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Journal by fustakrakich
Yeap... From a practical standpoint, why not? Can't do any harm. Just keep Bill busy out in the rose garden or something.
There should be no doubt that would clinch the race
The key is Oprah. She's no dummy. Putting her out there as VP will repair almost 30 years of damage. Queen Bee diplomat with a great deal on scud missiles (still gotta pay tribute). America will be loved again. She is the chosen one.
I'm not really joking, eh? You people want a solution, this is it. Show me anything better. I dare ya!
Edit:
Lots of no votes against her here, and not a single solitary valid point. Oprah Derangement Syndrome is worse than that other one. Why do people cling so hard to broken bullshit? Are they that comfortable with it?
Hillary and Oprah... Could I vote that ticket?
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(Score: 4, Insightful) by Arik on Tuesday October 01 2019, @06:12AM (12 children)
But you didn't mention Gabbard. At the moment I'm thinking I'll write her in if I have to.
Heed the warning of the 2016 elections - anyone and anything will win against HRC. Even the orange monster wins against a ticket with her on it.
Oprah? Another out of touch old millionaire. I realize she has a significant following, plenty of money and media connections, but HRC has all of that too, and they mostly overlap.
If you don't want 4 more years of Trump then you need someone with some crossover appeal. Not just a couple of people that will mobilize the same set of hardcore supporters that vote D every time no matter what. There's only so many votes to be had there, yes you can excite them so their turnout percentage is higher *but you're doing the same thing to Trump's base when you do that* so it's not really much of a gain.
So, think about this, traditionally Democratic groups that went for Trump last time in significant numbers; well blue collar has to be the top of the list. Sanders used to be able to talk to that group, but at this point I'm not sure if he can even remember that. There is not a single Democratic hopeful that really speaks to them as far as I can see. Trump isn't even very good at it but he's the only one that even makes the attempt. I'm optimistic Gabbard could get some traction there, but that might be wishful thinking, I haven't really seen it from her. I can't see any of the rest even trying to contest this anymore.
Antiwar? That's my primary affiliation, and it's traditionally a left wing stance, but lo and behold, Trump managed to be by far the most antiwar candidate last time; without being genuinely antiwar at all. That's how complete the grip of the war party is over both parties. And not just the parties; the NGOs, the mainstream media, even supposedly religious groups are all united in the conviction that we have a holy duty to maim and murder and bully on the world's stage. The antiwar vote was concentrated on the left for decades, but after successive fingers from Clinton and Obama that vote went for Trump hard in 2016 and if we nominate HRC again it will go hard for him again.
And rightfully so. We're talking about a woman who cackles with glee at the thought of bringing death, destruction, and torture to entire countries.
If laughter is the best medicine, who are the best doctors?
(Score: 1) by fustakrakich on Tuesday October 01 2019, @06:45AM (6 children)
The DNC simply won't let Sanders in. His singular function is shepherding money. Sorry. You should know these people by now. All this same old shit goes so far back. And it's exactly the same shit now. Fuck it. I want Oprah. At least make the shit look good! And really, you underestimate her. You still haven't given a single thing that legitimately disqualifies her. Put her portfolio up against anybody's. Find some dirt, and I'll cross her off.
La politica e i criminali sono la stessa cosa..
(Score: 3, Informative) by Arik on Tuesday October 01 2019, @07:05AM
And the DNC needs to be smashed if the Democratic party is to be saved.
I mean it. Smashed. Debbie Wasserman-Schultz should be ashamed to show her face in public for another decade, at least. Instead she's paid to show up on MSM and speak as an expert!
"You should know these people by now."
I do. I also know that the base can overthrow their cart. And it needs to be done.
"I want Oprah."
Ok.
"At least make the shit look good!"
?
"And really, you underestimate her. You still haven't given a single thing that legitimately disqualifies her."
Well, no, I gave you a single thing that disqualifies your dream ticket of HRC /and/ Oprah though. HRC.
Oprah in another context? I don't know. I suspect she's another out of touch multi-millionaire (maybe billionaire?) with lots of media connections. That doesn't sound so good. But hey, if she wants to throw her hat in the ring and make her own statements I'd read them, I'd definitely give her a chance.
On a ticket with HRC? You can put anyone you want in the VP slot, it's still a no. No more Clinton.
If laughter is the best medicine, who are the best doctors?
(Score: 2) by insanumingenium on Tuesday October 01 2019, @03:39PM (4 children)
Then run Oprah as your candidate and get your cross aisle love from a VP choice. If you insist on her, why make her run as a second fiddle?
The lesson of 2016 is unambiguous to me, Hillary isn't electable for a sizable portion of the electorate, that she is even running is incredibly embarrassing, because she must know this as well as we do and her candidacy will only bleed votes to Mr. 45.
That said, Oprah wouldn't be my first choice, but you aren't wrong, the field is looking awful thin...
(Score: 3, Funny) by DeathMonkey on Tuesday October 01 2019, @06:02PM (3 children)
Neither one of them are running. This is just a lame attempt at concern trolling.
(Score: 1) by fustakrakich on Tuesday October 01 2019, @06:12PM
:-) Yet...
Patience, my dear democrat. The day is young
And your silly cliches are quite unbecoming. Or is this "talk like a teenager" day?
La politica e i criminali sono la stessa cosa..
(Score: 2) by insanumingenium on Tuesday October 01 2019, @06:33PM (1 child)
You are right, I had thought I had seen she was running again, but it looks like that was just the rumor mill.
(Score: 2, Interesting) by fustakrakich on Tuesday October 01 2019, @06:45PM
Don't believe the denials. Just wait a while. Remember, Nixon said he wasn't a crook. The republicans are helping to "rehabilitate" her image. Tag team in action. Gotta keep the Greens and everybody else out of the discussion.
La politica e i criminali sono la stessa cosa..
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday October 01 2019, @09:42PM (4 children)
The local Campus for Bernie effort kicked off last week. I get that the organizers have been told by the marketeers that they should push buttons that college students are said to be sensitive to, but I felt getting exhorted to "make Bernie the first Jewish president" and any kind of play on identity politics to be offensive to my beliefs against racism, sexism and divisiveness.
But I know Bernie's record and will ignore this preaching to the choir. He made a bad mistake in not reaching for the stars in 2016, and I hope I donate to the correct effort such that none of my contribution went to HRC's campaign. For me, it's Bernie, or Trump if Bernie gives up. Unless someone else with strong credentials comes up, the show is still several months out.
(Score: 2) by Arik on Wednesday October 02 2019, @05:00AM (3 children)
The same here. I'll confess the idea of a Jew finally making President has a certain appeal. But no one should vote for him *because he's Jewish* ffs, this is America, we don't care about your background we care about your program.
"For me, it's Bernie, or Trump if Bernie gives up."
What's wrong with Gabbard?
If laughter is the best medicine, who are the best doctors?
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday October 02 2019, @06:33AM (2 children)
I'll have to be convinced about Gabbard. I don't know much about her, and it's still a long time away.
(Score: 2) by Arik on Wednesday October 02 2019, @06:51AM
Hard to imagine a more hostile interviewer. She handles it with grace and style. And keeps trying to take it back to her message.
It's the best message out there by far.
If laughter is the best medicine, who are the best doctors?
(Score: 2) by Arik on Thursday October 03 2019, @06:37AM
If laughter is the best medicine, who are the best doctors?