posted by
Dopefish
on Thursday February 27 2014, @07:00AM
from the community-oversight-is-needed dept.
AnonTechie writes "Bruce Schneier:
The NSA has become too big and too powerful. What was supposed to be a single agency with a dual mission --protecting the security of U.S. communications and eavesdropping on the communications of our enemies has become unbalanced in the post-Cold War, all-terrorism-all-the-time era. Putting the U.S. Cyber Command, the military's cyberwar wing, in the same location and under the same commander, expanded the NSA's power. The result is an agency that prioritizes intelligence gathering over security, and that's increasingly putting us all at risk.
It's time we thought about breaking up the National Security Agency."
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(Score: 5, Insightful) by dmc on Thursday February 27 2014, @07:22AM
by dmc (188) on Thursday February 27 2014, @07:22AM (#7835)
I have one mod point left, and I can't bring myself to mod the parent up because I know it'll get to 5 anyway. This is the heinous evil that has possessed our wonderous internet [firstlook.org]. The 'eternal september' of the unwashed masses flooding into usenet was nothing compared to the wickedness described in that linked document. Page 24 quotes- "Create Cognitive Stress" "Create Physiological Stress" "Create Affective Stress" "Exploit Shared Affect" "Time-shift perceived behavior" "Divorce behavior from outcome" "channel behavior" "exploit prior beliefs" "the big move covers the little move" "repitition reduces vigilance". Page titled "Gambits For Deception". Documented titled "Training for a new generation of online covert operations". Recipient: USA (secret government).
I sure as hell hope Jesus is Angry. I am.
Don't even get me started about their enumeration of techniques for "pulling a group apart". Ratf*cking dirtbags. I'd pull the trigger if I could find em.
" These agencies' refusal to "comment on intelligence matters" - meaning: talk at all about anything and everything they do - is precisely why whistleblowing is so urgent, the journalism that supports it so clearly in the public interest, and the increasingly unhinged attacks by these agencies so easy to understand. Claims that government agencies are infiltrating online communities and engaging in "false flag operations" to discredit targets are often dismissed as conspiracy theories, but these documents leave no doubt they are doing precisely that.
Whatever else is true, no government should be able to engage in these tactics: what justification is there for having government agencies target people - who have been charged with no crime - for reputation-destruction, infiltrate online political communities, and develop techniques for manipulating online discourse? But to allow those actions with no public knowledge or accountability is particularly unjustifiable. "
Don't even get me started about their enumeration of techniques for "pulling a group apart". Ratf*cking dirtbags. I'd pull the trigger if I could find em.
And now we know. Dice Holdings is front for the NSA, and Slashdot beta is their weapon.
After reading your post, my first though was:"Whoa. You got some balls posting this online, dude."
It's kinda sad when you think about it. Humanity needs a network where we can share our beliefs and information anonymously. The one we had was taken from us.
(Score: 2) by dmc on Thursday February 27 2014, @10:02PM
by dmc (188) on Thursday February 27 2014, @10:02PM (#8137)
After reading your post, my first though was:"Whoa. You got some balls posting this online, dude."
That's the thing about about the new surveillance and oppression apparatus- they are systematically using deeply funded psychological tactics combined with new levels of pervasive technology to "cut the balls and ovaries off of all who would voice their dissent against it". I either suffer from a persecution complex, or as I still believe more likely- complex persecutions that have been going on for over a decade.
Ponder this quote from the 'Reverend' Jesse Jackson regarding potential new president Barack Obama in a more historical context now-
So here's a question for discussion: how resistant is the Slashdot/Soylentnews(/maybe Reddit) community moderation model to this sort of manipulation? Obviously divisive/trollish stuff will end up moderated appropriately, but what would a well-executed +5 Insightful post look like?
(Score: 5, Insightful) by dmc on Thursday February 27 2014, @07:22AM
I have one mod point left, and I can't bring myself to mod the parent up because I know it'll get to 5 anyway. This is the heinous evil that has possessed our wonderous internet [firstlook.org]. The 'eternal september' of the unwashed masses flooding into usenet was nothing compared to the wickedness described in that linked document. Page 24 quotes- "Create Cognitive Stress" "Create Physiological Stress" "Create Affective Stress" "Exploit Shared Affect" "Time-shift perceived behavior" "Divorce behavior from outcome" "channel behavior" "exploit prior beliefs" "the big move covers the little move" "repitition reduces vigilance". Page titled "Gambits For Deception". Documented titled "Training for a new generation of online covert operations". Recipient: USA (secret government).
I sure as hell hope Jesus is Angry. I am.
Don't even get me started about their enumeration of techniques for "pulling a group apart". Ratf*cking dirtbags. I'd pull the trigger if I could find em.
"
These agencies' refusal to "comment on intelligence matters" - meaning: talk at all about anything and everything they do - is precisely why whistleblowing is so urgent, the journalism that supports it so clearly in the public interest, and the increasingly unhinged attacks by these agencies so easy to understand. Claims that government agencies are infiltrating online communities and engaging in "false flag operations" to discredit targets are often dismissed as conspiracy theories, but these documents leave no doubt they are doing precisely that.
Whatever else is true, no government should be able to engage in these tactics: what justification is there for having government agencies target people - who have been charged with no crime - for reputation-destruction, infiltrate online political communities, and develop techniques for manipulating online discourse? But to allow those actions with no public knowledge or accountability is particularly unjustifiable.
"
https://firstlook.org/theintercept/2014/02/24/jtri g-manipulation/ [firstlook.org]
(Score: 2, Funny) by metamonkey on Thursday February 27 2014, @03:04PM
And now we know. Dice Holdings is front for the NSA, and Slashdot beta is their weapon.
Okay 3, 2, 1, let's jam.
(Score: 1) by Skarjak on Thursday February 27 2014, @05:09PM
After reading your post, my first though was:"Whoa. You got some balls posting this online, dude."
It's kinda sad when you think about it. Humanity needs a network where we can share our beliefs and information anonymously. The one we had was taken from us.
(Score: 2) by dmc on Thursday February 27 2014, @10:02PM
That's the thing about about the new surveillance and oppression apparatus- they are systematically using deeply funded psychological tactics combined with new levels of pervasive technology to "cut the balls and ovaries off of all who would voice their dissent against it". I either suffer from a persecution complex, or as I still believe more likely- complex persecutions that have been going on for over a decade.
Ponder this quote from the 'Reverend' Jesse Jackson regarding potential new president Barack Obama in a more historical context now-
"I want to cut his nuts off."
http://www.nbcnews.com/id/25611808/ns/politics-dec ision_08/t/obama-accepts-jesse-jacksons-apology/ [nbcnews.com]
(Score: 4, Interesting) by everdred on Thursday February 27 2014, @06:41PM
So here's a question for discussion: how resistant is the Slashdot/Soylentnews(/maybe Reddit) community moderation model to this sort of manipulation? Obviously divisive/trollish stuff will end up moderated appropriately, but what would a well-executed +5 Insightful post look like?