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posted by n1 on Sunday August 10 2014, @03:09PM   Printer-friendly
from the no,-your-guess-wasn't-even-close dept.

AlterNet reports:

"We are living in the most peaceful century in human history; however, the 2014 Global Peace Index shows that the last seven years has shown a notable deterioration in levels of peace."

So begins this year's peace index [script heavy site], an annual report released by the nonprofit Institute for Economics and Peace. The study ranks 162 countries (covering 99.6% of the world's population) according to a complex set of indicators that gauge the absence of violence and political instability. These include a nation's level of military expenditure, its relations with neighboring countries and the percentage of the population held in prisons.

Check out this infographic [pdf] to see which countries are the most and least peaceful, and access the IEP's full report here [pdf].

Most peaceful countries
1. Iceland
2. Denmark
3. Austria
4. New Zealand
5. Switzerland
6. Finland
7. Canada
8. Japan
9. Belgium
10. Norway

Least peaceful countries
1. Syria
2. Afghanistan
3. South Sudan
4. Iraq
5. Somalia
6. Sudan
7. Central African Republic
8. Democratic Republic of the Congo
9. Pakistan
10. North Korea
 
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  • (Score: 2) by Nerdfest on Sunday August 10 2014, @03:27PM

    by Nerdfest (80) on Sunday August 10 2014, @03:27PM (#79667)

    Very disappointing to see the security and police factor in Canada drop in the last couple of years. It now matches the US and is below Somalia.

    • (Score: 1) by Buck Feta on Sunday August 10 2014, @04:18PM

      by Buck Feta (958) on Sunday August 10 2014, @04:18PM (#79680) Journal

      At least you haven't burnt anyone's capital city to the ground in a while.

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      • (Score: 2) by c0lo on Sunday August 10 2014, @05:46PM

        by c0lo (156) on Sunday August 10 2014, @05:46PM (#79702) Journal
        I'd say... don't tempt them.
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        • (Score: 1) by Buck Feta on Sunday August 10 2014, @07:15PM

          by Buck Feta (958) on Sunday August 10 2014, @07:15PM (#79729) Journal

          Some days I'm not entirely sure it would be a bad thing.

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          • (Score: 2) by c0lo on Sunday August 10 2014, @11:49PM

            by c0lo (156) on Sunday August 10 2014, @11:49PM (#79835) Journal

            Some days I'm not entirely sure it would be a bad thing.

            If you want a thing done well, do it yourself.

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        • (Score: 1) by EETech1 on Sunday August 10 2014, @10:13PM

          by EETech1 (957) on Sunday August 10 2014, @10:13PM (#79792)

          Don't tempt them AY.

          Dooontcha-noo...

    • (Score: 1) by arslan on Sunday August 10 2014, @10:41PM

      by arslan (3462) on Sunday August 10 2014, @10:41PM (#79816)

      Think in terms of peacefulness to the world population. I was gonna comment about a few 3rd world countries I've lived in as well, but then realized, well for whatever crime rate and problems that country has, it is actually pretty peaceful at the world stage or at least its immediate surrounding regional area. So this Index really is a Global Index. Most countries have its own internal horror stories, loonies and problems, its whether that spills over its borders, which is what this seems to try to indicate. From that perspective it looks pretty accurate.

  • (Score: 2, Interesting) by Justin Case on Sunday August 10 2014, @03:34PM

    by Justin Case (4239) on Sunday August 10 2014, @03:34PM (#79668) Journal

    There's nobody there, so no fighting. Seriously: living creatures require resources, and when the population expands beyond the supply, there will be contention for those resources. It is inevitable. Of course you could impose population controls... enforced by people with guns AKA government. So, fighting again: the powerful vs. the rest of us.

    The king who does not prepare for war will be killed by the king who does.

    The only permanent peace is death.

    A few things to think about when you're done marching around in your tie died tee shirts.

    • (Score: 5, Informative) by geb on Sunday August 10 2014, @04:46PM

      by geb (529) on Sunday August 10 2014, @04:46PM (#79685)

      Antarctica isn't a country. It's solid land, but it has a legal status similar to that of international water.

