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Interesting info on how big a scum Biden is, and why maybe Trump may win again.
If they don't dump Biden, Trump will ROAST HIS ASS and win. Again.

Are they THAT STUPID to push him forward?

https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/marc-thiessen-joe-bidens-electability

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  • (Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Saturday July 27 2019, @08:01PM (11 children)

    Not much of a maybe to it. Unless they run someone outside the establishment who's also not a radical LWNJ, he's going to win again and that's all there is to it. I'll probably be tossing my vote either towards the most electable third party or to going fishing on election day.

    It's annoying when clickbait-spewing asshats agree with me but even a stopped clock is right twice a day.

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    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday July 27 2019, @09:54PM (10 children)

      by Anonymous Coward on Saturday July 27 2019, @09:54PM (#872098)

      Biden is Hilary 2.0 and is a "swamp monster" so bad that the Creature from the Black Lagoon would tell him to take it down a notch or five. The only reason he leads the polls is because everyone has heard of him. These are basically name-recognition polls at this point, not actual chances of winning in over a year from now, and by the time the election rolls around everyone will know both candidate's names.

      In addition, the democrats are suffering from the same flaw in thinking this time around too: YOU DON'T NEED TO GET YOUR BASE TO VOTE FOR YOU. Your base wouldn't be considered your base if they weren't already going to vote for you. Instead you need to get outsiders and disenfranchised (in the motivational sense, not legal sense) to vote for you. That is how you win. Barack went from unknown to winner with that strategy, and did it somewhat less effectively the second time around, Bernie almost got the nomination that way, W. got the nomination that way and at least one presidential election, Clinton got the nomination and elections that way and almost got his VP one vicariously, and Trump got the nomination that way and the presidency.

      Instead of doubling down on bad strategies, try attracting new people. Trump runs the big risk of losing a big chunk of people through clever maneuvering by a democratic opponent to pounce on obvious weak spots. In addition, the Democrats are smart enough to do it. The problem is that Democrats would rather keep Trump in power to keep the money flowing in to their elite and their own power, than lose it by nominating someone that can actually win but would flip their own power structure on its head. And the media on both sides is more than happy to oblige.

      Finally, you should think about getting an absentee ballot. That way you can vote for whomever (third party is better than nothing) AND go fishing on election day!

      • (Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Saturday July 27 2019, @10:19PM

        Finally, you should think about getting an absentee ballot. That way you can vote for whomever (third party is better than nothing) AND go fishing on election day!

        ♫ Real men of genius... ♫

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      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday July 28 2019, @12:33AM (8 children)

        by Anonymous Coward on Sunday July 28 2019, @12:33AM (#872133)

        The only reason he leads the polls is because everyone has heard of him

        Yes, we've heard of him. We've heard of AOC too. Is the party paying for the polls? Cause among everybody I know that doesn't have their head completely up the DNC's ass, Biden never comes up.

        Now once we get closer to the convention next year, I'll see people rationalize why as leftists they should support Biden, just like they did when they jumped ship from Bernie to Hillary in 2016.

        But that is still far away. Biden is currently the anointed one, but the tables could still turn if his touching or his late son's interests in the Ukraine become significant.

        • (Score: 2, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday July 28 2019, @01:12AM

          by Anonymous Coward on Sunday July 28 2019, @01:12AM (#872136)

          You aren't keeping mind how these polls are conducted. First, they poll the random people who answer calls to their (usually landline) phones from numbers they don't know and have the time to sit there and fill out said survey for $5, if anything is offered at all. Second, they will also ask questions like this: "I’m going to read a list of possible candidates for the Democratic nomination for President in 2020. As you hear each name on the list, please tell me, on a scale of one to five, that candidates chances of beating the Republican candidate if the 2020 Presidential Election were being held today? [list of names]"

          Both of those factors together work in Biden's favor due to their resulting sample and the way the question is phrased. Not to mention, the counfounders like ordering of candidates, choice fatigue, subject fatigue, and more. And that is before you get into things like push polling, unblinding and other manipulations.

          But speaking of poll questions, my all time favorite poll question is “Who is the candidate you’d rather grab a beer with?” That was used for multiple elections to try to get at likability between candidates, until G.W.B. started winning that poll question with huge margin. Even a majority of Democrats were choosing him over Gore. So the Democratic operatives famously started to make fun of the question to downplay what it is really showing (while dismissing how they themselves used it for years).

