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posted by Fnord666 on Sunday April 28 2019, @09:44PM   Printer-friendly
from the signals-in-the-aether dept.

Submitted via IRC for ErnestTBass

In 1940, Britain had retreated back to their island fortress after being throttled in mainland Europe by invading Nazis. They would hide behind the sea and hope that their navy and air force could stop the possible German invasion of their island.

As the Battle of Britain raged on, the German and British air forces went head to head. Something strange happened, the Germans pulled of[sic] a series of highly effective night bombing raids. It's strange because night bombing was incredibly ineffective for the most part.

[...] This German bombing was much more effective than what the British could do at night. As a matter of fact, it was more accurate than what typical bombing could do in the day time.

Source: https://medium.com/lessons-from-history/england-was-almost-destroyed-by-radio-waves-df70830e8593


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  • (Score: 2, Offtopic) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday April 28 2019, @09:55PM (12 children)

    by Anonymous Coward on Sunday April 28 2019, @09:55PM (#836056)

    "We are quite in danger of sending highly trained and highly intelligent young men out into the world with tables of erroneous numbers under their arms, and with a dense fog in the place where their brains ought to be. In this century, of course, they will be working on guided missiles and advising the medical profession on the control of disease, and there is no limit to the extent to which they could impede every sort of national effort."

    Fisher, R N (1958). "The Nature of Probability" . Centennial Review. 2: 261–274.

    Fisher warned them, they didn't listen. The US didn't either. Now charlatans pervade all academic, medical, and military research. The only hope is that the "enemy" is even worse off than you.

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  • (Score: 0, Offtopic) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday April 28 2019, @10:08PM (11 children)

    by Anonymous Coward on Sunday April 28 2019, @10:08PM (#836059)

    Not sure how this is could be offtopic. The story is about nerd applying their understanding when there are real world rewards and punishments.

    Western academia et al have been free running outside this for many decades now, basically surviving off the US military pillaging oil rich regions of the world. For example, try to win a war with the same approach that leads you to cling to "dark matter" theories despite all the evidence otherwise.

    • (Score: 1) by khallow on Sunday April 28 2019, @11:54PM (8 children)

      by khallow (3766) on Sunday April 28 2019, @11:54PM (#836088) Journal

      despite all the evidence otherwise

      Such as? It's worth keeping in mind, for example, that MOND, the primary rival to dark matter, is of the same sort of theory. It attempts to explain observation without having any other support for the theory than this discrepancy. At least, with dark matter theory one knows that there is some dark matter, just not enough known dark matter at present to explain things.

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday April 29 2019, @12:06AM (7 children)

        by Anonymous Coward on Monday April 29 2019, @12:06AM (#836092)

        Such as for over a century the only evidence for dark matter is that GR predictions the wrong thing.

        Try pushing that when your friends and family are getting blown up over and over as you are "surprised" over and over at every new observation. Meanwhile MOND predicts the right thing. You will either start working on finding an explanation for why MOND works or get executed/assassinated by pissed off people.

        • (Score: 1) by khallow on Monday April 29 2019, @12:50AM (6 children)

          by khallow (3766) on Monday April 29 2019, @12:50AM (#836104) Journal

          Such as for over a century the only evidence for dark matter is that GR predictions the wrong thing.

          Which is pretty good evidence when you think about it. They also have gravity lensing and actual observation of dark matter.

          • (Score: -1, Offtopic) by Anonymous Coward on Monday April 29 2019, @01:18AM

            by Anonymous Coward on Monday April 29 2019, @01:18AM (#836111)

            khallow, I do kind of like your posts. Please prep just a tiny bit for a grand minimum at least scenario.

          • (Score: 2) by Gaaark on Monday April 29 2019, @03:00AM (4 children)

            by Gaaark (41) on Monday April 29 2019, @03:00AM (#836143) Journal

            How about wide binaries: dark matter predicts they should not rotate amongst themselves and should 'fly apart'. Meanwhile, QI eliminates the need for dark matter completely as well as solving why wide binaries exist.

            Neither dark matter NOR Mond can solve wide binaries...unless of course they come up with ANOTHER 'newly imagined' property for dark matter.

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            --- Please remind me if I haven't been civil to you: I'm channeling MDC. ---Gaaark 2.0 ---
            • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday April 29 2019, @03:15AM

              by Anonymous Coward on Monday April 29 2019, @03:15AM (#836145)

              unless of course they come up with ANOTHER 'newly imagined' property for dark matter.

              Such as? (I need to publish)

            • (Score: 1) by khallow on Monday April 29 2019, @04:07AM (2 children)

              by khallow (3766) on Monday April 29 2019, @04:07AM (#836162) Journal

              How about wide binaries: dark matter predicts they should not rotate amongst themselves and should 'fly apart'.

              And? Have we observed these for thousands of years to determine that they indeed don't fly apart (that is, aren't binary systems)? Rather we observed them for a short time and concluded that it must have always been that way. And that's the basic problem. Just because two stars are relatively near one another with similar velocities doesn't make them a binary system. We know of scenarios where this can happen, such as throwing a third star out of a three star system or several stars being created in a interstellar dust cloud.

              Neither dark matter NOR Mond can solve wide binaries...unless of course they come up with ANOTHER 'newly imagined' property for dark matter.

              Or the observations and our suppositions are in error. The key problem is that this is supposedly a subtle effect. Hence, it is precisely where wishful thinking and error in measure most strongly can manifest.

              • (Score: 2) by Gaaark on Monday April 29 2019, @10:16AM (1 child)

                by Gaaark (41) on Monday April 29 2019, @10:16AM (#836218) Journal

                Have we observed ANYTHING for thousands of years? TRULY measured, calculated, observed? No.

                That is what models are for.

                "Hence, it is precisely where wishful thinking and error in measure most strongly can manifest."
                YES! Dark matter is an error of wishful thinking: SAVE GR at ALL costs... except it is wrong and wide binaries prove it.

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                • (Score: 1) by khallow on Monday April 29 2019, @08:54PM

                  by khallow (3766) on Monday April 29 2019, @08:54PM (#836392) Journal

                  That is what models are for.

                  Unfortunately, that doesn't rule out models like dark matter because you are supposing the would-be evidence against such based on a model that may be wrong.

    • (Score: 3, Insightful) by Pslytely Psycho on Monday April 29 2019, @12:50AM (1 child)

      by Pslytely Psycho (1218) on Monday April 29 2019, @12:50AM (#836105)

      "Not sure how this is could be offtopic."

      Perhaps because the conspiracy theory has nothing to due with the topic at hand?

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      Alex Jones lawyer inspires new TV series: CSI Moron Division.
      • (Score: -1, Offtopic) by Anonymous Coward on Monday April 29 2019, @01:21AM

        by Anonymous Coward on Monday April 29 2019, @01:21AM (#836114)

        Pslytely Psycho, I do *not* kind of like your posts. Please prep just a tiny bit for a grand minimum at least scenario.