      It retains that status because a large number of nations agreed through peaceful discussion to keep it so.

      • (Score: 2) by mhajicek on Sunday August 10 2014, @10:22PM

        by mhajicek (51) Subscriber Badge on Sunday August 10 2014, @10:22PM (#79798)

        And that agreement has held because there's nothing there worth fighting over.

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        • (Score: 2) by geb on Sunday August 10 2014, @10:26PM

          by geb (529) on Sunday August 10 2014, @10:26PM (#79803)

          There's an entire continent of untapped mineral resources. There is oil, metal ore, and coal. There's no transport infrastructure, so it's difficult to access, but it's not a worthless wasteland.

          • (Score: 2) by mhajicek on Monday August 11 2014, @12:17AM

            by mhajicek (51) Subscriber Badge on Monday August 11 2014, @12:17AM (#79845)

            The cost to retrieve those resources would exceed their value, so right now they have negative value.

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            The spacelike surfaces of time foliations can have a cusp at the surface of discontinuity. - P. Hajicek
    • (Score: 3, Insightful) by c0lo on Sunday August 10 2014, @06:00PM

      by c0lo (156) on Sunday August 10 2014, @06:00PM (#79707) Journal

      The king who does not prepare for war will be killed by the king who does.
      The only permanent peace is death.

      I'll make sure to inform my Swiss friends that they reek of corpses since 160+ years ago [wikipedia.org]; they are so dead not even Hitler managed to resurrect them.

      A few things to think about when you're done marching around in your tie died tee shirts.

      Like I don't have anything better to do than to think on junk rate pretences of "morals and natural philosophy" (or, for the matter, marching).
      Mate, I'm too old (and grumpy), don't try to sell me shit.

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      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aoFiw2jMy-0
      • (Score: 3, Insightful) by mhajicek on Sunday August 10 2014, @10:24PM

        by mhajicek (51) Subscriber Badge on Sunday August 10 2014, @10:24PM (#79800)

        The reason the Swiss have enjoyed so much peace is that they've been so well prepared for war that no one wants to attack them.

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        The spacelike surfaces of time foliations can have a cusp at the surface of discontinuity. - P. Hajicek
        • (Score: 2) by c0lo on Monday August 11 2014, @03:47AM

          by c0lo (156) on Monday August 11 2014, @03:47AM (#79895) Journal

          The reason the Swiss have enjoyed so much peace is that they've been so well prepared for war that no one wants to attack them.

          LoL. You joking, right? You must be joking.

          (fact: in 26 November 1989 ,they considered abolishing the armed forces altogether. Almost got there [wikipedia.org]).

          Usual definitions:
          * brigade [wikipedia.org] - 3-6 batalions, min 3 brigades/division.
          * division [wikipedia.org] - between 10,000 and 30,000 people.

          Swiss army [wikipedia.org]:
          * 8 land brigades (including army reserves)- equiv. max 3 divisions, equiv max 100,000 persons.
          * air - approx 230 fixed and rotary-wing aircraft
          * no real navy [wikipedia.org]
          (yes, I know, army reserves and conscription and all that: what good are soldiers if you don't have enough resources [nationsencyclopedia.com] to build them internally when under attack)

          No, mate. They can and could afford long-lasting peace because they are living in a geography with low strategic value and very high cost to conquer.
          The fact they act as "the Gringotts of the muggle world" also helps (and their geography is suitable for their Gringotts role).

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          • (Score: 2) by c0lo on Monday August 11 2014, @03:54AM

            by c0lo (156) on Monday August 11 2014, @03:54AM (#79898) Journal
            Errata: what good are soldiers if you don't have enough resources to build enough arms for them when under attack
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            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aoFiw2jMy-0
            • (Score: 2) by bugamn on Tuesday August 12 2014, @03:32AM

              by bugamn (1017) on Tuesday August 12 2014, @03:32AM (#80321)

              No army of clockwork soldiers then? For a moment I thought the Swiss had some new assets.

        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday August 11 2014, @04:05PM

          by Anonymous Coward on Monday August 11 2014, @04:05PM (#80105)

          I think a bigger factor is that the leaders of all potential attackers have their money there.

