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posted by Fnord666 on Thursday October 03 2019, @11:42AM   Printer-friendly
from the gotta-watch-the-watchers dept.

U.S. to Collect DNA of All Undocumented Migrants:

The Department of Homeland Security (DHS) is developing a plan to take DNA samples from each of the undocumented immigrants and store it in a national database for criminal DNA profiles, they said.

Speaking to journalists on grounds of anonymity, DHS officials said the new policy would give immigration and border control agents a broader picture of the migrant and detainee situation.

And stored on the FBI's CODIS DNA database, it could also be used by others in law enforcement and beyond.

[...] Officials said they were in fact required to take the DNA samples by rules about the handling of arrested and convicted people that were issued by the Justice Department in 2006 and 2010, but which had not been implemented.

They said the program for collecting DNA was still being developed, and they did not have a date set for implementation.

Collecting and storing the DNA of people simply detained and not tried or convicted of a crime has drawn criticism from civil rights advocates.

"Forced DNA collection raises serious privacy and civil liberties concerns and lacks justification, especially when DHS is already using less intrusive identification methods like fingerprinting," Vera Eidelman, an attorney with the American Civil Liberties Union, said in a statement.

"This kind of mass collection also alters the purpose of DNA collection from one of criminal investigation to population surveillance, which is contrary to our basic notions of freedom and autonomy," Eidelman said.

If it becomes okay to do this to "them", how long will it take before they want to do it to "us"?


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  • (Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday October 03 2019, @03:18PM (10 children)

    by Anonymous Coward on Thursday October 03 2019, @03:18PM (#902304)

    Hahahahaha!!! You know how I know you've never gotten in trouble with the law?

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  • (Score: 2) by DannyB on Thursday October 03 2019, @03:30PM (9 children)

    by DannyB (5839) Subscriber Badge on Thursday October 03 2019, @03:30PM (#902311) Journal

    You're right that I've never gotten in trouble, and you may be right about what you imply that I don't know something important about how such people are treated.

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    The lower I set my standards the more accomplishments I have.
    • (Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Thursday October 03 2019, @03:52PM (8 children)

      by The Mighty Buzzard (18) Subscriber Badge <themightybuzzard@proton.me> on Thursday October 03 2019, @03:52PM (#902324) Homepage Journal

      Cops are awesome when you need them and colossal shitheads when they're busting you.

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      My rights don't end where your fear begins.
      • (Score: -1, Flamebait) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday October 03 2019, @04:06PM (3 children)

        by Anonymous Coward on Thursday October 03 2019, @04:06PM (#902329)

        Guyger

        Not an isolated problem. Funny how you white bread morons never get upset about such things. I'll leave it to the reader to figure out why that is.

        • (Score: 1, Flamebait) by The Mighty Buzzard on Thursday October 03 2019, @05:12PM (1 child)

          by The Mighty Buzzard (18) Subscriber Badge <themightybuzzard@proton.me> on Thursday October 03 2019, @05:12PM (#902354) Homepage Journal

          Wow. That really was some impressive nonsense. Not a single thing you said was either relevant or correct.

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          My rights don't end where your fear begins.
          • (Score: -1, Spam) by Anonymous Coward on Friday October 04 2019, @03:55AM

            by Anonymous Coward on Friday October 04 2019, @03:55AM (#902535)

            Because you're an ignorant fuckwit. Not like I was actually hoping for a glimmer of self-awareness from an alt-lite dipstick.

        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday October 04 2019, @01:20AM

          by Anonymous Coward on Friday October 04 2019, @01:20AM (#902503)

          https://heavy.com/news/2018/09/amber-guyger/ [heavy.com]

          Upon being asked where she was located by emergency dispatchers, she returned to the front door to observe the address and discovered she was at the wrong apartment,” the document alleges.

          Who the hell has to go to their front door to check the address they live at?

      • (Score: 2) by DannyB on Thursday October 03 2019, @05:54PM

        by DannyB (5839) Subscriber Badge on Thursday October 03 2019, @05:54PM (#902375) Journal

        I'm not sure.

        If I have to be more afraid of the cops than the criminals, I'm not sure I want to call them for help.

        However, where I live, I don't think I would have this fear.

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        The lower I set my standards the more accomplishments I have.
      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday October 03 2019, @06:01PM (2 children)

        by Anonymous Coward on Thursday October 03 2019, @06:01PM (#902377)

        Cops are awesome when you need them and colossal shitheads when they're busting you.

        Really? My experience has been that cops are frequently nowhere to be found when I actually need them. And, yes, there are a significant fraction of cops who can be "colossal shitheads" over the most trivial of infractions. Not all of them, but they certainly exist.

        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday October 03 2019, @07:32PM (1 child)

          by Anonymous Coward on Thursday October 03 2019, @07:32PM (#902403)

          They preferred to try and find something on ME after calling them out, rather than actually listen and respond to the reason they were called out. And after a long and lengthy conversation in which they couldn't find anything illegal they promised to file a report, of which nothing ever came of it.

          *MULTIPLE TIMES*

          And this is in a lower middle class white neighborhood, around a mile from million dollar mansions. I can't imagine what it is like for people in the actually poor parts of town, which interestingly look more like an internment camp given all the traffic and utility pole cameras and the police presence there. The wealthier neighborhoods for reference have none of those cameras except on a select few major intersections and appear designed to let people enter and leave the area without license plate scanning if the follow the proper roads. The poor neighborhoods on the other hand, you can't walk out of without being tracked. America: Home of the Coward and Land of the Fee.

          • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday October 03 2019, @08:29PM

            by Anonymous Coward on Thursday October 03 2019, @08:29PM (#902423)

            So move out. It's apparent they don't want you there, and you sound intelligent enough that you could afford a solid middle class neighborhood at least.
            Plus, you may not have need then to call the cops so often.