* such a crisis if the US hadn't had a century-old-plus history of meddling in Latin America and, as stated above, an insatiable hunger for effectively slave labor from these people.

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          • (Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Saturday March 16 2019, @01:25PM (2 children)

            by Runaway1956 (2926) on Saturday March 16 2019, @01:25PM (#815422) Homepage Journal

            You are often an arrogant little bitch - but don't YOU DARE to tell me what I dare. I dare, and if you insist, I can whip out my Humanitarian Awards to trump all of your bullshit stories.

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            • (Score: 2) by Azuma Hazuki on Saturday March 16 2019, @05:52PM

              by Azuma Hazuki (5086) on Saturday March 16 2019, @05:52PM (#815524) Journal

              Eat shit. They gave Dubya and Obama Nobel Peace Prizes, so at this point I don't trust *anything* along the lines of "humanitarian awards."

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            • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday March 16 2019, @06:26PM

              by Anonymous Coward on Saturday March 16 2019, @06:26PM (#815533)

              Meltdown! Meltdown! Meltdown!
              You can dooo eeeet Runaway! We believe in youuuuuu!!

              MELTDOWWWNNNNNNN!!!!