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At Computex 2019 in Taipei, AMD CEO Lisa Su gave a keynote presentation announcing the first "7nm" Navi GPU and Ryzen 3000-series CPUs. All of the products will support PCI Express 4.0.
Contrary to recent reports, AMD says that the Navi microarchitecture is not based on Graphics Core Next (GCN), but rather a new "RDNA" macroarchitecture ('R' for Radeon), although the extent of the difference is not clear. There is also no conflict with Nvidia's naming scheme; the 5000-series naming is a reference to the company's 50th anniversary.
AMD claims that Navi GPUs will have 25% better performance/clock and 50% better performance/Watt vs. Vega GPUs. AMD Radeon RX 5700 is the first "7nm" Navi GPU to be announced. It was compared with Nvidia's GeForce RTX 2070, with the RX 5700 outperforming the RTX 2070 by 10% in the AMD-favorable game Strange Brigade. Pricing and other launch details will be revealed on June 10.
AMD also announced the first five Ryzen 3000-series CPUs, all of which will be released on July 7:
| CPU | Cores / Threads | Frequency | TDP | Price |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| Ryzen 9 3900X | 12 / 24 | 3.8 - 4.6 GHz | 105 W | $499 |
| Ryzen 7 3800X | 8 / 16 | 3.9 - 4.5 GHz | 105 W | $399 |
| Ryzen 7 3700X | 8 / 16 | 3.6 - 4.4 GHz | 65 W | $329 |
| Ryzen 5 3600X | 6 / 12 | 3.8 - 4.4 GHz | 95 W | $249 |
| Ryzen 5 3600 | 6 / 12 | 3.6 - 4.2 GHz | 65 W | $199 |
The Ryzen 9 3900X is the only CPU in the list using two core chiplets, each with 6 of 8 cores enabled. AMD has held back on releasing a 16-core monster for now. AMD compared the Ryzen 9 3900X to the $1,189 Intel Core i9-9920X, the Ryzen 7 3800X to the $499 Intel Core i9-9900K, and the Ryzen 7 3700X to the Intel Core i7-9700K, with the AMD chips outperforming the Intel chips in certain single and multi-threaded benchmarks (wait for the reviews before drawing any definitive conclusions). All five of the processors will come with a bundled cooler, as seen in this list.
Not to be outdone, Intel has announced the Intel Core i9-9900KS, a selectively binned 8-core processor that can boost to 5.0 GHz on all cores. The catch? TDP and pricing are currently unknown (i9-9900K launched at $488, 95W TDP), and Tom's Hardware reports that the higher clock speed does not apply to AVX workloads (although they will get a boost). The CPU does not come with a bundled cooler.
Intel also teased Gen11 integrated graphics performance, which will be included with "10nm" Ice Lake-U APUs. Their comparison shows a significant improvement over Gen9 graphics (there is no "Gen10") and a slight edge over AMD's top mobile processor, the Ryzen 7 3700U.
Previously: "Review" of AMD's 3rd Gen Ryzen Rumors Ahead of Launch
Related: Intel Announces "Sunny Cove", Gen11 Graphics, Discrete Graphics Brand Name, 3D Packaging, and More
Intel Promises "10nm" Chips by the End of 2019, and More
Intel Details Lakefield CPU SoC With 3D Packaging and Big/Small Core Configuration
Intel's Comet Lake Could Boost Mainstream Core Count to 10 to Compete with AMD's Ryzen 3000-Series
(Score: 2) by takyon on Tuesday May 28 2019, @02:02AM (6 children)
AMD Ryzen 9 CPU With 16 Zen 2 Core Overclocked & Tested in Cinebench, Faster Than i9-9980XE – 7nm Ryzen Threadripper HEDT CPUs Still Happening [wccftech.com]
According to this info, the 16-core chip isn't impossible to make (memory bandwidth limited) or anything, and is in fact in existence. It might still need testing and won't get released until later.
There was some speculation that Threadripper 3 would be delayed or skipped. Nope, we'll see it this year, possibly including up to 64 cores.
