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Sanders campaign wracked by dissension
Elizabeth Warren just won an endorsement that’s making Bernie Sanders’s world really mad
According to polls, Warren needs a little more to fully absorb Sanders.
Warren Sapping Bernie's Life Energy
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-- Andy Warhol
(Score: 2) by DeathMonkey on Tuesday September 17 2019, @09:24PM (28 children)
Warren + Sanders > Biden
Make of that what you will...
(Score: 2) by Snow on Tuesday September 17 2019, @09:36PM (10 children)
I'd like to see a president that isn't older than dirt.
Warren, Sanders, Biden. All old.
(Score: 2) by takyon on Tuesday September 17 2019, @09:43PM (1 child)
Warren is 1.5 presidential elections younger than Biden, and 2 younger than Sanders.
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(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday September 17 2019, @09:47PM
They're all past or very close to the sell-by date though.
(Score: 2) by Gaaark on Wednesday September 18 2019, @12:48AM (1 child)
At least you won't probably see any blue dresses with stains on them from that bunch!
Well, unless its on a little girl and Bidens around.....
--- Please remind me if I haven't been civil to you: I'm channeling MDC. ---Gaaark 2.0 ---
(Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Wednesday September 18 2019, @07:23AM
Not without some pills that are also blue being involved.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 3, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday September 18 2019, @04:02AM (5 children)
I'd like to see a president who has good policy positions and a solid voting record, regardless of their age.
Because, you know, that's what actually matters.
(Score: 2, Disagree) by The Mighty Buzzard on Wednesday September 18 2019, @07:25AM (4 children)
I'd like to see a President who takes office and immediately goes on a four year fishing trip. Imagine Congress having to actually sit down and hash things out like grownups if they want anything passed at all.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday September 18 2019, @09:16AM (3 children)
The "residentially challenged" community would love that.
(Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Wednesday September 18 2019, @10:14AM (2 children)
Anyone who doesn't love that would best serve their country by staying home on election day.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday September 18 2019, @11:30AM (1 child)
The residentially challenged dont have a home to stay at. Thats like when the government sends socks to someone whose legs they got blown off.
(Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Wednesday September 18 2019, @12:07PM
Why are you even talking about this? Homeless or living in a mansion is utterly irrelevant to whether the nation would best be served by a President who refused to sign a damned thing and forced Congress to get a supermajority large enough to override a veto.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 2) by takyon on Tuesday September 17 2019, @09:41PM (15 children)
It might mean a lot of voting fun at the Convention. If Warren and Sanders bag a lot of delegates, they could prevent Biden from winning the nomination.
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(Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday September 18 2019, @12:15AM (14 children)
2020 to 2028 is almost a repeat of 1984 to 1992.
You get one chance if you win the primary. You won't be nominated twice. No serious democrat wants to waste that chance against an incumbent with a booming economy. None are that dumb. They are all waiting for 2024 or 2028. Meanwhile you get the fraudulent Indian, the elderly hair sniffer, and the filthy rich socialist who never worked a real job his entire life.
The democrats need some time to get things under control. Right now they have a raging case of unelectable leftism. With each loss, the moderates gain power. By 2024 communism will be out of fashion, making an election possible, but a loss is still the most likely outcome. (inertia serves whoever Trump endorses, just as it served Bush Sr. in 1988) Stinging from that loss, the democrats will put forth a 2028 candidate who isn't even socialist. This will be all they need to do to stop the uninspiring post-Trump republican from being reelected.
2028 will be somebody like Joe Manchin beating Ron DeSantis, Mike Pence, or Ted Cruz.
Meanwhile, brace yourself for the wailing when Trump picks up a few states relative to 2016.
(Score: 1, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday September 18 2019, @04:24AM (10 children)
The economy isn't booming. The fact that the stock market is up mostly helps the mega-rich. Same for the GDP. The corporate media (Fox News, CNN, MSNBC, etc.) uses these metrics to determine the health of the economy because they only care about the rich, since they're part of that circle.
Most new jobs pay very little, and are often part-time; almost half the country can't afford a $400 emergency, and far fewer than that can afford a $1,000 emergency; many people are struggling to pay their car payments; jobs continue to be outsourced, including ones that Trump bragged about saving; and half the country makes $30,000 a year or less. The economy isn't booming for the average person, and the only people who think it is have fallen for corporate media propaganda. And yes, many of these things were problems under Obama, who was a corporatist, though not as much as Trump is.
