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Christchurch shootings at two mosques leave 49 dead, Australian arrested in relation to terror attack
At least one gunman with a semi-automatic weapon attacked worshippers gathering for Friday prayers in two locations: a mosque at Deans Avenue in central Christchurch and another mosque in the nearby suburb of Linwood.
Australian Prime Minister Scott Morrison confirmed one of the people taken into custody was an Australian-born citizen.
The ABC has identified Grafton man Brenton Tarrant as the man visible in livestreamed footage of the attack.
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Two improvised explosive devices (IEDs) were found on a nearby vehicle, but defence force officers disarmed one and are still working on disarming the second.
stuff.co.nz - Black Caps v Bangladesh [cricket] test cancelled after gunmen attack Christchurch mosques
The test match between the Black Caps and Bangladesh will not go ahead.
The Bangladesh cricket team escaped the Christchurch mosque near Hagley Park where a mass shooting took place on Friday. They were due to play New Zealand a short distance away at Hagley Oval on Saturday.
stuff.co.nz - live coverage
* A gunman walked into a mosque on Deans Ave, Christchurch carrying a semi-automatic weapon and opened fire. He live streamed the attack.
* A second shooting occurred at a mosque in Linwood.
* At least 49 people were dead as of 9pm - 41 at the Central Mosque, 7 at Linwood Mosque, 1 in Christchurch Hospital.
* 48 people are in hospital with gunshots wounds as of 9pm, including young children. Other injured went to medical centres.
* A 28-year-old man has been charged with murder and is due to appear in the Christchurch District Court on Saturday morning.
* He was arrested on Brougham St in a car which had explosives and guns inside.
El Grauniad - Rightwing extremist wrote manifesto before livestreaming Christchurch shooting
The man who livestreamed himself attacking a Christchurch mosque and murdering at least 40 people identified himself online before the rampage as Australian citizen Brenton Tarrant.
On a now-deleted Twitter account, Tarrant posted multiple photos of what appear to be machine gun magazines and a link to what is being described as a manifesto for his actions.
The 74-page document starts off quoting a Dylan Thomas poem, Do not go gentle into that good night, and then moves onto a rant about white genocide.
Tarrant outlines his motivations: including to “create an atmosphere of fear” and to “incite violence” against Muslims while offering up autobiographical details.
(Score: 1, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Friday March 15 2019, @08:05PM (2 children)
Kebab Removed
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-newzealand-shootout-internet/new-zealand-mosque-attackers-plan-began-and-ended-online-idUSKCN1QW1MV [reuters.com]
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/03/15/world/asia/new-zealand-gunman-christchurch.html [nytimes.com]
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday March 16 2019, @05:31AM
NZ leader goes muslim following shootings. Well, NZ is screwed now. Time for a leadership change.
(Score: 2) by legont on Saturday March 16 2019, @03:36PM
Can be heard here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pZOYAGL1Uts [youtube.com]
"Wealth is the relentless enemy of understanding" - John Kenneth Galbraith.
(Score: 1, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Friday March 15 2019, @08:10PM (9 children)
The killer used a maximum level of internet culture references and claimed "right-wing" motives. But his actions didn't help his alleged side, so who was he working for?
And where do you get illegal guns in NZ?
No one is crazy. There is always a reason.
(Score: 2, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Friday March 15 2019, @08:15PM (4 children)
spoken like a true crazy person...
(Score: 1, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Friday March 15 2019, @08:29PM (3 children)
Just standard conspiracy theory thinking.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday March 15 2019, @10:53PM (2 children)
That's what he just said.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday March 15 2019, @11:05PM (1 child)
She said it too.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday March 16 2019, @10:57AM
That's what they want you to think.
(Score: 2, Funny) by Anonymous Coward on Friday March 15 2019, @08:41PM
This has CIA all over it... right down to the lone gunman.
(Score: 4, Insightful) by cmdrklarg on Friday March 15 2019, @08:46PM (2 children)
Bullshit. People in their right minds don't do shit like this.
Sure. It's just that his reasoning is badly, badly broken.