        • (Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Monday July 29 2019, @05:00PM (6 children)

          You've only heard of AOC if you pay way too much fucking attention to politics and not enough to the people in your life that actually matter. Or if you have a roomie who can't pry himself away from political podcasts.

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          • (Score: -1, Spam) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday July 30 2019, @02:47AM (3 children)

            by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday July 30 2019, @02:47AM (#872969)

            faaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaart noiiiiiiiiiiissssssee

            • (Score: 2) by Gaaark on Tuesday July 30 2019, @01:38PM (2 children)

              by Gaaark (41) Subscriber Badge on Tuesday July 30 2019, @01:38PM (#873080) Journal

              Glad you could offer up so much to the conversation!

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              • (Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday July 31 2019, @06:03PM (1 child)

                by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday July 31 2019, @06:03PM (#873645)

                On par with the post it was replying to, and more useful than your whining. I WIN THE INTERNET!

                • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday July 31 2019, @09:55PM

                  by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday July 31 2019, @09:55PM (#873739)

                  It was a single one-off post that was clearly mocking another post. That isn't exactly "spam."

          • (Score: 1) by fustakrakich on Tuesday July 30 2019, @04:59PM (1 child)

            by fustakrakich (6150) on Tuesday July 30 2019, @04:59PM (#873170) Journal

            Or if you have a roomie who can't pry himself away from political podcasts.

            Such a horrible waste! Unless he's out ice fishing or something. Tell him he would be much better off listening to the pope read the Liturgy, in Latin (if today's popes still know Latin).

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            • (Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Tuesday July 30 2019, @10:55PM

              I've tried my best but he even listens to stoned dumbass Joe Rogan (nice guy but, yes, he's usually stoned and usually a dumbass) when he runs out of intelligent talking heads to listen to. I've taken to just putting headphones in and listening to music on road trips to keep from trying to choke the driver while moving.

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  • (Score: 2) by takyon on Saturday July 27 2019, @08:11PM (15 children)

    by takyon (881) <{takyon} {at} {soylentnews.org}> on Saturday July 27 2019, @08:11PM (#872074) Journal

    Faux News? Goork is a Canazi! Wwwhehehehheeheeeeeh 🇨🇦卐🍁

    Nah, it's too soon to predict winners, and you can always have an October surprise. Biden being picked as the nominee and losing due to sexual harassment stuff would be funny though. His baggage is just obvious:

    Lucy Flores isn’t alone. Joe Biden has a long history of touching women inappropriately. The media gave Biden a pass for years. It won’t in 2020. [vox.com]
    'I Don't Know, Man': Joe Biden Cracks #MeToo Joke to Room Full of Union Workers [commondreams.org]
    Reckoning with the Joe Bidens of the #MeToo Movement [vice.com]
    Joe Biden's #MeToo Adventure Continues [soylentnews.org]

    Trump has baggage, but:

    1. Most of Trump's baggage has been aired. Or should have been by now. There was that Epstein tape, but it was a n0thingburg3r. Only a stream of pee can break down the teflon at this point.
    2. Biden hasn't been scrutinized as closely. The creepy touching was an open joke for years but wasn't touched by mainstream media until recently.
    3. Most of the #MeToo support is on the left, so Biden's creepiness will hurt him with his pool of voters more than Trump with his.

    Another line of thought is that literally any Democratic candidate has a good chance of winning in 2020, even more left-leaning ones. This could be undermined if the economy remains "strong". But the polls support it for now:

    Biden, Sanders and Warren lead Trump in 2020 election matchup: NBC/Wall Street Journal poll [cnbc.com]

    Oh but 2016 killed the poll! Polls are meaningless! (Just correct it by 5-10 points and move on.)

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    • (Score: 2) by takyon on Saturday July 27 2019, @08:35PM (14 children)

      by takyon (881) <{takyon} {at} {soylentnews.org}> on Saturday July 27 2019, @08:35PM (#872080) Journal

      A counterpoint to #1: a lot of people were caught off guard by Trump's win, and want him gone. There's little chance of him being removed from office or resigning. Maybe the archives are being scoured for embarrassing Trump material that will only be released later in 2020, when it can do the most damage.

