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posted by Fnord666 on Wednesday May 01 2019, @12:39PM   Printer-friendly
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POUNDLAND has banned the sale of kitchen knives across the UK in response to the crime wave hitting the country.

The retailer stopped selling the weapons in London last week and is set to extend the ban to all 850 of its UK and Ireland stores by the end of the year.

The move follows 35 people being fatally stabbed in London since the beginning of the year as violence in the capital spikes.

Austin Cook Poundland's retail director said: "We have committed to take knives out of all our stores, starting with London, which we have done with immediate effect a couple of weeks ago, and we will take them out of the rest of the country by October.

"Since I've come into my role we have had a lot of feedback from our store colleagues that we are retailing knives that can have the wrong ultimate purpose for them.

"We want to take them off our shelves and take them out of the hands of the wrong customers and, whilst there is a sales implication for us, it's much more important to us to protect both our colleagues and our customers from any risk.

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/6069878/poundland-stop-selling-knives-london-stabbings/

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Town-centre pound store prosecuted for knife sale

Management and training procedures at the town-centre branch of a national retail chain were questioned when the company was prosecuted for the sale of a knife to under-age customers.

Poundworld Retail Ltd appeared at Croydon Magistrates' Court on 16 May and was fined £4,000 and ordered to pay costs after being found guilty of selling a knife to a person under the age of 18. The total penalty, including victim surcharge, amounted to £8,520.

The court heard that, as part of a test-purchasing exercise conducted by the council's trading standards department, two 14-year-old volunteers went to the store's North End branch on 28 May 2015 and, after selecting a kitchen knife from a display, took it for payment to one of the tills.

The sales assistant, on only his second day at work in the store, failed to challenge the youngsters and the sale was completed.

http://news.croydon.gov.uk/town-centre-pound-store-prosecuted-for-knife-sale/

  'You cannot be soft on this': Boris Johnson calls for stop and search increase to combat London knife crime surge

Boris Johnson has called for an increased use of stop and search powers to combat knife crime following a spate of fatal stabbings in London.

The Foreign Secretary warned against "going soft" as he insisted that Scotland Yard and Sadiq Khan "come down like a ton of bricks" on gang leaders.

His comments came after teenager Sami Sidhom, 18, was knifed to death on Monday night in the capital's third killing in two days.

Mr Johnson said when he was Mayor of London he adopted a dual approach that boosted stop and search incidents while mentoring young people to prevent them getting sucked into gang violence.

In an interview with the Daily Telegraph, he told current London mayor Sadiq Khan: "You cannot be soft on this."

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/you-cannot-be-soft-on-this-boris-johnson-calls-for-stop-and-search-increase-to-combat-london-knife-a3817816.html

London murder rate overtakes New York as knife crime rises

LONDON (Reuters) - London police investigated more murders than their New York counterparts did over the last two months, statistics show, as the British capital's mayor vowed to fight a "violent scourge" on the streets.
There were 15 murders in London in February against 14 in New York, according to London's Metropolitan Police Service and the New York Police Department. For March, 22 murders were investigated in London, with 21 reports in New York.

  https://www.reuters.com/article/us-britain-crime-murder/london-murder-rate-overtakes-new-york-as-knife-crime-rises-idUSKCN1HA1DH


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  • (Score: 4, Insightful) by RandomFactor on Wednesday May 01 2019, @01:14PM (32 children)

    by RandomFactor (3682) Subscriber Badge on Wednesday May 01 2019, @01:14PM (#837215) Journal

    already have several of these? My God people could start keeping their knives around for generation after generation passing them down with their rich history to their children! Yessirree Bobby! This beauty carved up the great prize Thanksgiving turkey of 2025, your great grandpa got the leg, he always liked legs ya know, yep yep (admittedly maybe not likely a Thanksgiving story in London, but you get the idea)
     
    And, not to put too fine a point on this, but, you can make your own perfectly slashy knife in an evening out of all kinds of things.
     
    There need to be kitchen knife buybacks and eventually confiscation and metalworking needs to be outlawed along with videos on knifemaking and blacksmithing.

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  • (Score: 4, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday May 01 2019, @01:21PM (13 children)

    by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday May 01 2019, @01:21PM (#837223)

    They already have "knife bins", where you get free dvds if you surrender your knife:
    https://www.flickfilosopher.com/wptest/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/knifebin.jpg [flickfilosopher.com]

    Also, do not forget that people "shouldn't be eating meat" anyway. It is difficult to see what excuse you have for a knife when you are consuming the diet of insects that you are supposed to be eating. https://www.bbc.com/news/world-22508439 [bbc.com]

    • (Score: 5, Touché) by RandomFactor on Wednesday May 01 2019, @02:02PM (7 children)

      by RandomFactor (3682) Subscriber Badge on Wednesday May 01 2019, @02:02PM (#837259) Journal

      I....I am not sure how to respond. My post was supposed to be sarcastic and snarky. If it just matches reality I'm not sure where that leaves us.