Answer now is don't give in; aim for a new tomorrow.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday March 15 2019, @10:14PM (1 child)
Following that logic all mass murderers should be released from jail since they weren't in their right minds when they committed/attempted those acts of terror.
(Score: 1) by khallow on Saturday March 16 2019, @01:00AM
I think the burden is higher than that. The defense would have to show that the mass murderer didn't know the difference between right and wrong or something similar, not merely that the guy uses kooky reasoning.
(Score: 5, Informative) by looorg on Friday March 15 2019, @09:06PM (34 children)
As all good nutjubs he needs a manifesto. As far as recent once go his ain't bad, it's fairly short and he seem to be somewhat on point and it doesn't appear to be a massive cut-n-paste-job like the one that Breivik produced as he tries to explain his world views and what needs to be done according to him. As a summary it seems that if only all the muslims go back to the middle east and know their place he is going to be cool with that.
That said he is clearly not on the level of Ted Kaczynski as far as manifestos goes, comparing the two you can see the difference between an educated thinking mind and one that isn't firing on all cylinder.
His manifesto, for however long that link lasts.
https://pastebin.com/bzZyMduP [pastebin.com]
Kaczynski / Unabomber manifesto
https://archive.nytimes.com/www.nytimes.com/library/national/unabom-manifesto-1.html [nytimes.com]
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday March 15 2019, @09:19PM (4 children)
He raises some interesting points that are well supported by historical precedents, but it's hard to take him seriously when he's in the PewDiePie camp.
(Score: 2) by looorg on Friday March 15 2019, @09:28PM (3 children)
I would agree that there are interesting aspects in it. If anything really drags it down it's his little Q&A session, I assume he is trying to be funny or just taking the piss out of people alternatively he is trying to speak with his target audience (young people and internet trolls?). It seems in part as if he was raised on internet memes and 4ch-type places. Silly references to PewDiePie and Fortnite sort of seem to put him in that corner.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday March 15 2019, @09:59PM (2 children)
He's a psychopath, he's deliberately implicating them - Observe. [mirror.co.uk]
(Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Saturday March 16 2019, @02:45AM (1 child)
The dumbass went to a nuthouse to open a gym, and shook hands with one of the nuts. WTF? He likes nuts, or he doesn't like nuts, what's the difference? He went to a nuthouse, but he didn't expect to meet nuts? Crazy fucks to crazy things, like cutting themselves, cutting other people, all sorts of batshit crazy stuff.
Abortion is the number one killed of children in the United States.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday March 16 2019, @02:55AM
Where's RealDonaldTrump when we need him? This guy [telegraph.co.uk] has nothing on Jeffery Epstein.
(Score: 4, Insightful) by hemocyanin on Friday March 15 2019, @09:28PM (10 children)
I've read a few manifestos before. It seems that invariably, the press describes them as "rambling" even if not actually the case.
(Score: 2) by looorg on Friday March 15 2019, @09:42PM
I would say that is probably true. A possible reason could be that they are usually against the system and the press is part of the system so the press is not about to print the manifesto of some mass-murderer and at the same time tell all their readers/viewers that this guy has some solid points in his reasoning. Another one could quite frankly be the level of education, as an example Kaczynski was an educated genius while these newer once has at best been written by mediocre high school graduates (or equivalent) that have no experience in writing or composing a longer supportive text with a clear line of reasoning from start to finish. Instead you get these cut-n-paste word-processed hatchet jobs where there really isn't much of a filter between thought and what gets pushed out via the keyboard, there isn't much time spent thinking about it and probably not any actual rewrites, so it comes of as rambling by comparison -- or in some cases they actually are just ramblings.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday March 15 2019, @09:52PM (8 children)
I have to say this one is. I've read Elliot Rodger's manifesto, and it was much more coherent than this piece. I was surprised that George Soros wasn't mentioned. He did talk about the "resurrected Knights Templar" and "Knight Justiciar Breivik" giving him "the blessing for this attack".
MSM will be sure to try to link it with Trump, who got a brief mention. Some of the partisan trash here is already running off on those lines.