      • (Score: 2, Informative) by CRCulver on Sunday August 10 2014, @10:26PM

        by CRCulver (4390) on Sunday August 10 2014, @10:26PM (#79805) Homepage

        I'll make sure to inform my Swiss friends that they reek of corpses since 160+ years ago; they are so dead not even Hitler managed to resurrect them.

        While neutral, Switzerland does prepare for war. The country has compulsory national service for males, and after their service many of them are placed on reserve status and maintain a weapon at home.

  • (Score: 2, Insightful) by Jiro on Sunday August 10 2014, @03:44PM

    by Jiro (3176) on Sunday August 10 2014, @03:44PM (#79670)

    Coming up with a single number to "rank" countries in terms of peacefulness is about as sensible as coming up with a single number to rank how good television shows are. You can add together numbers that measure other things, such as number of viewers, you can weigh them based on your idea that a TV show that airs at 1 AM and has not been cancelled is better than a show which airs at 8 PM but has the same number of viewers, you can say you subtract two points for every Kardashian that appears on the show, but ultimately, you're just making it up and you can get any result you want depending on how you measure it. Perhaps the best analogy is managers in employment, who love totally useless measures of employee productivity and such because they're numbers that can be compared, and by golly, everyone knows which number is larger than another number.

    On top of that, many of the factors that go into the ranking are just misleading. How much of the US's ranking is affected by high crime rates among inner-city minorities or Mexican immigrants, when higher-ranking countries just don't have those?

    • (Score: -1, Troll) by Ethanol-fueled on Sunday August 10 2014, @05:30PM

      by Ethanol-fueled (2792) on Sunday August 10 2014, @05:30PM (#79692) Homepage

      Racism! Mods! Mods! Delete this post and ban the user for life!

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday August 10 2014, @06:03PM

        by Anonymous Coward on Sunday August 10 2014, @06:03PM (#79708)
        Awwww... you can do better. Here, have another shot.
      • (Score: 2) by Tork on Sunday August 10 2014, @07:30PM

        by Tork (3914) on Sunday August 10 2014, @07:30PM (#79736)
        So... do you think it's inconsistent behaviour or about you personally?
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      • (Score: 2, Funny) by EETech1 on Sunday August 10 2014, @10:20PM

        by EETech1 (957) on Sunday August 10 2014, @10:20PM (#79796)

        Everyone loves you.

        Until they inevitably turn on you.

        For not being one of them.

    • (Score: 5, Insightful) by Thexalon on Sunday August 10 2014, @05:32PM

      by Thexalon (636) Subscriber Badge on Sunday August 10 2014, @05:32PM (#79695)

      How much of the US's ranking is affected by high crime rates among inner-city minorities or Mexican immigrants, when higher-ranking countries just don't have those?

      Some major reasons the United States ranks much lower than Europe:
      1. The highest, by far, military expenditure in the world. This has nothing to do with high crime rates among inner-city minorities or Mexican immigrants.
      2. Involvement in lots of wars in the last decade (Afghanistan, Iraq and Libya), and covert actions in Yemen, Pakistan, Syria, Ukraine, and just about everywhere else. Also nothing to do with inner-city minorities or Mexican immigrants.
      3. The largest prison population in the world. This one is mostly about the War on Drugs, because the vast majority of prisoners in the US are there for non-violent drug offenses, typically pot possession.
      4. A murder rate that is 5 times that of Europe. This one is only partially caused by the specific populations you refer to: almost half of murders are committed by white people, and lots of murders and other violent crimes happen in rural areas.

      So yes, it matters that there are still serious problems of violent crime among non-white people in the inner cities, but if you completely solved that problem you'd still be seeing the US ranking something like 105th overall.

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      • (Score: 1, Insightful) by Jiro on Sunday August 10 2014, @07:25PM

        by Jiro (3176) on Sunday August 10 2014, @07:25PM (#79734)

        I didn't say that all the figures are caused by minorities, I used that as an example of what was wrong. The *main* problem is simply that the whole thing is completely arbitrary. You want the uS to score low? Then just pick the things you don't like about the US that can be connected to peace and weigh them highly.