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      • (Score: -1, Flamebait) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday May 01 2019, @02:26PM (4 children)

        by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday May 01 2019, @02:26PM (#837275)

        It leaves you not in the UK, for which you can thank your lucky stars.
        The UK is finally conquered. It has become a Third World shithole with an icing of leftist totalitarian bullshit. Call it sef-castration. What the hell is going on with Brexit? Stalling so it simply doesn't happen?

        • (Score: 3, Touché) by driverless on Wednesday May 01 2019, @02:41PM (2 children)

          by driverless (4770) on Wednesday May 01 2019, @02:41PM (#837288)

          The UK is finally conquered. It has become a Third World shithole

          You forgot to mention the bit about blacks and/or muslims taking over and whites being exterminated. Also I believe saying something about the EU and/or UN is required at this point.

          • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday May 01 2019, @03:07PM (1 child)

            by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday May 01 2019, @03:07PM (#837298)

            The UN was already mentioned above. They said you don't need knives to eat a proper diet of insects.

            • (Score: -1, Flamebait) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday May 01 2019, @05:26PM

              by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday May 01 2019, @05:26PM (#837398)

              In Islamic London, insects eat you! (as you rot in the gutter, having been stabbed to death)

        • (Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday May 01 2019, @05:33PM

          by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday May 01 2019, @05:33PM (#837413)

          ..with an icing of leftist totalitarian bullshit.

          Again with the leftist....you people never get this, do you?

          The people running the 'spectacle' aren't leftist or rightist, they're 'Them'ists, but will be quite happy to know that people like you still fall for the old left/right BS 'labels' as it means they can count on their tactical use to forment division amongst the unteren schichten.

      • (Score: 4, Funny) by jmorris on Wednesday May 01 2019, @05:27PM

        by jmorris (4844) on Wednesday May 01 2019, @05:27PM (#837402)

        > 'm not sure where that leaves us.

        I'll tell ya. Clown. World.

        Honk Honk.

      • (Score: 2) by edIII on Wednesday May 01 2019, @07:34PM

        by edIII (791) on Wednesday May 01 2019, @07:34PM (#837496)

        Especially since meat is only one of things you cut with a knife. The knife is like one of the best things invented, just short of sliced bread and the sandwich.

        No knife means some very limited culinary possibilities.

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    • (Score: 5, Funny) by maxwell demon on Wednesday May 01 2019, @03:37PM (3 children)

      by maxwell demon (1608) Subscriber Badge on Wednesday May 01 2019, @03:37PM (#837316) Journal

      They already have "knife bins", where you get free dvds if you surrender your knife:

      But how are you supposed to open the DVD shrink wrap without the knife?

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      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday May 01 2019, @05:28PM (2 children)

        by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday May 01 2019, @05:28PM (#837404)

        But how are you supposed to open the DVD shrink wrap without the knife?

        With your teeth. (insert 'English have bad teeth' joke here)

        Well, they'll probably ban teeth next month, anyway.

        • (Score: 1) by Sulla on Wednesday May 01 2019, @06:50PM

          by Sulla (5173) on Wednesday May 01 2019, @06:50PM (#837474) Journal

          The only people who need teeth are those who refuse to only partake in eating of the communal yeast farms. They are anti-social and must be de-fanged.

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        • (Score: 1) by RandomFactor on Wednesday May 01 2019, @09:06PM

          by RandomFactor (3682) Subscriber Badge on Wednesday May 01 2019, @09:06PM (#837545) Journal

          I wanted to mod this 'Incisorful'

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    • (Score: 3, Insightful) by hemocyanin on Wednesday May 01 2019, @05:28PM

      by hemocyanin (186) on Wednesday May 01 2019, @05:28PM (#837403) Journal

      Eating bugs will only push the problem into the future -- the problem is exponential population growth.

  • (Score: 3, Troll) by VLM on Wednesday May 01 2019, @01:32PM (7 children)

    by VLM (445) on Wednesday May 01 2019, @01:32PM (#837235)

    generation after generation passing them down with their rich history to their children

    If the problem is caused by demographic replacement, the current owners of artifacts aren't going to inherit them to their children. They are going to be wiped out, pushed out, kids killed, impoverished by taxes to help the invaders means too poor for kids, etc.