Thanks to loorg for posting the link, before our "gatekeepers" had a chance to hide it.
(Score: 2) by looorg on Friday March 15 2019, @10:08PM (1 child)
If I'm reading this correctly he claims to have been in contact with Breivik, even tho only briefly. Basically he would have to have been penpals with Anders? And he isn't on some kind of watch-list after that? Or should that be interpreted as the brother knights on behalf of Breivik sanctioning it? Either way it brings up this Knights Templar idea or fantasy. Breivik wrote a fair bit about it and claimed to be part of it but I guess it was always assumed that it was mostly a complete fabrication and part of his own imagination. So shared fantasies or actual people?
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday March 15 2019, @10:24PM
I understood out of that, that he contacted some people who called themselves the Knights Templar, who put him in contact with Breivik, and the two then phoned/wrote each other.
Norway may have been honoring Breivik's (and this guy's) privacy, but intelligence agencies are probably going to have some questions and "suggestions" to the Norwegian prison service.
(Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Saturday March 16 2019, @02:21AM (5 children)
O'Crazio-Cortez already linked it to the NRA and to people who use phrases like "thoughts and prayers". https://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2019/03/luis-valdes/alexandria-ocasio-cortez-attacks-the-nra-for-the-new-zealand-mosque-shootings/ [thetruthaboutguns.com]
Abortion is the number one killed of children in the United States.
(Score: 3, Touché) by aristarchus on Saturday March 16 2019, @03:22AM (4 children)
Shut the fuch up, Runaway, or I will start a prayer circle aimed in your general direction. We will pray you grow a brain. Unfortunately, we are all atheists.
(Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday March 16 2019, @04:54AM (2 children)
Can atheists have morals?
Sure. You can build a house without a foundation. Just hope for no earthquakes.
(Score: 1, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday March 16 2019, @11:20AM
Only atheists can have morals, religious nutjobs just follow commands.
(Score: 2) by Azuma Hazuki on Saturday March 16 2019, @05:58PM
Wheee, moral epistemology! Tell us where morals come from, O Believer. I may not be an atheist but I know for damn sure the answer isn't "the Abrahamic God."
I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...
(Score: 2) by Azuma Hazuki on Saturday March 16 2019, @05:08AM
Even if you weren't, not for nothing is it said "against stupidity the gods themselves contend in vain."
I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...
(Score: 5, Insightful) by melikamp on Friday March 15 2019, @10:06PM (17 children)
What I found very interesting is that NZ police is asking the footage of the attack not to be shared online:
According to some other stuff i read (WaPo?) NZ police is also warning that sharing this footage may be illegal. Even the manifesto, which looorg suspects won't be up forever, is probably going to suffer a similar fate.
I have a message for NZ police, when it comes to this narrow issue: fuck you. You don't want disturbing footage to be "shared" via social media? Then make a goddamn web library of disturbing footage on your own servers, at taxpayer's expense, and let us (the public) share unoffensive links to that library. Actually, if people knew you and/or some journalist outlet are hosting this stuff, they wouldn't be sharing jack in the first place. They are resorting to the social media because the rest of the media is blacking it out. I don't believe we can have an honest and informed discussion about white nazi terrorism when sharing documentary footage is against the law. I understand all that monkey see monkey do reasoning, but I am not buying it. This ship has sailed the moment internet came to town, and these attempts at censorship are just pathetic, and send the wrong message.
(Score: 1, Flamebait) by c0lo on Friday March 15 2019, @11:01PM (16 children)
Personal question, just from curiosity: what do you expect you'll find of value in the footage/manifesto?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aoFiw2jMy-0
(Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday March 16 2019, @12:37AM (1 child)
What is the value of even discussing this terrorism event at all? Bad thing happened, you're told to believe it is bad, that is all to it. Stand down and await further instructions.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday March 16 2019, @12:53AM
Fuck off. That's not an answer to the raised question, the question still stands.
