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posted by Fnord666 on Friday October 11 2019, @11:18AM   Printer-friendly
from the Pew!-Pew!-Pew! dept.

Atari VCS Lead Architect Quits, Claims Six Months of Design Work Went Unpaid:

A key member of the Atari VCS project has quit the team, claiming Atari has not paid him for his work in six months. And by key member, we are talking about Rob Wyatt, the lead architect of the Atari VCS. From the outside looking in, Wyatt's departure is seemingly a big blow to a project that has seen multiple delays.

Wyatt is an industry veteran who also helped design and launch the original Xbox console. He joined the Atari VCS team in June 2018, with Atari at the time promoting his expertise and resume in GPU hardware and 3D graphics.

"While at Microsoft, Wyatt held roles on the development teams on DirectX and the Windows kernel before becoming the system architect of the original Xbox game console. Wyatt later contributed to the graphics systems of the PlayStation 3 before moving on to become the graphics architect at Magic Leap, an augmented reality startup. Along the way, he has also lent his expertise to many AAA video games and high-end movie special effects," Atari stated in a press release announcing its hiring of Wyatt.

[...]"Atari haven't paid invoices going back over six months. As a small company, we have been lucky to survive this long," Wyatt told The Register. "I was hoping to see the project through to the end and that it wouldn't come to this, but I have little choice other than to pursue other opportunities."

The Atari VCS raised million dollars through a crowdfunding campaign on Indiegogo, and has also collected money through preorders on its website, Walmart, and GameStop. Earlier this week, Atari showed off a pre-production motherboard with a Ryzen APU installed, and prior to that, it announced a partnership with Antstream Arcade to bring thousands of retro games to the Atari VCS through a subscription model.

According to Atari, the retro console is still on track to release next year, despite the departure of Wyatt.

Any ideas of why the project is running late? Going too far past the "minimal viable product" stage? I'm just a bit surprised that he worked six months without payment.


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  • (Score: 4, Insightful) by VLM on Friday October 11 2019, @11:26AM (3 children)

    by VLM (445) on Friday October 11 2019, @11:26AM (#905668)

    I'm just a bit surprised that he worked six months without payment.

    For decades now the FOSS emulator community has captured everyone interested in Atari games and worked for free. Admittedly the roms are "illegal"-ish. The innovation for this proposed product was paying a subscription to get a license for a thousand or so old roms from the early 80s, which personally sounds a little ridiculous to me. Whats the point of bespoke 2020 era hardware to run a 2000 era emulation task to emulate a 1980 game? The joystick hardware interface is not what takes a "Ryzen(tm) APU".

    • (Score: 2, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Friday October 11 2019, @11:41AM

      by Anonymous Coward on Friday October 11 2019, @11:41AM (#905675)

      problem is that modern games are shit.

      games on tapes were fun.
      modern games? i liked rochard. i like the rebooted abe's odyssey. i liked psychonauts. but otherwise... with apologies to half-life, 3D shooters are more or less all the same. and no, I did not mention car or "sports" games.

      games on tapes were all different and people actually thought about the content.
      and the ideas worked fine without fancy graphics.

      by the way, you can find supaplex online for free.

    • (Score: 4, Informative) by takyon on Friday October 11 2019, @12:01PM (1 child)

      by takyon (881) <{takyon} {at} {soylentnews.org}> on Friday October 11 2019, @12:01PM (#905685) Journal

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atari_VCS_(2019_console) [wikipedia.org]

      the new Atari VCS is expected to play modern games and streaming entertainment via a Linux-based operating system that will allow users to download and install other compatible games onto it.

      [...] CPU: 14nm AMD Raven Ridge 2
      Memory:
      8 GB DDR4 (800 model) (upgradeable)
      4 GB DDR4 (400 model) (upgradeable)

      You only need up to about 2 GB of memory in a LibreELEC, FireOS, Roki, etc. entertainment system. Less for emulating systems up to and including the Atari Jaguar, which had a whopping 2 MB of RAM.

