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Microsoft has been ordered to provide documents stored in an Ireland data centre to the US government. http://www.datacenterdynamics.com/focus/archive/2014/08/microsoft-ordered-hand-over-dublin-data. Will this hinder US companies offering cloud services?
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Eire is Part of the USA According to US Court
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Now KEN and BARBIE are PERMANENTLY ADDICTED to MIND-ALTERING DRUGS ...
(Score: 5, Insightful) by wonkey_monkey on Monday August 04 2014, @01:50PM
No, that's nothing like what they've said, and it just sounds childish to put it like that.
systemd is Roko's Basilisk
(Score: 3, Insightful) by khchung on Monday August 04 2014, @02:11PM
I was just going to write a post with the same subject.
Since Microsoft had some money in the US, and EU court had ordered Microsoft to pay some fine in the past, the headline would then be "US is part of the EU according to EU court".
I know we don't have much submissions, but sometimes, it is better to have fewer higher quality items, so people can focus more comments on those.
(Score: 3, Insightful) by bob_super on Monday August 04 2014, @03:51PM
The topic is interesting.
Microsoft and most cloud providers are arguing to the courts that the US justice department cannot seize assets in another country. They're not trying to play semantics or protect the drug dealer in question. They said "you don't have jurisdiction in another country" and the judge replied "if it's digital, it's not another country".
The US cloud providers just got handed a huge blow. Competitors must feel pretty good.
Expect congress to get mightily funded to resolve that problem as soon as they're back from doing less nothing than usual.
(Score: 2) by DeathMonkey on Monday August 04 2014, @05:55PM
Better headline:
US company still subject to US laws even if they store some data on an overseas server.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday August 04 2014, @06:59PM
Are you suggesting that companies should not have to follow local laws and regulations for whichever country in which they're located, regardless of their origin? We should make offshoring even more lucrative and beneficial and simply make them above all laws!
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday August 04 2014, @03:43PM
Editors: please clamp down on trollish, misleading, and exaggerating headlines.
(Score: 2) by sjames on Monday August 04 2014, @04:25PM
Fully agreed. The court ruled that MS is a US company and so is subject to U.S. law.
If MS and co have a problem with that, perhaps they'd care to throw in with the citizens (for once) and protest the NSA and other government snoops.
(Score: 2) by HiThere on Monday August 04 2014, @07:48PM
Trouble is, the judge may have ordered the subsidiary in Eire to violate Irish law. I'm not really sure that happened, but if not it was extremely close to such a situation, and IIUC no legal distinction was made as to whether the demanded action would be illegal for the subsidiary to perform.
Javascript is what you use to allow unknown third parties to run software you have no idea about on your computer.
(Score: 2) by sjames on Monday August 04 2014, @09:26PM
That is a huge legal gray area that may well come to the forefront. The U.S. courts have jurisdiction to order MS to turn over information that it is in possession of (wherever it may be physically stored) but the EU court has jurisdiction over data physically stored in the EU.
Lawyers could battle for a very long time deciding how that resolves.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday August 04 2014, @10:04PM
Beyond just childish, it is almost as if instead of creating a new community site for nerds, they've decided to compete with slashdot for the lowest common denominator. Except, one of these sites has enough traffic to make money, and the other doesn't.
Presumably we're being sold out not for cash, but for the fantasy of getting cash for having sold us out. Goes along with the libertarian/right wing philosophy we're also subjected to.