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posted by martyb on Saturday May 25 2019, @09:34AM   Printer-friendly
from the say-no-to-whales-and-gambling dept.

Weeks ago, Senator Josh Hawley (R-Mo.) released an outline for the The Protecting Children from Abusive Games Act, aimed at stopping randomized loot boxes and pay-to-win mechanics in the game industry. Today, Hawley was joined by Ed Markey (D-Mass.) and Richard Blumenthal (D-Conn.) in formally introducing that bill in the Senate, complete with an 18-page draft of its legislative text.

Perhaps the most interesting portion of the bill attempts to define so-called "pay-to-win" mechanics in games. Those are defined broadly here as purchasable content that "assists a user in accomplishing an achievement within the game that can otherwise be accomplished without the purchase of such transaction" or which "permits a user to continue to access content of the game that had previously been accessible to the user but has been made inaccessible after the expiration of a timer or a number of gameplay attempts."

For multiplayer games, this would also include any purchasable in-game content that "from the perspective of a reasonable user, provides a competitive advantage."

As far as loot boxes are concerned, the act targets games where purchasable in-game content is randomized or partially randomized. This includes games where you purchase one item for the chance to purchase unknown or random items in the future, closing one potential loophole before it even starts.

https://arstechnica.com/gaming/2019/05/gop-dem-senators-officially-introduce-loot-box-pay-to-win-legislation/


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  • (Score: 3, Interesting) by The Mighty Buzzard on Saturday May 25 2019, @12:56PM (13 children)

    They might be able to get a federal lootbox ban through the courts on account of it's gambling. No fucking way will a p2w ban hold up though; they very much lack authority to place such a ban and life itself is p2w.

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  • (Score: 1, Troll) by Ethanol-fueled on Saturday May 25 2019, @01:02PM (5 children)

    by Ethanol-fueled (2792) on Saturday May 25 2019, @01:02PM (#847571) Homepage

    That's the one fucking thing that's stopping me from getting back into gaming after a 25-year hiatus. Why should I grind and dedicate all my free time to a game when some rich fag can buy unlimited nukes, ships, horses, trinkets, etc. Oh, well, there's always the old-skool smash hit Ethnic Cleansing. Of course, pay-to-win with respect to gaming has its roots in arcade coin-ops: Midway's Strikeforce is a good example, when you're in the "shop" you can deposit additional quarters to buy more weapons rather than lives.

    The good thing about that game called "real life" is that I can minimize my chances of encountering rich fucks by avoiding all of the Jewish neighborhoods.

    • (Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Saturday May 25 2019, @01:52PM

      Nice, I didn't see how you were going to work in a bit about 'da juice' on this one.

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    • (Score: -1, Flamebait) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday May 25 2019, @02:15PM (2 children)

      by Anonymous Coward on Saturday May 25 2019, @02:15PM (#847591)

      What is your opinion on sending dick pics to disabled women with fibromyalgia on Twitter?

      • (Score: 3, Touché) by Ethanol-fueled on Saturday May 25 2019, @02:18PM (1 child)

        by Ethanol-fueled (2792) on Saturday May 25 2019, @02:18PM (#847593) Homepage

        You have to be polite, establish a rapport, and ensure that they are aware of the incoming payload and that they will appreciate them before you send them. Otherwise you're just an obtuse dick. And a sexual harasser.

        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday May 25 2019, @02:23PM

          by Anonymous Coward on Saturday May 25 2019, @02:23PM (#847595)

          Sounds reasonable.

    • (Score: -1, Offtopic) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday May 25 2019, @07:01PM

      by Anonymous Coward on Saturday May 25 2019, @07:01PM (#847681)

      You can also do what I do, cement dimes to the pavement in a nice exclusion zone around your neighborhood. The Jews congragate at these sites and after failing to recover the coins, get mad and turn around.

      (Note that bacon also works, but attracts the birds)

  • (Score: 2) by fyngyrz on Saturday May 25 2019, @02:49PM (2 children)

    by fyngyrz (6567) on Saturday May 25 2019, @02:49PM (#847602) Journal

    No fucking way will a p2w ban hold up though; they very much lack authority to place such a ban

    Not that I disagree on their lack of authority, but that rarely stops legislators and governors/presidents from doing anything.

    Occasionally such an arrogation of power makes it to a court, and even more occasionally a court invalidates same, as per your "hold up" assertion... but usually said legislation has done quite a bit of harm by then.

    I accuse you of unfounded optimism, suh! My second will meet your second to arrange for syllogisms at dawn!

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    • (Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Saturday May 25 2019, @05:28PM

      I accuse you of unfounded optimism, suh! My second will meet your second to arrange for syllogisms at dawn!

      You may very well be correct on that. I don't believe the current court is as likely to invent new government authority as many past ones but it's still quite possible, so I cede the point.

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    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday May 25 2019, @07:37PM

      by Anonymous Coward on Saturday May 25 2019, @07:37PM (#847688)

      obligatory simpsons reference: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qlSvf0c9Gn4 [youtube.com]

  • (Score: 2) by Mykl on Monday May 27 2019, @01:37AM (3 children)

    by Mykl (1112) on Monday May 27 2019, @01:37AM (#848058)

    I don't think they're actually 'banning' loot boxes, but rather forcing them to be rated as adult-only (e.g. R). They absolutely will be able to do that.

    • (Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Monday May 27 2019, @01:59AM (2 children)

      Actually, no. They have a stronger legal argument for banning them entirely. They have authority to regulate interstate commerce but they don't have much ground to stand on when it comes to mandating age limits on anything except holding office or voting. That's why they've had to tie drinking, smoking, and driving age limits to federal funding and get the states to implement the laws.

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      • (Score: 2) by Mykl on Monday May 27 2019, @05:26AM (1 child)

        by Mykl (1112) on Monday May 27 2019, @05:26AM (#848105)

        You're probably right (I don't know US law that well), but if game rating systems can federally restrict the amount of violence, sex, swearing etc in a game, why can't they restrict the amount of gambling (real or fake money) too?