      Also, I see that the Fox News link is a Bezos Post paywall buster. But there are other reprints [inquirer.com] so you are still pure evil.

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      • (Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Saturday July 27 2019, @10:24PM (4 children)

        Judopoint to your counterpoint: None of the people who voted for him are going to dislike what he's done more than they dislike what the Democrats will do if they get yet another tedious establishment candidate elected. Everyone who thought being a garden variety asshole was worse than being a career politician voted D last time and it wasn't enough.

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        • (Score: 2) by takyon on Saturday July 27 2019, @10:33PM (3 children)

          by takyon (881) <{takyon} {at} {soylentnews.org}> on Saturday July 27 2019, @10:33PM (#872112) Journal

          There's got to be something he could be caught saying or doing that would turn his supporters off of him.

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          • (Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Saturday July 27 2019, @10:39PM

            In ancient history? Not likely. It would need to be exciting and new and fall outside the bounds of just being an asshole or it would be dog bites man instead of the other way around.

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          • (Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Sunday July 28 2019, @02:49AM

            by Runaway1956 (2926) Subscriber Badge on Sunday July 28 2019, @02:49AM (#872168) Homepage Journal

            I suppose he could start exporting jobs to some country where starving people will work 16 hours a day for food? That was a popular tactic in US politics for awhile.

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          • (Score: 2) by Arik on Sunday July 28 2019, @10:06AM

            by Arik (4543) on Sunday July 28 2019, @10:06AM (#872248) Journal
            Sure, but you have to understand that his 'supporters' are individuals, you don't peel them all off with one thing. In fact things that peel off one group will cement another.

            They can peel me off with one simple act; e.g. nominate Tulsi Gabbard.

            Shut her out, like Dr. Paul in 2012, like Bernie Sanders in 2016, and yeah, I'll hold my nose and vote for Trump; if I show up at all.
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      • (Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Sunday July 28 2019, @02:21AM (8 children)

        by Runaway1956 (2926) Subscriber Badge on Sunday July 28 2019, @02:21AM (#872161) Homepage Journal

        There's little chance of him being removed from office or resigning.

        The single most likely reason for Trump's removal from office, is age or health. And, I think I would be physically ill if I had to watch Trump's funeral. Imagine Pelosi delivering a eulogy, while wearing the look of the cat who ate the canary. Or, O'Crazio Cortez trying to say something not-unkind about Trump. Ugh! We thought McCain's funeral was a circus? Phhht. For that reason alone, I hope Trump outlives all the old crones on the D side of the aisle.

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        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday July 29 2019, @03:30PM (7 children)

          by Anonymous Coward on Monday July 29 2019, @03:30PM (#872675)

          I thought you didn't like the guy. Guess we're past that little bit of fiction.

          Funny how you spew hate while trying to play the victim. Oh wait, tragic and sad isn't funny.

          • (Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Monday July 29 2019, @04:21PM (6 children)

            by Runaway1956 (2926) Subscriber Badge on Monday July 29 2019, @04:21PM (#872700) Homepage Journal

            Dafuq? I don't like Trump? I don't like Biden? Well . . . correct on both. WTF is your point here? I made an observation. Trump isn't leaving office until one of the following conditions are met:
            1. he is voted out
            2. he is incapacitated
            3. he dies
            4. his second term expires

            And, no matter how arrogant a shit Trump might be, many of his detractors are even lesser beings. Rabid left is rabid left, which is just as bad as the rabid right.

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            • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday July 29 2019, @11:07PM (5 children)

              by Anonymous Coward on Monday July 29 2019, @11:07PM (#872884)

              "Rabid left is rabid left, which is just as bad as the rabid right."

              Hmm, multiple murders vs. bike lock and milkshakes? Hold my beer, I think I can out crazy this dipshit before he runs away.

              • (Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Monday July 29 2019, @11:25PM (4 children)

                by Runaway1956 (2926) Subscriber Badge on Monday July 29 2019, @11:25PM (#872894) Homepage Journal

                Which is worse? Being murdered, or being put in chains? But, you don't even have to really choose between the two. The left's Redneck Revolt is gearing up to do the murders too. https://www.redneckrevolt.org/ [redneckrevolt.org] As a generality, the left likes to take over a country before the murders start, but when they get rolling, they kill a lot. National socialists in Germany, Soviets in Russia, Communists in China, and the list goes on.