      The Raven Ridge APU was also an overkill choice, but x86 might offer more flexibility. They could offer not just original Atari console games that require barely any performance to run, but also games owned by Atari, SA [wikipedia.org], which has been operating to this day. That includes newer titles like Rollercoaster Tycoon. It's hard to say what else because they sold off properties around the time of their bankruptcy. They can run the stuff in Wine. They could also include other emulators. There are games for Game Boy Color and other systems under the Infogrames brand owned by Atari.

      They didn't want to stay in the retro lane. In the years this thing has been in development, the market has been flooded with retro consoles and streaming boxes/sticks. The retro consoles typically include a weak ARM chip, emulator, and GUI to run bundled games from a single old console. What they are selling is more of a Linux PC gaming "console" that does the stuff that is already expected of any major console or smart TV.

      The Atari VCS will be driven by a Linux operating system. The software is specifically designed to be open to allow users to install other Linux-compatible applications on the Atari VCS alongside pre-installed games, using Atari Vault. Other applications that can be installed include streaming applications, music players, and web browsers.

      Whereas the Atari 2600 was a cartridge-driven game system, the VCS does not use cartridges or optical discs for games, but instead allows players to download games from external websites or install through storage media such as SD cards.[citation needed] The Atari VCS will have a custom storefront that Atari developed with an undisclosed "leading industry partner", where users can download additional video games and applications. All users will have access to basic online features such as the store and online multiplayer, however, access to cloud storage and live streaming video games will be available exclusively on a subscription service.

      Atari has stated that the unit will ship with "tons of classic Atari retro games pre-loaded, and current titles from a range of studios". Conuladh stated that there will be "hundreds" of Atari games, plus a number of other retro games from other catalogs. The console will ship with Antstream Arcade, a game streaming service that supports titles from the Amiga, Commodore 64, ZX Spectrum, and arcade games.

      It is basically a Linux Steam Machine [wikipedia.org], made by a smaller company.

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      • (Score: 2) by driverless on Sunday October 13 2019, @01:26AM

        by driverless (4770) on Sunday October 13 2019, @01:26AM (#906487)

        That's the problem with the VCS, it doesn't know what it wants to be. Is it a modern version of the 2600, which you could do with any random SBC and some emulation software, or a gaming PC, which you could do with any random gaming PC. What they're making is a so-so gaming PC sold as a staggeringly overpriced 2600 emulator. Even the most diehard 2600 fan would have a hard time justifying paying for that...

        It looks like the VCS folks got caught in an escalation trap, they figured they could sell maybe a few thousand pure 2600 emulators to diehard fans and tried to expand it into something with more popular appeal that would get sales from a wider consumer base. Problem is that they're now competing with the PS and XBox, which isn't something where a few enthusiasts with a bit of donated funding can get anywhere.

  • (Score: 2) by VLM on Friday October 11 2019, @11:31AM (2 children)

    by VLM (445) on Friday October 11 2019, @11:31AM (#905670)

    The wikipedia article is pretty interesting

    On June 22, 2014, Atari announced a new corporate strategy that would include a focus on "new audiences", specifically "LGBT, social casinos, real-money gambling, and YouTube".

    Not really sure how a Ryzen(tm) APU fits in with being gay (perhaps a dildo shaped heatsink to pander to the rainbow types? God knows what the joystick handle will look like.) or illegal internet gambling (coinslot on the front?
      a CC magnetic stripe reader for billing?), but whatevs. Maybe this implies they changed marketing strategy yet again?

    • (Score: 4, Informative) by takyon on Friday October 11 2019, @12:12PM (1 child)

      by takyon (881) <{takyon} {at} {soylentnews.org}> on Friday October 11 2019, @12:12PM (#905687) Journal

      I saw that when I was reading one of the articles (there are too many Atari Wikipedia pages). 2014 is an eternity ago for this company and that statement has everything to do with finding their footing after bankruptcy and nothing to do with their new console which was announced in 2017. They mentioned YouTube and LGBT because (they believed) those were hip at the time, same with "social casinos" [thebalanceeveryday.com].