    In summary if your country is invaded, population pushed out and culture replaced (by one with more knife violence or whatever) then knives are going to be transferred as the spoils of invasion not inherited.

    I would guess that most Aztec artifacts are not owned by descendants of the original Aztecs anymore, for example.

    on knifemaking and blacksmithing

    Again, the legacy culture which is being wiped out formerly could invent and manufacture steam engines and jet aircraft and ICBMs, but the replacement population's culture doesn't do stuff like that, so that means in the future, the magic soil of England will produce, well, not much anymore. Mud huts, and lots of violence, little more. Maybe a few people looking back at the past and pondering how England was once mighty, or once had electricity, or once had a literate population or a low crime rate.

    Rhodesia was the breadbasket of Africa when the whites ran it; now they're being wiped out so despite the magic dirt still being there, the population of Zimbabwe starves. It wasn't a breadbasket because of magic dirt, economy is downstream of demographics and culture.

    Replace the demographics and culture, and the economy and crime rate change to match.

    Detroit is another small scale example; when it was the early automobile era equivalent of todays silicon valley, it was white and rich, but for some odd reason no one can identify the same magic dirt that produced unimaginable wealth a century ago now produces extraordinary poverty. Its almost like genetics exists, or demographics matter, or culture matters, or race matters, but thats all double plus ungood badthink so I'm sure the only problem is lead pipes or bad words on the internet or those evil white males or whatever nonsense.

    • (Score: 2) by PiMuNu on Wednesday May 01 2019, @02:06PM (4 children)

      by PiMuNu (3823) on Wednesday May 01 2019, @02:06PM (#837260)

      I believe "breadbasket of Africa" referred traditionally to regions further North. The term, I believe, originated in reference to Britain's attempts to stop other European powers interfering in its control over Egypt by taking control of regions such as Sudan, which provided a significant proportion of Egypt's food. I couldn't find a good reference for this on the intraweb with a quick google. However, I thought this article was interesting and relevant to your comments:

      https://africacheck.org/2017/11/28/analysis-zimbabwe-ever-breadbasket-africa/ [africacheck.org]

      Nb: there was lots of crime in 2000s; presumably by your rascist logic there is a good correlation with African migrants?

      Number of migrants in UK:
      https://migrationobservatory.ox.ac.uk/resources/briefings/migrants-in-the-uk-an-overview/ [ox.ac.uk]

      Crime in London:
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crime_in_London [wikipedia.org]

      I don't see much correlation there so I reject your hypothesis. I haven't done much googling around though...

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday May 01 2019, @07:30PM

        by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday May 01 2019, @07:30PM (#837494)

        Cool. Now do Sweden and grenade attacks.

      • (Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday May 01 2019, @07:55PM

        by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday May 01 2019, @07:55PM (#837506)

        I'm from the region in question.

        In living memory, Rhodesia (present-day Zimbabwe) was the breadbasket of Africa. Agricultural productivity was off the charts of the day.

        GPP is quite right about that. Inflammatory, but correct.

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday May 01 2019, @08:12PM (1 child)

        by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday May 01 2019, @08:12PM (#837518)

        presumably by your rascist logic there is a good correlation with African migrants?

        Dafuq is rascist logic?

        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday May 01 2019, @10:37PM

          by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday May 01 2019, @10:37PM (#837573)

          Dafuq is rascist logic?

          And what, pray tell, is "dafuq?" Is that a friend of yours? I do also wonder what "rascist" means as well.

          Is English a second language for you? I thought so. So you're an immigrant, then?

          Wait, let me guess, "dafuq" and "rascist" are Tagolog words?

    • (Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday May 01 2019, @05:35PM (1 child)

      by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday May 01 2019, @05:35PM (#837415)

      Fuck off you racist shit. With any luck you'll get locked up and you can enjoy your dreams of joining a real white supremacy group while also fulfilling your dreams be being a true sub.

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday May 01 2019, @07:26PM

        by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday May 01 2019, @07:26PM (#837491)

        You just further prove his point...