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                • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday July 30 2019, @03:35PM (3 children)

                  by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday July 30 2019, @03:35PM (#873132)

                  And the right just kicks off with genocide, slavery, and greed. Learn what words mean if you want to have an adult conversation.

                  • (Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Tuesday July 30 2019, @04:11PM (2 children)

                    by Runaway1956 (2926) Subscriber Badge on Tuesday July 30 2019, @04:11PM (#873145) Homepage Journal

                    I know what words mean, child. Pretty much the same things they meant 100 years ago, 200 years ago, and 500 years ago. It's you kids who don't understand the words you use. "Literally Hitler"? FFS, you're going to point out the mote in my eye, when you can't see past the beam in your own eye?

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  • (Score: 3, Insightful) by Azuma Hazuki on Saturday July 27 2019, @09:11PM (18 children)

    by Azuma Hazuki (5086) on Saturday July 27 2019, @09:11PM (#872088) Journal

    Now I'm not sure if they're going to mean to do it when they do it, but the party is split down the middle by what's effectively a civil war--the one the Democrats and Republicans of 1980 or so SHOULD have had--and as has been observed before the corporate wing (the Reagan Republicans basically) controls the party. They're going to run Biden because he's the "safe" choice, just like Clinton couldn't *possibly* lose to Trump, and the GOP will take 2020.

    Around then, the economy will crater. A few of the smarter Dems will pretend this was the crazy-like-a-fox plan all along. Dems win in 2024, and would win if they ran Beavis and Butthead anyway, at that point. But what is there left to govern?

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    • (Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Saturday July 27 2019, @10:36PM (5 children)

      Broke-ass motherfucker wages rose above inflation inflation levels in 2018. Nobody else's did. That's not been seen in a very long time and it might make convincing the working man that he should vote blue a little more difficult.

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      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday July 29 2019, @03:34PM (1 child)

        by Anonymous Coward on Monday July 29 2019, @03:34PM (#872679)

        Citation needed

      • (Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday July 31 2019, @09:58PM (2 children)

        by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday July 31 2019, @09:58PM (#873740)

        And yet almost half the country can't afford a $400 emergency. Very, very few people in the country can afford a $1,000 emergency. Yeah, the economy sure is great... for the mega-rich, mostly. The stock market being up mostly (mostly) benefits the rich. Strangely, it seems that the vast majority of the metrics the corporate media uses to determine whether or not the economy is doing well really mostly tell you how well the mega-rich are doing. I think that might be intentional.

        • (Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Wednesday July 31 2019, @10:36PM (1 child)

          by The Mighty Buzzard (18) Subscriber Badge <themightybuzzard@proton.me> on Wednesday July 31 2019, @10:36PM (#873760) Homepage Journal

          If you can't afford an emergency, that's on you not on society. No matter what you make, you should always save back at least three months of living expenses. If you go out and buy anything non-essential before doing so, emergencies you can't afford are entirely your own fault.

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          • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday August 03 2019, @11:03PM

            by Anonymous Coward on Saturday August 03 2019, @11:03PM (#875278)

            I agree that people should be more financially responsible and reduce their mindless, destructive consumerism, but the point is that even in this so-called great economy, the situation of the average person isn't really improving in any significant way. Corporate welfare doesn't help the average person.

    • (Score: 3, Insightful) by takyon on Saturday July 27 2019, @10:40PM (9 children)

      by takyon (881) <{takyon} {at} {soylentnews.org}> on Saturday July 27 2019, @10:40PM (#872117) Journal

      If Americans become fed up with Trump, the opposing Democrat can win by default. So this might be the best time ever to get a left-of-center candidate elected.

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      • (Score: 1) by Arik on Sunday July 28 2019, @09:50AM (8 children)

        by Arik (4543) on Sunday July 28 2019, @09:50AM (#872246) Journal
        But Americans are manifestly not fed up with Trump. His approval rating is pretty near his all time high.

        If you want to win the US Presidential election, in any decade of any century so far, you want to claim the center and paint the opposition as immoderate.