If the Democrats don't run Sanders, they are doomed. Trump's fake populism is much more likely to be defeated if you run a real populist like Bernie Sanders. Warren is more corporatist than Bernie, voted for military budget increases, is more cozy with the establishment, and occasionally repeats establishment talking points. She's okay, but she's no Bernie.
(Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Wednesday September 18 2019, @07:28AM (3 children)
Son, if you think Bernie is speaking from where The People come from, you have never met The People.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: -1, Flamebait) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday September 18 2019, @04:25PM
It is ok to be a dumbass but please don't embarass yourself in front of everybody.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday September 20 2019, @08:52AM (1 child)
And yet many of his policies are very popular. Medicare For All, ending the wars, legalizing marijuana, ending private prisons, ending awful trade deals, and so on.
(Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Friday September 20 2019, @07:28PM
You need to get out of your echo chamber if you believe that.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday September 18 2019, @09:39AM (4 children)
People used to have full-time jobs before Obama. Remember that? Most people didn't need to do 2 or 3 jobs with 2 or 3 times as much commuting.
Today, if you work enough hours, your employer must provide health coverage. LOL. No employer is dumb enough to pay $14,800 extra (average employer cost of health coverage in 2019) for an employee that would only make $15,000 per year anyway. That would be paying double.
So the problem of part-time jobs was wholly caused by Obama. Employers prefer the simplicity of full-time workers, but they aren't about to pay double.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday September 18 2019, @11:40AM
All the more reason for single-payer healthcare.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday September 18 2019, @02:34PM (2 children)
Not so much.
https://www.statista.com/statistics/192356/number-of-full-time-employees-in-the-usa-since-1990/ [statista.com]
Facts are so inconvenient, aren't they?
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday September 18 2019, @08:35PM
The US population is not the same as it was in 1990.
(Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday September 18 2019, @09:03PM
A graph showing the number of part-time employees would have nearly the same ups and downs.
A better graph would show a ratio of the two.
BTW, that is a sleazy graph, with the Y axis not starting from zero.
(Score: 2) by DeathMonkey on Wednesday September 18 2019, @03:16PM
The stock market isn't even up anymore. Take a look at any index you like, they've all been flat for a couple years now.
(Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Wednesday September 18 2019, @02:13PM
We should copy Israel, and build our own wailing wall!
https://e3.365dm.com/18/10/1096x616/skynews-kirstjen-nielsen-migrants_4466294.jpg?20181027081535 [365dm.com]
Abortion is the number one killed of children in the United States.
(Score: 3, Funny) by DeathMonkey on Wednesday September 18 2019, @03:19PM (1 child)
SHHHHH!!!
Nobody remind this guy of the shellacking that just happened in the last election. Y'know, those fourty flipped House seats that don't exist in the rightwing bubble.
This Fox "News" induced complacency is our friend.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday September 18 2019, @09:09PM
It is expected to lose lots of House seats during the midterms. Trump lost far fewer than normal. Very few presidents have done better.
Amusingly, "shellacking" is Obama's term for what happened in 2010.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday September 18 2019, @02:37AM
Trump >> Warren - Sanders > Biden + Warren
(Score: 1) by fustakrakich on Wednesday September 18 2019, @12:32AM (1 child)
And very secretive it appears:
Looks like they have a DNC problem.
Wait, she's successful because people "attack" her? And the banks? What has she done to the banks? All the same fraudulent banks that caused the recession are running just as smoothly as ever. CFPB? Toothless! You gotta elect a congress to back it up, otherwise all her talk is just hot air, which is usually the intent with their "Rotating Villain" game.
Time to vote all these people out. Or you will trudge through this same old bullshit for an indefinite time.
La politica e i criminali sono la stessa cosa..
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday September 18 2019, @01:25AM
Found this: An exchange of letters on the Working Families Party [wsws.org]. wikipedia says [wikipedia.org]:
According to Vox link:
Usual disclaimers about the parliamentary road to socialism. Void where prohibited. Plus if Warren, we will be getting a capitalist who isn't ashamed to call herself a capitalist. Is Pocahontas a bad enough dude to save capitalism from the jaws of fascism? Or will Darth Biden media choke her, then choke bigly in the general?
(Score: 2) by rylyeh on Wednesday September 18 2019, @04:50AM (12 children)
My parents are the Baby Boomers.