      Here's something more funny:

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atari_VCS_(2019_console) [wikipedia.org]

      On June 27, 2018, Rob Wyatt, system architect for the original Xbox and designer of PlayStation 3's graphic systems, was announced as part of the VCS team. Wyatt and his company Tin Giant had been working with Atari for months to define hardware and operating system requirements. About joining the project, Wyatt said, "Who wouldn't want to be part of bringing Atari back? From the moment the AMD team introduced me to Atari and the VCS project, I have been intrigued and inspired by the opportunity that it represents." The announcement came only days after British technology news website The Register and Atari faced off after an interview between a reporter and Atari COO Michael Arzt from March 2018 resurfaced. In the article, The Register reporter questioned the VCS project's legitimacy after Arzt was unable to answer certain questions about the project.

      [...] On October 4, 2019, lead architect Rob Wyatt stated that he resigned from the project in a statement to The Register. Wyatt cited non-payment by Atari as a key reason for his departure. In wake of this news, several of those that had backed the Indiegogo campaign took to the project's Reddit forum to ask about the state of the project, but Atari subsequently took down these posts.

      His time at Atari started after The Register trashed the console, and he gave his statement to The Register after he left. And now Atari is in damage control mode. Well, at least they're not Blizzard.

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      • (Score: 2) by barbara hudson on Friday October 11 2019, @06:33PM

        by barbara hudson (6443) <barbara.Jane.hudson@icloud.com> on Friday October 11 2019, @06:33PM (#905971) Journal
        They might think they're in damage control mode, but it sounds more like "we spent all the money we raised on blackjack, hookers, and blow and we're getting ready to go bankrupt " mode. Or just turn off the lights and disappear so they don't have to answer awkward questions.

        ... another one bites the dust ...

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  • (Score: 2) by Rupert Pupnick on Friday October 11 2019, @12:28PM (1 child)

    by Rupert Pupnick (7277) on Friday October 11 2019, @12:28PM (#905692) Journal

    Crap. Does this mean no Space Dungeon?

  • (Score: 5, Interesting) by bzipitidoo on Friday October 11 2019, @12:49PM (2 children)

    by bzipitidoo (4388) Subscriber Badge on Friday October 11 2019, @12:49PM (#905697) Journal

    I've been screwed out of my pay 3 times by employers. They were edgy startups that ran out of money. When pressed. they would whine that actually, we unpaid contractors should feel sorry for them that the business was not going well, rather than sorry for ourselves. What's a little being kicked out of your apartment for not paying the rent next to the agonizing end of a glorious dream due to such a sordid thing as a lack of funding? If you all would just keep working for us for free, for just a little longer, just one more month, or maybe two more (or three, or, heck 6 more months), we can finish this great work, or at least turn the corner, and then we'll all be rich. After all, the founders are working for free, haven't paid themselves a dime. So why can't you, huh?

    Edgy startups pull that crap all the time. You really have to watch them. But don't think that big and established means you're safe. How about hourly workers being forced to work off the clock? First you clock out, then you do the end-of-the-day clean up, see. And in the morning before you clock in, there are a few little things we expect you to do. How about the likes Enron forcing their employees to invest their retirement funds in the company? Shame that was all vaporized when the company tanked, but that's life, ya know? Pension plans are perpetually in peril. Whatever happened to "9 to 5", how did that become "8 to 5"? Companies gave themselves a free lunch, that's how.

    Employment laws need to be better enforced. But right now, we have one of the worst cheaters of employees and contractors in the highest office.

    • (Score: 2) by Rupert Pupnick on Friday October 11 2019, @06:02PM (1 child)

      by Rupert Pupnick (7277) on Friday October 11 2019, @06:02PM (#905943) Journal

      Great stories +1. Young, up and coming techies: take heed.

      • (Score: 2) by barbara hudson on Friday October 11 2019, @06:49PM

        by barbara hudson (6443) <barbara.Jane.hudson@icloud.com> on Friday October 11 2019, @06:49PM (#905983) Journal
        It's not just startups. In this business you can have company that have been around a decade or more that screw up royally and pull the same crap, trying to save themselves by converting employees into contractors so that they don't actually have to invest in product development since you only get paid when they get paid. My last employer tried that, I quit, claiming constructive dismissal, then made his life miserable until a months worth of bounced pay cheques and vacation pay were in my bank account.'

        This can be a very dirty business. It attracts wannabe businessmen of the "fake it 'til you make it" ilk, and things go south when they believe their own bullshit.

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