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Journal by fustakrakich
Yeap... From a practical standpoint, why not? Can't do any harm. Just keep Bill busy out in the rose garden or something.
There should be no doubt that would clinch the race
The key is Oprah. She's no dummy. Putting her out there as VP will repair almost 30 years of damage. Queen Bee diplomat with a great deal on scud missiles (still gotta pay tribute). America will be loved again. She is the chosen one.
I'm not really joking, eh? You people want a solution, this is it. Show me anything better. I dare ya!
Edit:
Lots of no votes against her here, and not a single solitary valid point. Oprah Derangement Syndrome is worse than that other one. Why do people cling so hard to broken bullshit? Are they that comfortable with it?
Hillary and Oprah... Could I vote that ticket?
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(Score: 4, Touché) by Arik on Tuesday October 01 2019, @04:34AM (25 children)
Show me anything worse?
If laughter is the best medicine, who are the best doctors?
(Score: 2, Interesting) by fustakrakich on Tuesday October 01 2019, @05:14AM (24 children)
Everything else (in mass media) is worse. What, do I have to link all the wire services for you?
The democrats have nobody.
Biden is a crook, knew that for a long time. Why is he even being considered? Don't answer, rhetorical question.
Warren flinched on the Biden question. Obviously not a wartime prez. She'll push the button, and say, No wait, I'll have to look into that.
Harris is nuts, with that stupid comment she made. Though I generally like her style, but her loyalty to the party shows it's just style.
Sanders is a sheepdog, not a real candidate
Buttigieg is a banker's boy, like that guy Macron over there in France, but he's smooth, I'll give ya that.
Who else is left? Oh yeah, the book lady. Ok, I like her too. Still has to hook up with Oprah.
Now, you tell me what makes her so bad... How will she make anything worse?
La politica e i criminali sono la stessa cosa..
(Score: 4, Insightful) by Arik on Tuesday October 01 2019, @06:12AM (12 children)
But you didn't mention Gabbard. At the moment I'm thinking I'll write her in if I have to.
Heed the warning of the 2016 elections - anyone and anything will win against HRC. Even the orange monster wins against a ticket with her on it.
Oprah? Another out of touch old millionaire. I realize she has a significant following, plenty of money and media connections, but HRC has all of that too, and they mostly overlap.
If you don't want 4 more years of Trump then you need someone with some crossover appeal. Not just a couple of people that will mobilize the same set of hardcore supporters that vote D every time no matter what. There's only so many votes to be had there, yes you can excite them so their turnout percentage is higher *but you're doing the same thing to Trump's base when you do that* so it's not really much of a gain.
So, think about this, traditionally Democratic groups that went for Trump last time in significant numbers; well blue collar has to be the top of the list. Sanders used to be able to talk to that group, but at this point I'm not sure if he can even remember that. There is not a single Democratic hopeful that really speaks to them as far as I can see. Trump isn't even very good at it but he's the only one that even makes the attempt. I'm optimistic Gabbard could get some traction there, but that might be wishful thinking, I haven't really seen it from her. I can't see any of the rest even trying to contest this anymore.
Antiwar? That's my primary affiliation, and it's traditionally a left wing stance, but lo and behold, Trump managed to be by far the most antiwar candidate last time; without being genuinely antiwar at all. That's how complete the grip of the war party is over both parties. And not just the parties; the NGOs, the mainstream media, even supposedly religious groups are all united in the conviction that we have a holy duty to maim and murder and bully on the world's stage. The antiwar vote was concentrated on the left for decades, but after successive fingers from Clinton and Obama that vote went for Trump hard in 2016 and if we nominate HRC again it will go hard for him again.
And rightfully so. We're talking about a woman who cackles with glee at the thought of bringing death, destruction, and torture to entire countries.
If laughter is the best medicine, who are the best doctors?
(Score: 1) by fustakrakich on Tuesday October 01 2019, @06:45AM (6 children)
The DNC simply won't let Sanders in. His singular function is shepherding money. Sorry. You should know these people by now. All this same old shit goes so far back. And it's exactly the same shit now. Fuck it. I want Oprah. At least make the shit look good! And really, you underestimate her. You still haven't given a single thing that legitimately disqualifies her. Put her portfolio up against anybody's. Find some dirt, and I'll cross her off.
La politica e i criminali sono la stessa cosa..
(Score: 3, Informative) by Arik on Tuesday October 01 2019, @07:05AM
And the DNC needs to be smashed if the Democratic party is to be saved.
I mean it. Smashed. Debbie Wasserman-Schultz should be ashamed to show her face in public for another decade, at least. Instead she's paid to show up on MSM and speak as an expert!