        The fact that someone as radically immoderate as Donald Trump is able to keep his approval ratings high is entirely up to how radically immoderate the opposition seems to the general populace, due to the two groups living in separate /umwelten/ so that what seems quite moderate and inoffensive in one world is /literally Hitler/ in the other, and vice versa.
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        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday July 28 2019, @04:19PM (6 children)

          by Anonymous Coward on Sunday July 28 2019, @04:19PM (#872322)

          I disagree there. Had the democrats made Sanders, definitely not a centrist, the nominee, he would have won handily against Trump.
          If Sanders had only accepted the Green party's nomination for a Sanders / Stein ticket, he could very well have won what I'm estimating would have turned out 30-35% for each candidate.

          • (Score: 2) by Arik on Sunday July 28 2019, @05:29PM (3 children)

            by Arik (4543) on Sunday July 28 2019, @05:29PM (#872332) Journal
            I don't see how that's disagreement. Sanders was more appealing to the center than Clinton, and would have undoubtedly done better against Trump, almost certainly won; had he not been kneecapped in the primaries by the DNC cheating.

            Don't let Bernie fool you, he claims to be a socialist but he's not. He's just an idiot. A nice old idiot that doesn't rub his hands together with glee at the thought of dropping bombs on poor people in other countries.
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            • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday July 28 2019, @06:01PM (1 child)

              by Anonymous Coward on Sunday July 28 2019, @06:01PM (#872347)

              An idiot? You are entitled to your opinion, but I don't think the people of Vermont would have elected an "idiot" to the senate for 20 years. Sanders successfully fought for my pension, taking time to come and support us when we weren't even his constituents. And I couldn't disrespect his courage in travelling down South to protest for civil rights in the 1960s. He risked his skin for his fellow man.

              • (Score: 2) by Arik on Sunday July 28 2019, @07:17PM

                by Arik (4543) on Sunday July 28 2019, @07:17PM (#872382) Journal
                He's a cut above many of the other possibles, yes. I'm actually quite fond of the old coot.

                But what else can you call someone who takes relatively centrist positions then mis-labels them as 'socialist' which stops a lot of those middle of the road voters that he might otherwise reach to immediately stop listening?

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            • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday July 28 2019, @06:22PM

              by Anonymous Coward on Sunday July 28 2019, @06:22PM (#872360)

              It is the polls. He and his team knows that after years, and decades, of Republicans and Democratic establishments using the word "socialism" for policies they don't like, people who like some of those policies start responding to the word socialism. This really shouldn't surprise them at all. And, it is literally so bad that their pollsters keep telling them to stop using the word at all, because it increases support for a policy among a growing group of constituents. Not surprising that a social democrat, who gets vilified that way anyway, wants to take the bump in the polls he will get from using the term.

          • (Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Monday July 29 2019, @05:10PM (1 child)

            You vastly underestimate the average American's revulsion to the word "socialist".

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            • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday July 30 2019, @02:51AM

              by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday July 30 2019, @02:51AM (#872973)

              A minority, by definition, can not be "average". I guess all that book learnin' was left to those damn city slickers.

        • (Score: 2) by NotSanguine on Friday August 02 2019, @07:41PM

          The fact that someone as radically immoderate as Donald Trump is able to keep his approval ratings high

          42% to you is high? That's been Trump's approval rating pretty consistently throughout 2017-present. No matter what happens, good or bad, his approval rating has stayed pretty consistent.

          And the only reason they've stayed that high is that elected R's have no conscience or willingness to call out the slimy shenanigans that have been going on. Spineless scum.

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    • (Score: 2) by NotSanguine on Friday August 02 2019, @07:38PM (1 child)

      Now I'm not sure if they're going to mean to do it when they do it, but the party is split down the middle by what's effectively a twitter war

      There. FTFY.

      Just about all the polls show that the "war" within the Democratic Party is primarily a small number of folks duking it out on Twitter, not a huge split in the party. What's more, there are huge numbers of Democrats who don't care which candidate gets the nomination, as long as they can vote against L'Orange.

      Let's not forget that it was ~70,000 votes in three states (WI, MI, PA) that got Trump elected. In 2016, turnout was down in the urban areas of WI and MI, but slightly up in PA. As such, as long as the Dems can turn out their base (which they failed to do effectively in 2016) in those three states, Trump will lose in 2020.

      Note that it was only ~10,000 votes (0.77%) in WI, ~11,000 votes (0.23%) in MI, and ~49,500 votes (0.72%) in PA that put Trump over the top.