  • (Score: 3, Insightful) by zocalo on Wednesday May 01 2019, @02:13PM (4 children)

    by zocalo (302) on Wednesday May 01 2019, @02:13PM (#837261)
    Yes, but I don't think that's the reasoning here. Poundland, as the name might imply, sells everything it stocks for one pound. What they've just removed from their shelves are essentially £1-a-pop, and readily disposable, weapons that come with a thin veneer of deniability in the form of a readily removable bit of packaging in the event of a stop and search; "I just bought this earlier for the kitchen, Officer, see the wrapper! I must have forgotten to take it out of my pocket before going out for the evening!". Yes, very thin, but we're usually not talking the sharpest (sorry!) minds here. For £1 they're probably not the sharpest knives either, come to think of it, but in the eyes of the majority of knife carriers who feel they need something available at a moment's notice for self-defence (at least until the red mist comes down), that's still better than the off-chance of being able to fashion something in the spur of the moment.
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    • (Score: 1, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday May 01 2019, @02:23PM (1 child)

      by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday May 01 2019, @02:23PM (#837273)

      Read the second story. Poundland had to pay a £8k fine over these knives a few years ago. Looks like they decided its just more trouble than it is worth to deal with it.

      • (Score: 2) by zocalo on Wednesday May 01 2019, @04:12PM

        by zocalo (302) on Wednesday May 01 2019, @04:12PM (#837340)
        Sure, but that's already £8k of water under the bridge they won't be getting back. How much does it cost to send an email instructing your store managers to give a quick periodic briefings on age checks to existing staff and new starters and get some signatures so they can claim the staff have had training, so not our fault? Even with the wafer thin margins Poundland is probably operating under, that's presumably less than the money to be made on selling kitchen cutlery and (also presumably) any other suitably sharp and pocketable tools they'll be banning. Kinda pointless if 14yo's can just spend their pound on a craft or DIY knife instead, no?

        Beside it being more trouble than it's worth (e.g. the loss of profit is near zero), I'd also factor in that Poundland have no confidence in their staff's ability to do age checks, and they saw an opportunity to make a quick, but mostly pointless given how many other sources of knives there are, PR move.
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    • (Score: 4, Funny) by realDonaldTrump on Wednesday May 01 2019, @04:06PM

      by realDonaldTrump (6614) on Wednesday May 01 2019, @04:06PM (#837338) Homepage Journal

      Thank you. I thought it was the other kind of pounding. And I was wondering, why did they let the 14 Year olds in. Because that, possibly, is a little young to be going to Pound Town.

    • (Score: 4, Informative) by JoeMerchant on Wednesday May 01 2019, @07:02PM

      by JoeMerchant (3937) on Wednesday May 01 2019, @07:02PM (#837478)

      Around here, local municipalities pass bogus laws against things like "burglar tools" which includes screwdrivers, a brick, basically any implement that _might_ be used to burglarize a home or vehicle, it can be taken as far as your ID card which might be used to open a locked door. The veneer of deniability no longer applies, if you are walking on the city streets (and the cop doesn't like the way you look), they can give you all kinds of hassle for basically anything they find on your person and write it up as "arrested due to possession of burglar tools."

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  • (Score: 2) by PinkyGigglebrain on Wednesday May 01 2019, @05:05PM (1 child)

    by PinkyGigglebrain (4458) on Wednesday May 01 2019, @05:05PM (#837377)

    ... metalworking needs to be outlawed along with videos on knifemaking and blacksmithing.

    For the love of God! Please don't give them any ideas.

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    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday May 01 2019, @06:36PM

      by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday May 01 2019, @06:36PM (#837468)

      For the love of God! Please don't give them any ideas.

      Bet they really love 'Forged in Fire'...

      Though, amusingly, the good old censor has been at work on the version shown on UK Freeview TV, it might be my imagination, but it's been a while since they've shown a kill test, even during the official 'watershed'.

  • (Score: 2) by FatPhil on Wednesday May 01 2019, @11:11PM (1 child)

    by FatPhil (863) <{pc-soylent} {at} {asdf.fi}> on Wednesday May 01 2019, @11:11PM (#837592) Homepage
    > Doesn't every house and apartment in London
    ...
    > already have several of these? [...] This beauty carved up the great prize Thanksgiving turkey of 2025

    They don't have "Thanksgiving" anythings in London, let alone turkeys, which are a christmas food.
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    • (Score: 1) by RandomFactor on Friday May 03 2019, @10:45AM

      by RandomFactor (3682) Subscriber Badge on Friday May 03 2019, @10:45AM (#838352) Journal

      it was notional and humorous, that should have been clear from the next sentence.

      (admittedly maybe not likely a Thanksgiving story in London, but you get the idea)

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  • (Score: 2) by Reziac on Friday May 03 2019, @04:08AM

    by Reziac (2489) on Friday May 03 2019, @04:08AM (#838294) Homepage

    There's a guy on Youtube who makes knives from stuff like jello and toilet paper. The most successful was probably the one made from cardboard.

    I suppose they've already outlawed straight razors and box cutters.

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