"You should know these people by now."
I do. I also know that the base can overthrow their cart. And it needs to be done.
"I want Oprah."
Ok.
"At least make the shit look good!"
?
"And really, you underestimate her. You still haven't given a single thing that legitimately disqualifies her."
Well, no, I gave you a single thing that disqualifies your dream ticket of HRC /and/ Oprah though. HRC.
Oprah in another context? I don't know. I suspect she's another out of touch multi-millionaire (maybe billionaire?) with lots of media connections. That doesn't sound so good. But hey, if she wants to throw her hat in the ring and make her own statements I'd read them, I'd definitely give her a chance.
On a ticket with HRC? You can put anyone you want in the VP slot, it's still a no. No more Clinton.
If laughter is the best medicine, who are the best doctors?
(Score: 2) by insanumingenium on Tuesday October 01 2019, @03:39PM (4 children)
Then run Oprah as your candidate and get your cross aisle love from a VP choice. If you insist on her, why make her run as a second fiddle?
The lesson of 2016 is unambiguous to me, Hillary isn't electable for a sizable portion of the electorate, that she is even running is incredibly embarrassing, because she must know this as well as we do and her candidacy will only bleed votes to Mr. 45.
That said, Oprah wouldn't be my first choice, but you aren't wrong, the field is looking awful thin...
(Score: 3, Funny) by DeathMonkey on Tuesday October 01 2019, @06:02PM (3 children)
Neither one of them are running. This is just a lame attempt at concern trolling.
(Score: 1) by fustakrakich on Tuesday October 01 2019, @06:12PM
:-) Yet...
Patience, my dear democrat. The day is young
And your silly cliches are quite unbecoming. Or is this "talk like a teenager" day?
La politica e i criminali sono la stessa cosa..
(Score: 2) by insanumingenium on Tuesday October 01 2019, @06:33PM (1 child)
You are right, I had thought I had seen she was running again, but it looks like that was just the rumor mill.
(Score: 2, Interesting) by fustakrakich on Tuesday October 01 2019, @06:45PM
Don't believe the denials. Just wait a while. Remember, Nixon said he wasn't a crook. The republicans are helping to "rehabilitate" her image. Tag team in action. Gotta keep the Greens and everybody else out of the discussion.
La politica e i criminali sono la stessa cosa..
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday October 01 2019, @09:42PM (4 children)
The local Campus for Bernie effort kicked off last week. I get that the organizers have been told by the marketeers that they should push buttons that college students are said to be sensitive to, but I felt getting exhorted to "make Bernie the first Jewish president" and any kind of play on identity politics to be offensive to my beliefs against racism, sexism and divisiveness.
But I know Bernie's record and will ignore this preaching to the choir. He made a bad mistake in not reaching for the stars in 2016, and I hope I donate to the correct effort such that none of my contribution went to HRC's campaign. For me, it's Bernie, or Trump if Bernie gives up. Unless someone else with strong credentials comes up, the show is still several months out.
(Score: 2) by Arik on Wednesday October 02 2019, @05:00AM (3 children)
The same here. I'll confess the idea of a Jew finally making President has a certain appeal. But no one should vote for him *because he's Jewish* ffs, this is America, we don't care about your background we care about your program.
"For me, it's Bernie, or Trump if Bernie gives up."
What's wrong with Gabbard?
If laughter is the best medicine, who are the best doctors?
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday October 02 2019, @06:33AM (2 children)
I'll have to be convinced about Gabbard. I don't know much about her, and it's still a long time away.
(Score: 2) by Arik on Wednesday October 02 2019, @06:51AM
Hard to imagine a more hostile interviewer. She handles it with grace and style. And keeps trying to take it back to her message.
It's the best message out there by far.
If laughter is the best medicine, who are the best doctors?
(Score: 2) by Arik on Thursday October 03 2019, @06:37AM
If laughter is the best medicine, who are the best doctors?
(Score: 1) by Arik on Tuesday October 01 2019, @06:39AM (9 children)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0o0_GW0593o
If laughter is the best medicine, who are the best doctors?
(Score: 1) by fustakrakich on Tuesday October 01 2019, @06:56AM (8 children)
It's about "spine". Their loyalty is to the Party. Soviets with fashion sense [youtube.com]. It's all old shit to me. It's just time to vote them out. If not, we trudge onward, but we should do better.
La politica e i criminali sono la stessa cosa..
(Score: 1) by fustakrakich on Tuesday October 01 2019, @07:00AM (7 children)
FOCK!
It's not about spine!