      It was clear *during* the 2016 election that the Democrats needed to pay more attention to those states, but did not do so. I suspect they won't make that mistake again.

      There was no "landslide" for Trump, nor was there any great groundswell of support for him specifically. In fact, the difference lay in lower turnout by African-Americans (vis a vis Barack Obama) and gullible older white folks who believed all the disinformation about Hillary Clinton (PizzaGate, Seth Rich, inaccurate details of how Clinton Foundation donations were/are spent, etc., etc., etc.).

      As such, any reasonable candidate should have no problem defeating Trump, as long as they make sure to turn out the D base and remind folks that we don't need a lying, obnoxious, dishonest amateur in the White House.

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      • (Score: 2) by Gaaark on Saturday August 03 2019, @03:00AM

        by Gaaark (41) Subscriber Badge on Saturday August 03 2019, @03:00AM (#874956) Journal

        I truly believe Trip got in because of a "Hell no,not Her" response.

        I believe Bernie would have beat Trump.
        I'd like to see a Warren/Sanders ticket.

        That means the bright lights in the D party will go with Biden and get beaten again.

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  • (Score: 1) by Sulla on Saturday July 27 2019, @09:39PM (8 children)

    by Sulla (5173) on Saturday July 27 2019, @09:39PM (#872096) Journal

    Its going to be Harris.

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    • (Score: 2) by Gaaark on Saturday July 27 2019, @11:46PM (7 children)

      by Gaaark (41) Subscriber Badge on Saturday July 27 2019, @11:46PM (#872127) Journal

      Please.... don't be so wordy!

      Is this just a prediction or is there something backing the thought?

      I don't get to read the news as often as i'd like and following US news is often like following a puppy, lol.

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      • (Score: 3, Informative) by takyon on Sunday July 28 2019, @01:24AM

        by takyon (881) <{takyon} {at} {soylentnews.org}> on Sunday July 28 2019, @01:24AM (#872138) Journal

        Harris grew into a contender by attacking Biden at the debate and making him look like a racist dotard.

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fUutymbDLI0 [youtube.com]

        "MY TIME IS UP"

        Here's a background of that exchange: https://www.politico.com/story/2019/06/28/kamala-harris-joe-biden-debate-1390383 [politico.com]

        I think the shine has worn off a bit since then, but there are more debates and more chances to seize the spotlight.

        https://www.nytimes.com/2019/07/18/us/politics/next-democratic-debate-cnn.html [nytimes.com]

        Second set of debates has Sanders vs. Warren on night 1, and on night 2 Biden is literally sandwiched by the black candidates, Kamala Harris and Cory Booker.

        It would be nice to see some of the superfluous candidates exit the clown car so there's more speaking time per candidate. Get out of here, de Blasio.

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      • (Score: 1) by Sulla on Sunday July 28 2019, @01:31AM (1 child)

        by Sulla (5173) on Sunday July 28 2019, @01:31AM (#872140) Journal

        Harris has the political savvy to win, is willing to make the low blows that take out opponents, and is power hungry. She will do very well as the primary wears on but will have a hard time in the general election. She is more able than any other candidate running for the Dems except for maybe Biden, and as Biden said;

        my time is up

        I have been asking a lot of the democrats where I live about who they will vote for. Most people I talk to would be willing to vote for Biden in the general, but everyone else is too far left for them. But such is rural and suburban democrats.

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        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday August 01 2019, @06:42AM

          by Anonymous Coward on Thursday August 01 2019, @06:42AM (#873898)

          She's not more able than Bernie, who is an actual populist. You don't take down a fake populist lunatic like Trump with a corporatist like Harris.

      • (Score: 3, Funny) by Runaway1956 on Sunday July 28 2019, @02:29AM (1 child)

        by Runaway1956 (2926) Subscriber Badge on Sunday July 28 2019, @02:29AM (#872162) Homepage Journal

        following US news is often like following a puppy, lol.

        Stop being unkind to puppies. Everything a pup does makes sense. American politics? Not so much.

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      • (Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Sunday July 28 2019, @05:50PM (1 child)

        by Runaway1956 (2926) Subscriber Badge on Sunday July 28 2019, @05:50PM (#872342) Homepage Journal

        I just refreshed my front page, and skimmed down to the journal entries. The title just sparked a couple of memories.