        • (Score: 4, Insightful) by Thexalon on Sunday August 10 2014, @08:28PM

          by Thexalon (636) Subscriber Badge on Sunday August 10 2014, @08:28PM (#79760)

          Then just pick the things you don't like about the US that can be connected to peace and weigh them highly.

          I'm really curious what standards of peace you would use that would cause the US to be ranked highly as a promoter of peace.

          You can argue that the wars waged by the US were fully justified, or that they prevented a greater war from happening. But to claim that a nation that is fighting a bunch of wars right now is more peaceful than Switzerland (who last fought a war in 1847) is simply silly.

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          The only thing that stops a bad guy with a compiler is a good guy with a compiler.
    • (Score: 4, Informative) by maxwell demon on Sunday August 10 2014, @05:34PM

      by maxwell demon (1608) Subscriber Badge on Sunday August 10 2014, @05:34PM (#79698) Journal

      If you look at the first link, you have quite a few individual numbers to select (in total 22, if I counted correctly). Just click on "Specify indicator".

      Particularly in the jailed population the U.S. are second worst, with only North Korea being worse. On the other hand, surprisingly the U.S. are ranking first place for violent crime (that is, less violent crime than any other country in the world).

      Note that the site offers also an U.S. peace index. The least peaceful U.S. state is Lousiana, the most peaceful state is Maine.

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      The Tao of math: The numbers you can count are not the real numbers.
  • (Score: 2) by PizzaRollPlinkett on Sunday August 10 2014, @03:47PM

    by PizzaRollPlinkett (4512) on Sunday August 10 2014, @03:47PM (#79671)

    Reminds me of a story (probably apocryphal) of a disillusioned man who fled Europe just after World War I. Looking for somewhere to go that was peaceful and isolated, he settled on the island of Guam.

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  • (Score: -1, Offtopic) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday August 10 2014, @04:02PM

    by Anonymous Coward on Sunday August 10 2014, @04:02PM (#79676)

    Narrator: By his own approximation, Bob assassinated Jesse James over 800 times.

    He suspected no one in history had ever so often or so publicly recapitulated an act of betrayal.

  • (Score: -1, Offtopic) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday August 10 2014, @04:09PM

    by Anonymous Coward on Sunday August 10 2014, @04:09PM (#79678)

    Jesse James was a lad that killed many a man,
            He robbed the Glendale train,
            He stole from the rich and he gave to the poor,
            He'd a hand and a heart and a brain.

            Well it was Robert Ford, that dirty little coward,
            I wonder how he feels,
            For he ate of Jesse's bread and he slept in Jesse's bed,
            And he laid poor Jesse in his grave.

            (chorus)
            Well Jesse had a wife to mourn for his life,
            Three children, [now] they were brave,
            Well that dirty little coward that shot Mr. [Mister] Howard,
            He laid poor Jesse [Has laid Jesse James] in his grave.

            Jesse was a man, a friend to the poor,
            He'd never rob a mother or a child,
            There never was a man with the law in his hand,
            That could take Jesse James alive.

            Jesse was a man, a friend to the poor,
            He'd never see a man suffer pain,
            And with his brother Frank he robbed the Chicago bank,
            And stopped the Glendale train.

            It was on a Saturday night and the moon was shining bright,
            They robbed the Glendale train,
            And people they did say o'er many miles away
            It was those outlaws, they're Frank and Jesse James

            (chorus)
            Now the people held their breath when they heard of Jesse's death,
            And wondered how he ever came to fall
            Robert Ford, it was a fact, he shot Jesse in the back
            While Jesse hung a picture on the wall

            Now Jesse went to rest with his hand on his breast,
            The devil will be upon his knee.
            He was born one day in the County Clay,
            And he came from a solitary race.
            (chorus)

  • (Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday August 10 2014, @04:31PM

    by Anonymous Coward on Sunday August 10 2014, @04:31PM (#79681)

    Study claims that Ukraine is more peaceful than Russia.