Stupid computer! I paid a lot of money for the damn thing. Why can't it print what I'm thinking and not what I'm typing??
La politica e i criminali sono la stessa cosa..
(Score: 2) by Arik on Tuesday October 01 2019, @07:07AM (5 children)
The General Election is not a primary.
The 21st century Democrats don't seem to understand that.
If laughter is the best medicine, who are the best doctors?
(Score: 1) by fustakrakich on Tuesday October 01 2019, @07:17AM (4 children)
The party doesn't elect them though.
We really don't know that.They sure did in '68. And I definitely suspect fraud in 16.
But to save time, the way to smash the DNC is to stop voting for them. For for the entire country that seems difficult, but for each individual, it is most trivial. Everybody makes their own personal choice to turn their backs, and the DNC, and the GOP will disappear *poof!*
La politica e i criminali sono la stessa cosa..
(Score: 2) by Arik on Tuesday October 01 2019, @07:30AM (3 children)
AUM.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sI4qC4wQMnw
If laughter is the best medicine, who are the best doctors?
(Score: 1) by fustakrakich on Tuesday October 01 2019, @07:51AM (2 children)
Well, Eugene McCarty was a 19 to 1 favorite in the popular vote where the DNC did those things. Humphrey finished behind a dead Kennedy. Lots of excitement outside as a result. And we got Nixon. 2016 was a repeat, maybe not by a 19 to 1 margin, but that's because they count the votes more "carefully". And the republicans win again. It cannot be an accident.
The Party picks the nominee. Why would anyone believe their denials? It is a confidence game.
La politica e i criminali sono la stessa cosa..
(Score: 2) by Arik on Tuesday October 01 2019, @08:13AM (1 child)
A confidence game. You said it yourself.
Without confidence, the whole thing falls apart.
The Democrats didn't come out of that unscathed. We got Nixon.
Nixon was the last generations Trump, along with his {evil|good} twin Carter.
He didn't go to Yale or Harvard. Had a degree from *rolls eyes* Duke.
He often appeared to have something akin to aspergers, spitting out truths that no one in D.C. would be caught dead spitting. He had two terms though, and by conventional metrics he was successful. Then the Watergate incident brought him down quite swiftly. Most of America only became aware there was an issue when he announced his resignation.
He was not, contrary to popular belief, impeached. He saw that it was likely he would be, and he addressed the nation, taking over every TV channel and most radio simultaneously for a few minutes to explain what was happening, and then he resigned.
He knew it was a con game. He was conserving confidence.
Today? Most of them believe the con.
"There is nothing more dangerous to a con man than to believe his own con." That is a classic bit of wisdom in regards to your normal garden variety con man.
But if it is a national con man, an important politician? It is not just dangerous to him alone.
If laughter is the best medicine, who are the best doctors?
(Score: 2, Interesting) by fustakrakich on Tuesday October 01 2019, @04:53PM
Yeah, he's a regular con. But what stands out is that he's a showman. And what a job, eh? He's Al Sharpton/Jesse Jackson for white people. No, he doesn't believe any of it. It's all for the camera, maybe a little guilty of burying himself in the part.
This is what the voters reward, so naturally all the candidates will use the same tactics to varying degree, a very sad reflection on the voters that nobody will acknowledge. Suckers play the shell game because they think they can win and "cheat" the con. So really, who is worse? You know the old cliche, they win because they "bring home the bacon". D.C. is full of con men, we have to vote in the best one, right?
La politica e i criminali sono la stessa cosa..
(Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Tuesday October 01 2019, @03:22PM
You bought an Intel?
Hail to the Nibbler in Chief.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday October 02 2019, @12:02PM
That did not take long to exhaust the D team. How about Kshama [wikipedia.org]/Oprah! Kshama/Oprah! Kshama/Oprah?
Othewise only method left is for the working class to form rank-and-file committees, and then after that the next step is All Power to the Soviets [workers councils]. In the mytho-macho bullshit, that's how 1776 went. So let us actually do it this time. It is only Common Sense.
(Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Tuesday October 01 2019, @03:18PM (12 children)
I can't imagine Oprah ever being palatable - unless, in the same way that Trump is palatable. Trump is only acceptable, in that he isn't nearly as bad as the offered alternative. Depending on who Oprah ran against, she could look good. But, Hillary? No freaking way. There are thousands of real shit birds out there that I would vote for over Hillary.
I can't imagine Oprah taking second seat to Hillary, and we all know Hillary won't take second seat. If she did, Oprah would be found dead of six gunshot wounds to the back of the head, and it would be ruled suicide, as usual.
Hail to the Nibbler in Chief.