        I didn't know Joe Biden was SUCH a swamp monster!

        What we don't know, often shocks us, when we learn about it.

        Number one: When I moved with the wife back to her property in Arkansas, I met a near neighbor who was involved with the local youth. Some organization similar to Boy Scouts, with a French sounding name. I thought he was an alright guy - didn't find any reason to like him a lot, or to dislike him. We would chat now and then. Until, that is, the local authorities arrested him for child molestation. My thoughts went several different directions, including, "I'm glad he was caught before my boys were old enough to be influenced by him!" That house has stood empty ever since, no one wants to live in it.

        Number two: A coworker, from my perspective, much the same as Number one above. We talked, shared techniques, shared news stories, etc. He was a pretty good guy, from my viewpoint. Then, he was arrested for spouse abuse AND child sexual abuse. Fek. The evidence strongly supported the spousal abuse, the sexual abuse far less so, but there had obviously been some improprieties.

        There have been a couple others, over the years. When you have ranked people as "good guys" only to find that they are really pigs and/or predators when they are out of your sight, it's always a shock.

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        • (Score: 2) by Gaaark on Sunday July 28 2019, @11:35PM

          by Gaaark (41) Subscriber Badge on Sunday July 28 2019, @11:35PM (#872446) Journal

          One place we lived in was just down from where my wife grew up: across the road from us was an old guy who'd been jailed for abusing his kids.
          He served his time and got out, but our daughter could never understand why we wouldn't let her play with his granddaughter across the road.

          A few years after we moved we heard that his granddaughter turned him in to the cops. Poor girl, but GOOD for her!

          It's a SAD world some times.

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  • (Score: 3, Insightful) by Arik on Sunday July 28 2019, @09:43AM (4 children)

    by Arik (4543) on Sunday July 28 2019, @09:43AM (#872245) Journal
    If the Democrats want to win, they need to pick a candidate that's closer to the center than Donald Trump, and or less creepy than Donald Trump, preferably both.

    That seems like such a small ask. But it also seems like they aren't capable of doing it.
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    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday July 28 2019, @04:33PM (1 child)

      by Anonymous Coward on Sunday July 28 2019, @04:33PM (#872325)

      Hillary was probably the most extreme centrist they could have nominated, but the people didn't want her. What would her presidency have been like? Her positions would have been all over the place, just not for the working class: meddling in foreign states with thousands of troops probably getting deployed, needless attempts to poach from Russia's back yard, tacit approval of illegal immigration, free government money for urban blacks, grandiose high speed rail plans, higher taxes on consumption. Pretty much a continuation of an Obama style administration.
      Nothing for the average Joe trying to raise a family and make ends meet.

      • (Score: 2) by Arik on Sunday July 28 2019, @05:41PM

        by Arik (4543) on Sunday July 28 2019, @05:41PM (#872335) Journal
        "Hillary was probably the most extreme centrist they could have nominated, but the people didn't want her"

        Clinton was a veteran politician who switched positions with the wind, yes, that can be a way to win. But in this case the problem is we knew her. We knew her from two terms in the White House, plus her time as SecState etc. And she's just an utterly awful person, she's proven that too many times and too many voters remember that. It doesn't even matter what policy positions she took at that point - we all knew she'd say anything to get elected, then do whatever she wanted afterwards. No one could trust her positions as a result. There's a sizable portion of the electorate that are simply never going to vote for her, for anything, ever again.

        "What would her presidency have been like?"

        A step over the line into a full-on fascist and imperial state.

        "Pretty much a continuation of an Obama style administration."

        She would have been much worse than Obama. Obama didn't end the wars like he should have, but he DID resist a lot pressure to recklessly expand them. Clinton would not have resisted, she was one of the ones constantly applying pressure.

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    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday July 31 2019, @07:26AM (1 child)

      by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday July 31 2019, @07:26AM (#873462)

      Well, if you look at the polls that ask Americans about their positions on specific policy issues, they turn out to be rather left-wing. That goes for marijuana all the way to medicare-for-all, and a bunch of other issues as well. Where does this idea that the Democrats always need to run a centrist in order to win come from? Not from reality, that's for sure.

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday July 31 2019, @06:09PM

        by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday July 31 2019, @06:09PM (#873650)

        Corporate media trying to maintain the quasi uni-party.

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