(Score: 2, Flamebait) by Runaway1956 on Saturday March 16 2019, @02:27AM (3 children)
One might expect to find some understanding of a human mind in the manifesto - however right or wrong that mind is.
And, you might expect to see, and to learn, just how horrible a massacre is, from the video. Some people might learn compassion for the victims. Others might learn to hate the perp. We do have a problem with the media, in that they sanitize everything, interpret it for us, and tell us what to think. Some thinking people might draw different conclusions than some suited penis wrinkle sitting in an office has told us to draw.
"Beware he who would deny you access to information for in his heart he dreams himself your master."
Why do you ask? Do your masters disapprove of this information?
Abortion is the number one killed of children in the United States.
(Score: 2, Troll) by c0lo on Saturday March 16 2019, @03:15AM
Ah, I see you like pop culture.
FTFY
Is your short memory failing so badly, Runaway? 'cause just before the question there are exactly 3 words explaining why.
Oh! you were finished? Well allow me to retort [youtube.com].
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aoFiw2jMy-0
(Score: 0, Flamebait) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday March 16 2019, @05:20AM (1 child)
Compassion? Are you serious? Centuries worth of murder and slavery by muslims is in no way balanced by this act.
Historian K. S. Lal in his book Theory and Practice of Muslim State in India claims that between the years 1000 AD and 1500 AD, the population of the Indian subcontinent decreased from 200 to 170 million. In Growth of Muslim Population in Medieval India meanwhile he claimed that it fell from 200 million to 120 million by establishment of the Mughal empire because of killings, deportations, dissemination, wars, and famines. He stated that his estimates were tentative and did not claim any finality. Will Durant calls the Muslim conquest of India "probably the bloodiest story in history". During this period, Buddhism declined rapidly while Hinduism faced military-led and Sultanates-sponsored religious violence.
If you want an opinion on what muslims are really like you can ask a Hindu [wikipedia.org].
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday March 16 2019, @07:00AM
"And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?"
FTFY
(Score: 3, Interesting) by darkfeline on Saturday March 16 2019, @02:48AM (2 children)
It's important for the historical record. Nothing good had ever come out of suppressing history, just look at the historical record. Ah, of course if history has been suppressed, you wouldn't have known that.
Join the SDF Public Access UNIX System today!
(Score: 2) by c0lo on Saturday March 16 2019, @03:23AM (1 child)
If you say?
I wonder how much you believe you know the present, much less the history.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aoFiw2jMy-0
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday March 16 2019, @07:37AM
History is usually written by the winners. In some rare cases the losers get to have their say and survive to pass it down to the next generation.
The Nazi were famous for trying to destroy history with book burning. Muslims have done the same. You win, you get to describe what happened. Those who come after will just have to take your word for it.
(Score: 4, Insightful) by melikamp on Saturday March 16 2019, @03:11AM (1 child)
(Score: 2) by c0lo on Saturday March 16 2019, @03:18AM
Thanks.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aoFiw2jMy-0
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday March 16 2019, @07:52AM (1 child)
If for nothing else it may show why he did this
Nothing says anyone else has to go on a killing rampage
It's like the guy thought this was centuries ago when anyone could just travel to another land to slaughter as they like
At least the guy didn't try to force them to convert to another religion [christiantoday.com]
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday March 16 2019, @08:06AM
Oh, wow, what a magnanimous character. Let's sanctify him, name him one of Hitler's apostles; you see, neither Hitler tried forced religious conversions.
(Score: 2) by realDonaldTrump on Monday March 18 2019, @04:29PM (2 children)
Michael Bay's remake of Texas Chainsaw Massacre grossed $80 million.
(Score: 2) by c0lo on Monday March 18 2019, @04:42PM (1 child)
Oh, wow! You convinced me, that's an impressive value, yes.
I wonder how much one can get for the Christchurch Massacre video assuming it can secure the copyright?