(Score: 1) by fustakrakich on Tuesday October 01 2019, @04:33PM (2 children)
Somebody has to find real dirt on Oprah before I scratch off my list. Hillary is a known entity, unfortunately everyone else is simply a non-contender, they're nuts, hardly worth thinking about, along with her of course, but if she can get Oprah's foot in the door, I'll take it. Oprah will completely "rehabilitate" Hillary's image. The PR will play very well for both. It will be the fashion statement of the millennium. The color coordination will be fantastic.
All I need are her views on war and austerity. I hope she's against it. If not, oops, oh well, it's only four years.
La politica e i criminali sono la stessa cosa..
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday October 01 2019, @06:40PM (1 child)
Oprah loves pseudoscience. That's bad enough.
(Score: 1) by fustakrakich on Tuesday October 01 2019, @06:49PM
Pretty vague... Gotta "for instance"?
La politica e i criminali sono la stessa cosa..
(Score: 2, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday October 01 2019, @04:48PM (4 children)
Dude, are you seriously going to sit there pretending Trump is better than Clinton when we have him on record committing ACTUAL treason? I know, "faaaaake newwwwwwz they're so meeeaaaan to Trump!"
C'mon, man up and look reality in the face. He is performing an ACTUAL witch hunt on a whistleblower and calling to execute him. If your brain is truly so bleached you can't admit these facts... well I dunno, we don't really have a process for such "sane" insanity. The docs would just kick you out saying, "He is old and watches Fox, what do you expect?"
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday October 01 2019, @09:22PM
Here, breathe into this bag a bit.
(Score: 2, Insightful) by Azuma Hazuki on Wednesday October 02 2019, @01:55AM (2 children)
Yes he is. Look closely at some of his posts, especially when he gets upset: he goes full-on 14-Words (with the 88 implied despite his denials...) and will completely lose his shit if you back him up against a wall and confront him with his obvious willful blindness to the evils and idiocy he supports.
I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...
(Score: 2) by digitalaudiorock on Wednesday October 02 2019, @06:02PM (1 child)
...the same willful blindness that, according to a new pole, has only 4 in 10 Republicans thinking that Trump "probably" mentioned Biden in his phone call, despite the fact that the white house's own transcript says so. You just can't make shit like that up.
(Score: 1, Troll) by Azuma Hazuki on Thursday October 03 2019, @02:58AM
I'm actually surprised 40% of polled Republicans are still honest enough to say so.
I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...
(Score: 1, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday October 01 2019, @07:03PM (1 child)
Same AC here, Runaway I would like you to take some time and compile a list of political issues that are important to you. Please take your time and don't add emotional statements like "getting rid of demon democrats" or anything, then post a journal entry. Not looking for an essay, just a clear simple list.
I would truly like a list so we can compare and see where we agree. I have a suspicion there is more overlap within this community that gets beaten out by all the political disagreements.
I give you shit all the time so I am trying to reach out and see if we can have an honest analysis of our positions. I'll start with my two biggest pissues, universal healthcare and election reform.
(Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Tuesday October 01 2019, @11:46PM
A list of issues, in order of importance? I may just do that. But it doesn't take any serious thought to give you numero uno: War is bad. Any candidate who promises to involve the nation in yet more warfare, without any sort of an exit plan regarding the wars we are already involved in, is a horrible candidate. THAT was Hillary. Trump has not invaded any countries, has not started any more wars, and he doesn't even do much saber rattling.
Pretty much all other issues take a distant second, third, fourth, etc places behind that one idea. Eisenhower warned us about the military industrial complex, we didn't listen, and today, that MIC drives almost all politics in this country. Simply put, almost nothing else compares in importance.
Universal health care? Not bad - but how do we get there? Obamacare was absolutely NOT the way to do it. Obamacare proved to be a windfall for the insurance industry.
Election reform? Start with some serious term limits, and we might get somewhere. As long as we have career politicians in Washington running the country for their own benefit, election reform isn't going to happen.
Maybe one day I'll do an essay on the relative importance of issues in this country. I can tell you outright though, that the faux liberals running the D party today make no attempt to address any issues that I consider very important. For the most part, R's only make crappy attempts to address important issues.
Hail to the Nibbler in Chief.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday October 01 2019, @09:52PM (1 child)
Fine, the DNC will give you ... Dr. Chelsea Clinton!
(Score: 3, Touché) by Runaway1956 on Tuesday October 01 2019, @11:49PM
At this point, that is merely scary. Chelsea has not yet proven that she is, or even can be, as horrifying a bitch as her mother.
Hail to the Nibbler in Chief.