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The new millimeter-wave network, or what AT&T calls "5G+," will be available in "parts" of New York City, though parts may be a bit of a stretch. In its release, AT&T acknowledges that the service will be in "limited areas initially" with a company spokesperson telling CNET that the new service will be available first in parts "near and around East Village, Greenwich Village and Gramercy Park."
[...] "As a densely-populated, global business and entertainment hub, New York City stands to benefit greatly from having access to 5G, and we've been eager to introduce the service here," said Amy Kramer, president of AT&T's New York region, in a statement. "While our initial availability in NYC is a limited introduction at launch, we're committed to working closely with the City to extend coverage to more neighborhoods throughout the five boroughs."
[...] It is still unclear when AT&T will make 5G available to everyone, but the company plans to deploy a nationwide 5G network on its wider-ranging "sub-6" spectrum in the "first half of 2020."
(Score: 0, Troll) by jmichaelhudsondotnet on Wednesday August 07 2019, @09:07AM (15 children)
I reject the proposition that I must passively accept whatever EMF some or a number of humans or corporations wants to install in my vicinity.
I support the human right to defend themselves from getting shit beamed into their brain that they do not want.
I would like to start a company in the east village where we do a complete EMF scan of apartments and demonstrate to fancy lawyers that we have a class action lawsuit. Also, faraday cage beds, I have tons of prior art on this if you're going to start this company just hire me so I don't have to take everything you have later in litigation.
The fact is due to random physical geometries and constructive interference, there are just going to be some places at this point that are actually dangerous or unpleasant I slept in a room under a 3/4g tower last year and I know I could feel it and I hated it.
Has anyone even done just this one bit of research, the blind room test where 100 people go into x rooms with y different radiation setups and see if anyone can tell a difference or feel anything? On even the very first things about this technology's effects on us, we are totally ignorant. Much less the actual bizarro physics of wave energy and molecular resonance, etc etc.
The rights of the majority do not include beaming whatever the f they want into the brains of the minority, 'go live in a cave' is not a civilized solution to the problem of faction in a pluralist society. But a pluralist society is not what some people want, and this issue is a great way to drive the remaining sector of the population with any remaining critical thinking capacity to the brink, so of course they are 'rolling it out' as soon as humanly possible even though in some parts of the country water pipes are considered too advanced of a technology.
(Score: -1, Flamebait) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday August 07 2019, @10:23AM (1 child)
Good for you! In fact, why use a cell phone at all if you don't want to accept their signals? If you're specifically concerned about what AT&T claims is 5G then you are free to move to one of the parts of the country where you claim "water pipes are considered too advanced of a technology."
I'm off to scour your journal to read your insights into AM, FM and old fashioned TV signals.
(Score: 1) by jmichaelhudsondotnet on Thursday August 08 2019, @08:54AM
The first commandment of the rules of logic is not to attack the person making the assertion, which you are doing.
5g and am radio signals are not remotely comparable technologies. Your comment is essentially anti-intellectual and only tries to end the conversation through cliche.
There were some people who thought tv and radio signals are too much. TV and radio transmitters frequently kill birds and other animals who get too close. We are talking about power scale as much as frequency.
You are saying because we accepted those technologies we must always accept new technologies, and this is a very special kind of argument, so thanks for that.
You can read my website and you will find I actually am the creator and proponent of a mathematical forumula for determining the value of technological items, and then you will learn that from my viewpoint it is a lot more about this word Trust than fourier analysis. Although the fourier analysis is also very important. If you brought me fourier analysis of 5g, that would be something that might get me to consider your contribution to this discussion, because at this point I do not.
(Score: 2) by Rupert Pupnick on Wednesday August 07 2019, @12:21PM (2 children)
I take it you don’t use cellphones at all since having a radiation source up against your skull is likely is represent a higher level of exposure than living among cell towers.
(Score: 1) by jmichaelhudsondotnet on Wednesday August 07 2019, @01:45PM (1 child)
I use cell phones but sparingly and I keep it in a different room.
The key to good work is not being interrupted while you are doing it. People who are constantly responding to random rings are effectively capping the quality of their output.
I have slept with an iphone streaming youtube within 1 ft of my head and I honestly never sleep as well, I have run the experiment and trust my own results.
Your response is a variation of 'why dont you go live in a cave' btw. Like wireless communications should be completely rejected by me because I reject a specific technology or specific change that affects me. Which is of course a straw man and a personal critique of me, and as such in severe violation of the laws of logic and good conversation.
Me: I say this thing. Rando comment response: So I guess that means you must want to live in 1800 and only use electronics you built yourself and etc etc. If you are trying to deflect from the thing I said and be anti-intellectual, this is a great tactic.
(Score: 3, Interesting) by Rupert Pupnick on Wednesday August 07 2019, @01:56PM
Please don’t read more into what I’ve written than what’s actually there. I’m actually very sympathetic to a more unplugged lifestyle myself— so much so that family members are sometimes embarrassed when I take my 10+ year old cellphone out in public. I’m just making you aware that the highest exposure levels for cellphone users likely come from the cellphone itself.
Also see my other post in this thread. I’m a 5G skeptic.
(Score: 2) by FatPhil on Wednesday August 07 2019, @03:47PM (2 children)
Should read:
I slept in a room I knew was under a 3/4g tower last year and given that knowledge I wanted to believe I could feel it.
