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posted by martyb on Thursday June 06 2019, @12:39AM   Printer-friendly
from the "The-Graduate" dept.

Bloomberg:

As the world strives to wean itself off fossil fuels, oil companies have been turning to plastic as the key to their future. Now even that's looking overly optimistic.

The global crackdown on plastic trash threatens to take a big chunk out of demand growth just as oil companies like Saudi Aramco sink billions into plastic and chemicals assets. Royal Dutch Shell Plc, BP Plc, Total SA and Exxon Mobil Corp. are all ramping up investments in the sector.

Renewed emphasis on recycling and the spread of local bans on some kinds of plastic products could cut petrochemical demand growth to one-third of its historical pace, to about 1.5% a year, said Paul Bjacek, a principal director at consulting firm Accenture Plc.

Maybe they can convince consumers to accept clamshell packaging for everything.


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  • (Score: 3, Funny) by fustakrakich on Thursday June 06 2019, @01:52AM (4 children)

    by fustakrakich (6150) on Thursday June 06 2019, @01:52AM (#852015) Journal

    But instead they do the reverse, and sell you a *for a better planet* shopping bag. And now, you have to buy extra bags for garbage.

    It's all part of the Shopping Bag Industrial Complex that Eisenhower warned us about.

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  • (Score: 5, Insightful) by HiThere on Thursday June 06 2019, @03:31AM (3 children)

    by HiThere (866) on Thursday June 06 2019, @03:31AM (#852039) Journal

    An estimate that I've seen was that unless you reused that "reusable bag" more than 30 times, it was more environmentally destructive than the single use plastic. This is clearly subject to a lot of variation, as different bags are considerably different, but the point here is that the "reusable bags sold by Lucky Supermarket (I didn't check the others) are so flimsy that they'd be luck to get five uses before collapsing while you were carrying them. They aren't the durable canvas that people used to use.

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    • (Score: 3, Informative) by krishnoid on Thursday June 06 2019, @05:32AM (1 child)

      by krishnoid (1156) on Thursday June 06 2019, @05:32AM (#852083)

      If you're going to go with a plastic-ish bag, "BAGGU" [baggu.com] is a good contender for durability and weight-bearing (albeit pricey). They also never seem to go on sale.

      • (Score: 2) by krishnoid on Friday June 07 2019, @12:32AM

        by krishnoid (1156) on Friday June 07 2019, @12:32AM (#852494)

        Actually, as I write this, Bloomingdale's and Nordstrom's online both have sizable-discount limited-quantity sales on some of the uglier/plainer designs this week. I just bought some.

    • (Score: 4, Informative) by FatPhil on Thursday June 06 2019, @09:17AM

      by FatPhil (863) <{pc-soylent} {at} {asdf.fi}> on Thursday June 06 2019, @09:17AM (#852139) Homepage
      The figure I saw (and I guess it depends on the precise bag) was that the "bags for life" need to be used 200 times before they were better environmentally than a plastic bag. Even brown paper ones needed to be used 5 times.

      Like either of those will ever happen. Having said that, I've returned a small pile of brown paper bags to my local beer shop a few times, so at least some of them are getting more than one use.

      The spare plastic bags I keep in the side pocket of my rucksack have been there for a few years, and have been used a dozen or so times. There's nothing intrinsically demonic about plastic bags, as long as you're prepared to pay the same attention to their use as you would to brown paper bags or bags for life. "Doing your bit for the environment" most sensibly means "using the plastic bag 30 or so times, and when it's lost its integrity, disposing of in in the 'plastics only' recycling bin".

      This is one of those religious green issues, where alas far-from-ideal idealistic woo-woo reigns supreme.

      Oh, 173: https://fee.org/articles/banning-plastic-bags-isnt-just-bad-economics-its-bad-for-the-environment/
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