Third-Gen Ryzen Not Fully Backward Compatible, X570 Chipset Doesn't Support First-Gen Models, AMD Explains [tomshardware.com]
I don't think anybody is going to be buying a new X570 motherboard just to run a 1st gen Ryzen on it. However, some older motherboards won't support 3rd gen Ryzens, so do some research first. Hopefully, PC Part Picker [pcpartpicker.com] will be able to prevent any tragic motherboard+CPU combos.
Intel Replies to AMD’s Demo: Platinum 9242 Based 48 Core 2S Beats AMD’s 64 Core 2S [wccftech.com]
Intel and AMD squabbling over benchmarks. Given Intel's sketchy numbers [soylentnews.org] in the last year, everything from them (and probably AMD too) should be taken with a grain of salt.
Also, if clients are running the latest security patches or disabling hyperthreading [techspot.com], performance could take a big hit.
Intel Follows AMD's Lead on Full Memory Encryption [tomshardware.com]
The Most Innovative Motherboard Concept Ever – The ASUS Prime Utopia [wccftech.com]
Wew, a motherboard with an OLED display in it.
[SIG] 10/28/2017: Soylent Upgrade v14 [soylentnews.org]
(Score: 2) by takyon on Tuesday May 28 2019, @02:13AM (5 children)
https://adoredtv.com/good-enough-to-be-true/ [adoredtv.com]
The AdoredTV leaked pricing, naming, and release dates were way off the mark, but some details do stand out:
Predicted: Ryzen 5 3600 / 8 cores / 3.6 - 4.4 GHz / 65 W
...Actual: Ryzen 7 3700X / 8 cores / 3.6 - 4.4 GHz / 65 W
Predicted: Ryzen 7 3700 / 12 cores / 3.8 - 4.6 GHz / 95 W
...Actual: Ryzen 9 3900X / 12 cores / 3.8 - 4.6 GHz / 105 W
One conclusion that we can take away from this launch is that for the first time in a long time, Intel is the one not exerting competitive pressure on its competitor. AMD is sandbagging. Hopefully, AMD makes a lot of money, pays off debts, etc. If Intel does try to respond, AMD can pull out the 16-core Ryzen, 64-core Threadripper, and various smaller Ryzens.
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(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday May 28 2019, @02:33AM (4 children)
Adoredtv's leaks were fine, amd just adjusted the plan: https://old.reddit.com/r/AMD_Stock/comments/bth8qc/adoredtv_rumor_in_hindsight_and_in_context_eg_rome/eozq1kl/ [reddit.com]
(Score: 2) by takyon on Tuesday May 28 2019, @02:45AM (3 children)
That's basically what I implied. The only thing I'm wary of is: "hold off the 16 core cpus (for threadripper?)". Because Threadripper 3 would likely be 32-64 cores so 16 core would not encroach on it. And with AMD using the same chiplets for Ryzen, Threadripper, and Epyc product families, I think if there was a 8/8 chiplet shortage, they would be allocated to Epyc instead of the niche Threadripper.
I guess you could say that AMD is trying to sell off 16-core Threadripper 1/2 first (TR 1950X is already $500), but I don't know that the overlap is there since they use different motherboards and there is the difference with dual/quad channel memory.
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(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday May 28 2019, @03:26AM (2 children)
I mean basically there is no need for threadripper since their high end mainstream beats HEDT intel for about 1/3 the price...
(Score: 2) by takyon on Tuesday May 28 2019, @03:43AM (1 child)
True. And I figured they would go ahead and skip Threadripper 3. But it looks like they will do it [wccftech.com].
[SIG] 10/28/2017: Soylent Upgrade v14 [soylentnews.org]
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday May 28 2019, @04:08AM
As someone who has one since last fall, I wouldn't upgrade so soon almost no matter the specs. The only thing to get me right now is more ram.
(Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Tuesday May 28 2019, @02:26AM (7 children)
I'd really dig one but you can't disable the hardware rootkit like we're at least pretty sure you can with Intel chips . And I won't buy one even for an air gapped box if I can't at least be pretty sure I'm in charge of everything it does.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday May 28 2019, @06:10AM
Arduino, others might but you will never need more
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday May 28 2019, @10:12AM (3 children)
You can't disable the rootkit on Intel either. Only delete parts of the Intel Management Engine. The CPU itself is a microcoded black box with SMM as well. You don't control anything it does. The last CPU that fits your requirement is a 386 (before SL) on a motherboard without a proprietary BIOS. I don't think such a thing even exists.
(Score: 2) by bobthecimmerian on Tuesday May 28 2019, @05:42PM (2 children)
Supposedly Purism can disable the Intel Management Engine, see https://puri.sm/posts/deep-dive-into-intel-me-disablement/ [puri.sm]
Some of the free-as-in-freedom software oriented shops made a business out of selling the last generation of AMD Opteron processors that had no such remote management system. Or at least, AMD hadn't announced their existence in those models or earlier.
But you do sacrifice a lot of performance. I wish every website was like sourcehut.org - simple HTML, no bullshit. Then a freakin' 2006-era PC would be great. But unless I want to give up 60% of my speed in the modern internet and also live with painfully slow application opening and compile times, I'm stuck.
(Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Tuesday May 28 2019, @10:55PM (1 child)
Actually, the Phenom II x6 is still a perfectly acceptable processor today. I mean I'd greatly enjoy being able to `make -j32` and have one thread per core but it's not essential to my normal usage, even on Gentoo.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 2) by bobthecimmerian on Thursday May 30 2019, @01:07AM
Heh, one of my two desktops has that model.
(Score: 2) by bob_super on Tuesday May 28 2019, @09:36PM (1 child)
> And I won't buy one even for an air gapped box if I can't at least be pretty sure I'm in charge of everything it does.
Feel free to write your own CPU and implement it on an FPGA, then only run code that you compiled after checking every line of the source.
The rest of us just minimize our exposure, having gotten to terms with the simple fact that you can't run anything less than a decade old without begrudgingly having to trust that the millions of lines of code and the billions of transistors are mostly working for you.
I've got a full tank of gas. Mow your lawn or burn it down ?
(Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Tuesday May 28 2019, @10:58PM
I ain't asking for absolute certainty. Just not having a chip that's actual purpose is to be a rootkit would be enough. Being fairly confident I can disable the worst of its functionality might even be acceptable.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday May 28 2019, @04:13AM (1 child)
I recommend anyone who isnt aware of the revolution occuring here to watch that talk. Acer, Asus, and Microsoft reps were basically worshipping her and paying homage. Id even say she got groped a bit by the (female) ms rep.
Intel has been awful to everyone for so long, nvidia too.
(Score: 2) by takyon on Tuesday May 28 2019, @04:31AM
It can't be that unusual for Intel or AMD to interact in a friendly way with computer brands. And in the case of Microsoft, every new Xbox is packing AMD hardware, probably the next gen version as well.
The Acer co-CEO Jerry Kao was really funny. I rate him an A++++++.
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(Score: 2) by Freeman on Tuesday May 28 2019, @04:14PM (1 child)
Personally, I think I would like a new GPU more than anything else, but prices for Vegas haven't been reasonable until recently. Now, with the new hotness slated to come out soon, I'm sitting waiting to see what happens. Plus, I essentially did everything there is to do on Fallout 4 VR and haven't Skyrim VR just hasn't hooked me.
Joshua 1:9 "Be strong and of a good courage; be not afraid, neither be thou dismayed: for the Lord thy God is with thee"
(Score: 2) by takyon on Tuesday May 28 2019, @07:53PM
Wait for Intel to jump in next year, then it will be a 3-way competition.
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(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday May 28 2019, @06:16PM
no? well if i upgrade, it sure as hell won't be while they are still new. i'll encourage clients not to buy new either. hopefully i can just wait until someone, like maybe a riscv based co., can make a processor that is not working against me behind my back and laughing at my desire security and freedom.