And, if the copyright is impossible to secure... maaybee an astute entrepreneur can organize another massacre? Not like the initial investment is high.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aoFiw2jMy-0
(Score: 2) by realDonaldTrump on Tuesday March 19 2019, @01:24PM
The Copyright, I think, belongs to whoever shot the "tape." Who was the same one that shot the people. Find the videographer and you find the killer, right? We have to go see Peter Jackson and a lot of different people that really understand what's happening. The top New Zealand movie -- or video people. We have to talk to them about, what's really going on in this "tape."
And, something interesting. So many folks go to see our very violent movies, play our violent Video Games. And that makes them go out and kill, kill kill. But somebody went out and killed -- a lot. Made this amazing "tape." And maybe the New Zealand "tape" will bring people back to our movie theaters. So hopefully some good will come out of it. Great for economy. Condolences to N.Z. & the survivors!
(Score: 3, Interesting) by DannyB on Friday March 15 2019, @09:17PM (11 children)
For some reason, it seems off the table to even try to discuss any kind of common sense measures.
Clearly there are individuals who should not have guns.
When Columbine school shooting happened, we were promised "This will never happen again" but how many school shootings have there been? And other shootings such as this one? And nightclubs.
I'm not trying to take away all of your guns.
If you think a fertilized egg is a child but an immigrant child is not, please don't pretend your concerns are religious
(Score: 1, Touché) by Anonymous Coward on Friday March 15 2019, @09:22PM (8 children)
Dude, no one in New Zealand is allowed to have guns and this tragedy still happened. If those Muslims had been carrying, the death toll would have been a lot lower. Arm the Muslims now!
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday March 15 2019, @09:38PM
Didn't the second mosque shoot back? That is what heard at least, but I haven't seen that in any of the news coverage.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday March 15 2019, @09:40PM (1 child)
Completely wrong. [nationalreview.com] Somebody at the second mosque returned home to retrieve a firearm, fired back in self defense and the death toll was lower. Gun control advocates in the MSM will not tell you that.
(Score: -1, Flamebait) by Anonymous Coward on Friday March 15 2019, @10:33PM
Fired back in self defense... but missed. We should sign Muslims up for target practice courses. Of course that might backfire next time one of those camel-fuckers decides to go jihadi on the USA. Maybe the easiest solution is to move them all back to Saudi Arabia.
(Score: 4, Interesting) by isostatic on Friday March 15 2019, @09:42PM (1 child)
There's 1 gun for every 4 people in NZ, they don't have to be registered. In addition, there is no ban on semi-automatic weapons like in other civilized countries.
I suspect that tougher gun laws will come out of this.
(Score: 2, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Friday March 15 2019, @09:55PM
From the manifesto:
Seven mentions of baby boomers in that text...
(Score: 4, Informative) by MostCynical on Friday March 15 2019, @09:50PM
er - not true:
Article on Sydney Morning Herald on NZ gun laws [smh.com.au]
"I guess once you start doubting, there's no end to it." -Batou, Ghost in the Shell: Stand Alone Complex
(Score: 1, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Friday March 15 2019, @10:33PM
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-47584603 [bbc.com]
You are fucking lousy at spreading fake news. But then not telling the truth does not seem to stop Faux News, Bretfart, nor our wacky POTUS.
(Score: 2) by number11 on Saturday March 16 2019, @05:35AM
Then how come the perp had a NZ gun license? He could have a license but not a gun?
(Score: 1) by Sulla on Friday March 15 2019, @10:00PM
Well thats probably because columbine happened after they banned the guns used in columbine.
Ceterum censeo Sinae esse delendam
(Score: 3, Insightful) by srobert on Saturday March 16 2019, @12:56AM
"Clearly there are individuals who should not have guns."
Why do you hate America?
(Score: 3, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Friday March 15 2019, @09:37PM (1 child)
Note the lack of the usual suspects on this story, I guess ignoring right wing terrorism lets them continue walking the MAGA path.
(Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday March 16 2019, @02:32AM
They are sitting back at the moment, watching you carrion eaters party.
(Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Friday March 15 2019, @11:09PM (4 children)
Muslims killed in Christchurch. Christ... Church... wtf were Mohammed fanboys doing there?
(Score: 1, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Friday March 15 2019, @11:37PM
Planning a jihad?