  • (Score: 1) by DECbot on Sunday August 10 2014, @04:53PM

    by DECbot (832) on Sunday August 10 2014, @04:53PM (#79686) Journal

    The U.S. isn't on either of those lists! Outrage!

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    • (Score: 3, Informative) by maxwell demon on Sunday August 10 2014, @05:17PM

      by maxwell demon (1608) Subscriber Badge on Sunday August 10 2014, @05:17PM (#79689) Journal

      In the complete list, the USA are on place 101.

      --
      The Tao of math: The numbers you can count are not the real numbers.
    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday August 10 2014, @05:51PM

      by Anonymous Coward on Sunday August 10 2014, @05:51PM (#79705)

      Ya, but the US created the entire top 10 list of least peaceful countries.

  • (Score: 0, Flamebait) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday August 10 2014, @05:36PM

    by Anonymous Coward on Sunday August 10 2014, @05:36PM (#79699)

    Where's Vatican City and similar on the rankings?
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crime_in_Vatican_City [wikipedia.org]

    p.s. AFAIK the child abuse cases were mostly out of Vatican City.

  • (Score: 1, Troll) by Kunasou on Sunday August 10 2014, @07:34PM

    by Kunasou (4148) on Sunday August 10 2014, @07:34PM (#79738)

    10. North Korea.
    This guys don't do anything, just throw the trash (old missiles) to the ocean every few months. No one cares except their own people.
    There are other countries who should be higher in the rank.

    • (Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday August 10 2014, @08:01PM

      by Anonymous Coward on Sunday August 10 2014, @08:01PM (#79749)

      Threatening war and destruction is not something peaceful nations do.

      So, yeah, they are on the correct list.

      • (Score: 4, Funny) by kaszz on Sunday August 10 2014, @08:16PM

        by kaszz (4211) on Sunday August 10 2014, @08:16PM (#79755) Journal

        Democratic nations tend to not incite wars.

        • (Score: 2, Funny) by tftp on Sunday August 10 2014, @10:38PM

          by tftp (806) on Sunday August 10 2014, @10:38PM (#79812) Homepage

          Democratic nations tend to not incite wars.

          Indeed, it was President Milosevic(a dictator, of course) who attacked the democratic USA. It was certainly the dictator Saddam Hussein who attacked the democratic USA after 9/11. It was also the theocratic Afghanistan that sent an army across the oceans to fight the USA. It was Muamar Gaddafi who attacked France and killed Nicolas Sarkozy.

          • (Score: 2) by kaszz on Sunday August 10 2014, @10:51PM

            by kaszz (4211) on Sunday August 10 2014, @10:51PM (#79821) Journal

            It's more of a probability than an absolute. Anyway US is corpocraty or oligarchy depending on how you view it. Even threating to arrest OSCE election monitors [examiner.com].

            • (Score: 1) by tftp on Monday August 11 2014, @10:24PM

              by tftp (806) on Monday August 11 2014, @10:24PM (#80257) Homepage

              One cannot call the USA an oligarchy and at the same time allow it to declare itself a democratic republic. It'd be like both having a pie and eating it. This is what causes so much anti-american feelings. On TV you see US officials proclaiming democracy, and at the same time in back rooms the same officials are ordering extrajudicial killings and mass murders and infinite imprisonment of foreign captives from a country that the US invaded - the stuff that not every bloody dictator would consider proper.

          • (Score: 2) by bradley13 on Monday August 11 2014, @07:47AM

            by bradley13 (3053) Subscriber Badge on Monday August 11 2014, @07:47AM (#79957) Homepage Journal

            Not sure why the parent post is marked as flamebait - it was the inevitable reply. The US has a record of intervening in foreign military conflicts, and occasionally attacking sovereign nations. Why is it flamebait to notice this?

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  • (Score: 3, Interesting) by Rivenaleem on Monday August 11 2014, @04:24PM

    by Rivenaleem (3400) on Monday August 11 2014, @04:24PM (#80110)

    I think it's source of great pride that Ireland is 13th on the list, considering how we've put the trouble in the north behind us and committed to a lasting peace there.