I worked under one for years, every one of the thousands of employees did. This was during the time when consipiracy theorists were saying that the big telecomms company knew it was harmful, and were suppressing the results of their research. Those researchers were also in the same office building as me - are you suggesting Nokia was attempting to give all its Kilo (largest office in Espoo at the time) staff brain cancer? That's as crazy as saying that Judas Priest wanted their fans to commit suicide.
I'm with you on the right to sovereignty over your own space though, and think that capturing and decoding any transmission that passes through your own property or self should be legal, so if you can extract a TV station from the waves, then that should be your right, as they literally gave it to you (without your consent, and certainly without any agreement on what this gift may be used for!). (Of course, distrubuting what you capture for personal gain would be another matter entirely.)
Great minds discuss ideas; average minds discuss events; small minds discuss people; the smallest discuss themselves
(Score: 1) by jmichaelhudsondotnet on Thursday August 08 2019, @08:49AM
I think what is going on now is different. I trust the institutions less, the standards less, the government oversight less, the military spook bullshit less, and see in every possible way 5g specifically being implemented in rushed manner with manipulative answers to basic questions.
OF all the companies I trust nokia the best. I am concerned more about the frequencies then the cumulative effects in non-ideal conditions, and the potential ability of the companies and government to focus wave energy as a weapon, which I would need to know at this point was 100% ruled out as a possibility.
I do believe that if you were under a noka tower in a noka building from 2008-2012, what we are facing now is potentially different.
But thank you for your thoughtful reply. And having the ability to decrypt and intercept and use whatever they are beaming is a nice idea but will not help me sleep better at night or compensate my damages if it turns out we can't trust these people, again.
It's the same reason I don't trust monsanto/bayer or microsoft, the organization of the modern mega corporation just lends itself very easily to the imposition of new legal realities through the installation of technology.
Or to put it more succinctly, it is 'tech upgrade as rights downgrade.' Why bother with going through congress if you can just invent something congress doesn't understand and build it under a PR blitz?
(Score: 1) by jmichaelhudsondotnet on Thursday August 08 2019, @09:20AM
Until I did a blind test, go through 10 rooms with known and measurable emf and see what I could feel, none of us could know.
For some reason that is difficult to do, I'd think it'd be the first thing people should want to check before submitting to this or that generation of broadcasting emf.
I was twitchy and jumpy, I had kindof a facial tick when I was in the room. I didn't sleep as well. I didn't like how it felt and it was an actual relief to move to a different set of rooms.
I'd bet a fair amount I could detect that level of emf in a blind test, it felt different. It might be different when you're trying to relax than it is when you are trying to get stuff done. I was able to write ok and be productive.
Of course we know that the corps would never effect productivity, but relaxation and creativity and longevity etc they don't care a single bit. Fitting as always the same general behavioral pattern you would expect from an occupying alien race.
(Score: 2) by Phoenix666 on Wednesday August 07 2019, @04:27PM (3 children)
Sorry, bud, I already wallpapered my apartment with tinfoil.
Washington DC delenda est.
(Score: 1) by jmichaelhudsondotnet on Thursday August 08 2019, @08:59AM (2 children)
Which brand of tin foil? How thick? How many layers?
I have heard internet Lore where the NSA can just image rooms that have certain tiny reflectors placed in them. I think this sounds plausible. It may be in black and white but all waves can be used like radar. I think it's actually plausible that they can image rooms from satellites.
The trouble is at this point they are inventing tech and we don't know that tech exists for the first decades of its use.
How do you know what tin foil brand to choose or what to tell your congresspeople to outlaw if we don't even know that thing exists?
And this is an existential crisis for the thing we have until now considered 'government.'
(Score: 3, Funny) by Phoenix666 on Friday August 09 2019, @03:16PM (1 child)
Any brand of tinfoil will do. Just make sure the edges overlap. Also, I have a spigot outside that shoots chaff into the air periodically.
Washington DC delenda est.
(Score: 1) by jmichaelhudsondotnet on Friday August 09 2019, @08:14PM
chaff spigot, why didn't I think of that. Indeed, anything that works as a helicopter attachment you can also just attach to your house or body.
Welcome to the future.
(Score: 2) by hwertz on Wednesday August 07 2019, @04:55PM (1 child)
"I would like to start a company in the east village where we do a complete EMF scan of apartments and demonstrate to fancy lawyers that we have a class action lawsuit."
Except that won't work. They are certainly following FCC limits; the power used on mmwave is particularly low (it's line of site no matter how they set the power, so there's no reason to use high power.) There's probably more "radiation" (as the anti-cellphone types call it) pouring out of your computer while you type that message than you'll get from cell sites. Oh, are you using a cell phone? Physics fail on you.
(Score: 1) by jmichaelhudsondotnet on Thursday August 08 2019, @09:02AM
I have read differently, the results of tests and discussion about this is equivocal and not certain.
'no reason to use high power' strikes me as wrong. Also your use of 'line of sight' also strikes me as wrong because it's going through walls, so that term in this context should be meaningless.
1 beamed wave may be low power, but you do realize we are talking about thousands of these beams simultaneously for devices that have only the most tenuous claims to the need for the internet, right?
(Score: 1) by jmichaelhudsondotnet on Thursday August 08 2019, @09:31AM
this was not a troll post, that it is currently so scored should spark curiosity into the intentions of those who made that vote.