(Score: 2, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday March 16 2019, @12:08AM
Well, CHCH was set up as an Anglican model town back when England has colonies. Dunedin was the Presbyterian model, down the road. But after WW2, New Zealand got into women not needing men anymore as the guys went off to fight and someone had to keep the lights on and earn the bacon back home. Then there was a wave of New Age delusion that still lingers. Christchurch even got its own wizard (more witchcraft & new age), and the cathedral would hold flower shows instead of church services. They should have changed the name to Wedontbelieveabloodythinganymore but that is i) too long, and ii) tradition says to keep the town name once you have it. And then the quakes of 2011 which made it the depression, corruption and suicide capital.
(Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday March 16 2019, @12:28AM
Peacefully going on about their lives like most everyone else. Well, that is until some nutjob shot up their places of worship. What's that? You thought that Christchurch was closed off to anyone not a Christian? Christians don't typically do the Mecca thing, barring "infidels" from an entire city/country. Just so you know.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday March 16 2019, @01:13AM
I don't think you understand the meaning of "irony".
(Score: 5, Insightful) by shortscreen on Saturday March 16 2019, @01:40AM (6 children)
If the attacker was rightwing, does everyone who is rightwing share the blame? If the attacker was muslim, does everyone who is muslim share the blame?
Note that these labels, like many other ones, are extremely broad and ambiguous. (In terms of religious/social values, muslims could even be considered rightwing.) But that doesn't stop some people from arguing in favor of spreading the blame. Although sadly, the specific people and their position varies depending on which group is being discussed. Anyone who tends to view an issue as "us vs. them" and takes a side will overlook the hypocrisy of their own side. But they'll all see the hypocrisy of the other side, and this results in a positive feedback loop of lowering standards for one's own behavior and logic. Pretty soon you have partisan retardation and identity politics everywhere.
So I'm wondering, what is the alternative? You can't get everyone to agree on everything. You can't edit the quran to remove every line that may be objectionable to non-muslims. You can't get non-muslim westerners to stop making dumb comments like "we should nuke the middle east and turn it all to glass." I think the only thing to be done is to resist the urge to consider one perpetrator as representative of a group. Even if an attacker identifies as part of a group, those other people are still not the ones who pulled the trigger (of course, if they provided material aid for the purpose that would be a different story).
I'm sure AC will be along to say that THEIR_SIDE is squeaky clean, and that I must be a member of OTHER_SIDE. Anyone have any different thoughts?
(Score: 2) by TheFool on Saturday March 16 2019, @01:51AM (1 child)
The alternative is to start dealing with people as people again, rather than people as labels.
These aren't "Muslims" being attacked by "a right-wing nut job", these are neighbors being attacked by a neighbor in Christchurch. It is a problem for the people of Christchurch to deal with, even if it appears on the surface to be a similar problem to what others are dealing with because of the overuse of labels. If you can't trust your neighbor not to kill you, what kind of shithole do you live in?
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday March 16 2019, @02:46AM
The foundation of Western liberalism no less. The muslim community in Christchurch proffered extensive help and support to the wider community after the 2011 earthquakes. Identity politics is taking us down a dark path.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday March 16 2019, @03:49AM
You forgot the attacker was Australian. Or did you censor that information on purpose?
(point: end playing identity politics is necessary, but not sufficient)
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday March 16 2019, @11:25AM (2 children)
Not all right wingers are terrorist but 90% of terrorists in the past 10 years are right wing. You consider that uninteresting?
(Score: 2) by shortscreen on Saturday March 16 2019, @02:21PM (1 child)
What if 100% of terrorists were rightwing? How does that information help you stop terrorism?
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday March 16 2019, @05:27PM
You increase policing of that group, of course.
(Score: 2) by Phoenix666 on Saturday March 16 2019, @05:02AM (2 children)
I was surprised to learn there are mosques in Christchurch. 20 years ago that town, apart from the Maori, was as white as the driven snow. In between NZ has worked really hard to keep all immigrants out. They have required an investment of a million dollars or so to consider you for citizenship. Yet, somehow enough muslims got in to make it down to Christchurch and acquire numbers big enough to have mosques?
