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posted by Fnord666 on Thursday October 03 2019, @11:42AM   Printer-friendly
from the gotta-watch-the-watchers dept.

U.S. to Collect DNA of All Undocumented Migrants:

The Department of Homeland Security (DHS) is developing a plan to take DNA samples from each of the undocumented immigrants and store it in a national database for criminal DNA profiles, they said.

Speaking to journalists on grounds of anonymity, DHS officials said the new policy would give immigration and border control agents a broader picture of the migrant and detainee situation.

And stored on the FBI's CODIS DNA database, it could also be used by others in law enforcement and beyond.

[...] Officials said they were in fact required to take the DNA samples by rules about the handling of arrested and convicted people that were issued by the Justice Department in 2006 and 2010, but which had not been implemented.

They said the program for collecting DNA was still being developed, and they did not have a date set for implementation.

Collecting and storing the DNA of people simply detained and not tried or convicted of a crime has drawn criticism from civil rights advocates.

"Forced DNA collection raises serious privacy and civil liberties concerns and lacks justification, especially when DHS is already using less intrusive identification methods like fingerprinting," Vera Eidelman, an attorney with the American Civil Liberties Union, said in a statement.

"This kind of mass collection also alters the purpose of DNA collection from one of criminal investigation to population surveillance, which is contrary to our basic notions of freedom and autonomy," Eidelman said.

If it becomes okay to do this to "them", how long will it take before they want to do it to "us"?

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  • (Score: 1, Touché) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday October 03 2019, @06:46PM (2 children)

    by Anonymous Coward on Thursday October 03 2019, @06:46PM (#902392)

    >THE WISE REASONING for such policies:
    >1) Localities come 1st, they pay the cops. Your boss decides even if the bigger org says otherwise; RARELY wise to go over the boss's head.

    Uh no, Federal Law comes first. If localities don't like that, they can secede from the union with all that entails. Federal laws are not 'optional' in this country.

    >2) localities realize that communities NEED witnesses and community cooperation. Illegals will not give you CPR, etc. and save your life if the police show up and nab them. Illegals will not LEARN traffic laws or buy car insurance if they get deported... putting us at risk for injury and $ loss if not bankruptcy (medical costs.)

    Guess you haven't spent much time in California, the big scam here is (for those illegals who even bother to get a drivers license) is get insurance, show proof of insurance, then cancel it a month later. Lots of them are doing it, as this is a "Sanctuary State" and nothing happens if you get caught. These uninsured drivers are getting in accidents and leaving other drivers (or their insurance) footing the bill.. happened to me once, one crashed into me in a parking lot, tried to run off (I didn't let him get away), but left my insurance company footing the bill. Police did nothing (Sanctuary). yeah, we need more of that..

    Re: CPR, I can assure you, we are not getting floods of illegals coming in here trained in CPR... heck, most can barely even speak English.. CPR trained illegals.. an extreme edge case if there ever was one..

    3) Sex trafficking / drugs. What illegal underage girl is going to snitch on her pimp when you factor in ICE as well as the fear of death?

    Well, if her pimp had been deported to begin with, it wouldn't be our problem (nor hers). Same goes for the girl as well if she was also illegal. The point is we don't want or need (nor can we pay for) all of Latin America's problems here in our own country.

    >New policy idea: Advertise a path to citizenship for snitching on crime and you'd have too many informants! (including snitching on their employer for hiring them illegally.)

    An even better policy.. sweep and deport... then the problem goes away and we don't have to worry about it anymore. And yes, we need to arrest and charge (Americans in many cases) those hiring them as well, so illegals are not motivated to come here to start with.. Heck, you don't even need to 'sweep', they are standing out in the open right in front of Home Depot looking for day-work every freaking morning when I drive by.

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  • (Score: 2) by bussdriver on Wednesday October 16 2019, @06:28PM

    by bussdriver (6876) Subscriber Badge on Wednesday October 16 2019, @06:28PM (#907956)

    to quote anonymous:

    state and local police are *not* required to enforce Federal laws. If the Federal government wants to enforce its laws, it can do so.

    As such, the local police can and do exercise their independence from Federal agencies. You're not real familiar with the legal system in the US, are you? Are you an immigrant (not that there's anything wrong with that) or just woefully uninformed?

  • (Score: 2) by bussdriver on Wednesday October 16 2019, @07:00PM

    by bussdriver (6876) Subscriber Badge on Wednesday October 16 2019, @07:00PM (#907967)

    Pimps are not illegal immigrants! You can't deport them. Trafficking and abusing the vulnerable is practical and clever (it's already evil just add some brains.) What kind of moron thinks all these problems come from the Americas? Only a Trumptard with the maturity of understanding of a youth.

    The argument that license and insurance do not matter because some people don't is a common logic fallacy so I won't insult your maturity for illogical human reasoning. I will hint: illegal murder happens and a surprising number get away with it your logic says those laws do not work; don't bother with them.

    FYI: I'm in a zero fault state and way too many people without insurance (citizens! usually low income. and taking their license away doesn't do anything...) Nothing is done to them either; we pay for insurance just for the uninsured because it's so common. Until you put the status into the digital key that unlocks the car you won't solve it. Your personal anecdotes are extremely poor policy justifications.

    CPR is an example; most people actually don't do CPR correctly anyhow (seriously look it up.) getting literal is just being densely argumentative; most likely an indication of a strong emotional bias which a trained debater will see as a sign of weakness. Not that most the post isn't also.

    Getting into how the USA creates and amplifies a great many problems is beyond your capacity of thought; but is not entirely off topic since the claim that it's 100% their fault is false. Won't even address the argument of responsibility for what portion is our fault; but probably that is needed for the immature... Even if that is the case, that is not an argument to not do something to help them with their problems if anything because they bleed into our space; but empathy and understanding combined with our wealth and success can also be a motive (not a christian but that is a tenant of the #1 religion.)

    If you want to stop illegals; you go to the sources - it's not cost effective to create a nazi state to catch them all; remember, the nazi had many slipping bye them despite extreme measures. The sources are employers, immigration policy, and foreign policy. The illegals themselves are a product of or subject to those. Also note that they are not lazy welfare recipients, they've made more effort than most Americans would to find gainful employment and they go through all that to end up here looking for and wanting work because it's not available to where they are. As for fixing their own nation by themselves; we haven't been able to fix even simple problems in ours; we just lucked out in that we inherited success like a trust fund brat got theirs. (that is probably over your head but that is ok with some effort you can still learn even if you hate being condescended to sometimes the other person is above/ahead of you; that is not a permanent position.)