Please let the 'Howdy Doody' generation stop voting!
Warren is not 70+ 'for gosh sake!'
"a vast crenulate shell wherein rode the grey and awful form of primal Nodens, Lord of the Great Abyss."
(Score: 3, Touché) by takyon on Wednesday September 18 2019, @05:09AM (11 children)
She turned 70 recently, so she is in fact "70+":
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elizabeth_Warren [wikipedia.org]
But there is a large health difference between a 70-year-old and a 78-year-old, and women tend to live 2 years longer than men anyway. She basically has a decade on Bernie.
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(Score: 2) by rylyeh on Wednesday September 18 2019, @05:20AM (6 children)
Well - Garn!
When will it end?
Buffalo bob and Claribel clown are still in control!
But Warren is um, the future?
{hoping... hands tightly pressed together}
"a vast crenulate shell wherein rode the grey and awful form of primal Nodens, Lord of the Great Abyss."
(Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Wednesday September 18 2019, @02:19PM (5 children)
You realize that you can write in your own candidate, right? If you, and about 180,000,000 others write in O'Crazio Cortez, you'll really put a whammy on all those old bastards!!
Abortion is the number one killed of children in the United States.
(Score: -1, Flamebait) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday September 19 2019, @01:21AM (1 child)
Every time you call her names you out yourself as a partisan idiot. And in this small community that translates to the more colloquial "village idiot."
(Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Thursday September 19 2019, @02:03PM
Partisan? WTF is partisan about calling a nutcase a nutcase? That "New Green Deal" thing? You realize that there is not enough money in existence on this earth to pay for all of that? The wealth needed _does_not_exist_. Meaning, we can't even steal it from Saudi Arabia, China, the United Kingdom, the EU, and all of South America. The only way possible we could pay for it, is to be tight with that Nigerian guy who keeps trying to give away money through email contacts, then it would be touch and go.
Abortion is the number one killed of children in the United States.
(Score: 2) by cmdrklarg on Thursday September 19 2019, @06:27PM (2 children)
She is only 29; not old enough.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_presidential_eligibility_legislation#Presidential_eligibility [wikipedia.org]
Answer now is don't give in; aim for a new tomorrow.
(Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Thursday September 19 2019, @11:15PM (1 child)
Yes Sir, she is ineligible to run in this and the next election. I did not say that she would win, I only indicated that if more than half the population of the country would write her in, it would put a whammy in the process. :^)
That's part of the same reason I vote third parties. Last time around, I almost believed that one of them might get that magical percentage point so they could get matching funds from the government.
That is also a reason to like Trump. He's not a political insider, and he has screwed up a whole lot of people's ideas and perceptions. TDS is a fun phenomena, isn't it?
Abortion is the number one killed of children in the United States.
(Score: 2) by cmdrklarg on Monday September 23 2019, @09:13PM
Definitely, on both sides of the aisle. No worse than ODS though.
Answer now is don't give in; aim for a new tomorrow.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday September 19 2019, @01:19AM (3 children)
Ah, so you are actually a corporate shill! At least that is my suspicion. You've been a very weird case to figure out, but now I get it.
Warren is the 2nd version of Hillary. A corporate plant that is probably 90% genuine and 95% being used. They don't want Sanders, the voice of common sense for the average Joe. Biden failed HARD which almost seems like he was put out there on purpose to give Warren someone to contrast against to make her seem more progressive.
The country is at a breaking point, we can't take another Obama-style false hope.
Sanders-Warren 2020, she'll make the VP actually mean something.
(Score: 2) by takyon on Thursday September 19 2019, @01:38AM (2 children)
I just pointed out the facts. Not everyone gets to live as long as RBG. Sanders is running against the clock.
And if you make enough comments supporting Bernie, eventually you'll get the WSWSWSWSSWWWSW reply showing that he is actually a dirty capitalist.
https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2019/06/18/sand-j18.html [wsws.org]
https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2019/05/06/pers-m06.html [wsws.org]
For being a Bernie Bro, I can only conclude that you are the corporate shill and a supporter of American imperialism. Controlled opposition!
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(Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday September 19 2019, @07:33PM (1 child)
Swing and a miss!
Keep being terrible my man.
(Score: 2) by takyon on Thursday September 19 2019, @07:57PM
Hah. Bernie Sanders will not become POTUS. Sorry, bro.
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