My Kiwi friends told me NZ didn't allow immigrants because they wanted to preserve their identity as a fusion of European and Maori traditions; it put my nose out of joint a little because it's such an amazing country, but I had to concede they do have something special, worthy of protection. So it's perplexing that they would let people from the Middle East in, when they really don't have much brook with either European or Maori traditions.
Washington DC delenda est.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday March 16 2019, @01:36PM (1 child)
I can't be sure but the Muslims that made it to NZ or Australia are probably not middle eastern to a large extent but instead "boat-refugees" from south east Asia.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday March 16 2019, @10:13PM
Oh, noes. Aboriginal Muslim population doubles in 10 years [wikipedia.org]
(Score: 3, Insightful) by Azuma Hazuki on Saturday March 16 2019, @05:14AM (2 children)
This fucking whackaloon is trying to burn it all down to save it. And we all know how well that worked in Viet Nam, now don't we...?
I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday March 16 2019, @12:03PM (1 child)
No idea what he's trying to save with the fascistic ideology of total war. He at least stopped short of directly name checking you :o [twitter.com]
Tim Pool did a decent (if depressing) video [youtube.com] on the motivations of this nutjob. While you got it, I'm leaving the link here for others who may not be clear on what is meant by "accelerationist".
(Score: 2) by Azuma Hazuki on Saturday March 16 2019, @05:56PM
This forum has a few accelerationists too, though I suspect that some of them don't consciously realize what it is they're doing. Regardless, they've won for the moment: I felt us slip off the cliff and go into free fall more than a year ago and civil war is now a matter of when, not if.
I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...
(Score: 5, Interesting) by darkfeline on Saturday March 16 2019, @08:05AM (1 child)
I think the scariest thing about this shooting is how fast it is being censored. As an experiment, try to find the original stream of the shooting. You don't have to watch it, just try to find a copy. You'll probably have a bit of difficulty, because it's been blocked from most of the obvious places (Google, YouTube, Reddit, DuckDuckGo, Bing, etc. You might find it with DDG/Bing if you're lucky with your search terms and dig into the results past the news coverage).
Somehow, this video was taken down very quickly, and I find that much scarier than the shooting itself. Imagine if this was something like Tiananmen, but it was reported as "terrorists that were repressed". Any video evidence is gone, or at least certainly out of the reach of 99% of the population.
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(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday March 16 2019, @11:29AM
Welcome to the centralized www, where we have an oligopoly of say 10 operators handling 99% of traffic. Ironically enough the same apparatus is probably to blame for indoctrinating and triggering this madman.
(Score: 2) by PinkyGigglebrain on Saturday March 16 2019, @06:46PM (1 child)
Hang on a sec, didn't Australia ban private ownership of fire arms awhile back? Where/how did this guy get his weapons?
"Beware those who would deny you Knowledge, For in their hearts they dream themselves your Master."
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday March 16 2019, @10:16PM
Galse [wikipedia.org]
From New Zealand.
(Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday March 16 2019, @07:29PM
i think my fellow Europeans should largely focus on creating their ethno states from the areas of white supermajority (eastern europe and sections of other whitish countries) and forming an unbreakable international alliance between them, instead of defending imaginary ethnostates with violence. I think you should focus any violence on the elites/politicians/tycoons that are the ones purposely bringing in the cheap labor/vote machines. I think trying to convert large mixed race land masses like the US as a whole is an idea we sold cheap a long time ago, or that must at least be postponed until we aren't laying around shooting up with meth and heroin. In the US, you would have to concentrate on specific areas like the Northwest Territory Imperative, but even that won't work if you can't win the propaganda war. Self hating whites will fight you the hardest just to show how unracist they are and because they have been brainwashed into thinking they are fighting the good fight while they are being systematically destroyed. I suspect NZ citizens will be cowed further by this event into giving up more of their rights, as if they had anything to do with this event. Overall, i think we need to get ourselves together first and foremost, including our seditious governments.