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My discomfort in the last few years, first with Russiagate and now with Ukrainegate and impeachment, stems from the belief that the people pushing hardest for Trump’s early removal are more dangerous than Trump. Many Americans don’t see this because they’re not used to waking up in a country where you’re not sure who the president will be by nightfall. They don’t understand that this predicament is worse than having a bad president.
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When is she going to announce?
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-- William Baumol
(Score: 1) by khallow on Monday October 14 2019, @04:53PM (19 children)
Who?
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday October 14 2019, @06:09PM (11 children)
CIA agents and diplomats involved in corrupt schemes and their coverups who were visibly shaken when they heard someone might really investigate their past crimes.
(Score: 1) by fustakrakich on Monday October 14 2019, @06:53PM (10 children)
So, CYA? "I was just following orders"? Sorry, to be taken seriously, real evidence is required, recordings, pictures, receipts, the usual. They don't even need to expose themselves, just cough up the goods and/or go away.
visibly shaken
Oh brother! Now we have cheap novelists writing the news.
This theater is one thing, quite the attraction. This audience! oy vey!
If the truth is to be conveyed on the stage, there is only one [playbill.com]. Ok, two [mentalfloss.com]... Fine! three [youtube.com]
La politica e i criminali sono la stessa cosa..
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday October 14 2019, @07:26PM (6 children)
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/the-whistleblower-complaint-whistleblower-had-prior-working-relationship-with-current-2020-democratic-candidate/ [cbsnews.com]
(Score: 1) by fustakrakich on Monday October 14 2019, @07:56PM (5 children)
The reporter says,
Get whatever "transpired" on tape please. Everybody involved right now is too emotional.
La politica e i criminali sono la stessa cosa..
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday October 15 2019, @01:02AM (4 children)
We know what transpired. Ukraine had already reopened the investigations months earlier, then Trump (who didn't know) was like hey why not look into that corrupt Biden stuff, then months later there was some kind of (seemingly unrelated) small aid package Ukraine got from the US. The only people who could be "visibly shaken" when they heard such an exchange are those who were involved in the corruption somehow.
(Score: 1) by fustakrakich on Tuesday October 15 2019, @01:08AM (3 children)
We know what transpired.
So you heard the tapes? Unless you have clearance you didn't mention, you only know what the tabloids are telling you. It is very presumptuous to believe what they say. Whistleblowers bring evidence, not testimony. Send them back in with a wire.
La politica e i criminali sono la stessa cosa..
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday October 15 2019, @01:39AM (2 children)
The transcript is here: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1uyWKAGgHIqDEORgjOyo0uq7JOXzhxOQf/preview [google.com]
(Score: 1) by fustakrakich on Tuesday October 15 2019, @01:43AM (1 child)
Those are based on testimony, not recordings. All the good whistleblowers from the past came with real documentation. That's what we need here.
La politica e i criminali sono la stessa cosa..
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday October 15 2019, @01:45AM
It sounds like the same thing as a court record where someone types in what is being said as well as they can in shorthand.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday October 14 2019, @07:38PM (2 children)
Sounds like someone neck deep in corruption:
https://patriotssoapbox.com/opinion/update-alleged-whistleblower-eric-ciaramella-may-be-connected-to-steele-dossier/ [patriotssoapbox.com]
(Score: 1) by khallow on Monday October 14 2019, @11:47PM (1 child)
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday October 15 2019, @01:54AM
Yea, but when you read the transcript and hear that they were "visibly shaken"...
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday October 14 2019, @06:15PM (6 children)
Possibly this guy: https://patriotssoapbox.com/opinion/update-whistleblower-identified-as-eric-ciaramella/ [patriotssoapbox.com]
(Score: 1) by khallow on Tuesday October 15 2019, @07:40AM (5 children)
Similarly, from the other post [soylentnews.org] citing this particular blog, we have bald assertions that Ciaramella may have run a meeting which they might not have attended or the meeting might not even exist. And there's the claim of "secret impeachment proceedings" by the Democrats of the House. What's the basis for that claim?
There's way too many lazy claims without evidence. The final question from that blog bears mentioning:
This crosses the line to an attack, particularly disturbing since it's an attack on career bureaucrats who normally would be invisible. Who is painting the target?
Here's my take. We're seeing someone from the Trump leadership using bloggers to take out bureaucrats who aren't Trump supporters. Given how flimsy the evidence has been to this point, I imagine one or more of the bloggers mentioned gets inside dope and then coming up with a secondary excuse for why the laser targeting beam is focused on Ciaramella. This story above about Ciaramella and his purported motives may well be true, but let's remember who has inside knowledge and can most easily direct others to the attack.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday October 15 2019, @10:37AM (4 children)
Could be, or just conspiracy theorists "connecting the dots", right or wrong. One thng is for sure after reading the transcript though, whoever was visibly shaken must have been involved in the corruption.
(Score: 1) by khallow on Tuesday October 15 2019, @02:51PM (3 children)
(Score: 1) by fustakrakich on Tuesday October 15 2019, @05:18PM (2 children)
You're not seeing any evidence yet. (aside from the ongoing obstruction right now, no law breaking has been proven.) These "transcripts" are written by dime store novelists. I stated in another post, a real whistleblower will go in with a wire, camera, whatever, not write notes while getting the vapors over the content. Real evidence will implicate all the beautiful people. Neither side wants that. It just can't happen. Prosecution would turn into a confession, self incrimination.
La politica e i criminali sono la stessa cosa..
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday October 15 2019, @07:19PM (1 child)
What makes you say that?
(Score: 1) by fustakrakich on Tuesday October 15 2019, @07:43PM
All the scene setting , it's irrelevant. "visibly shaken", WTF? Another *dark and stormy night*? We need tapes, not drama. Doesn't help the cause, which I expect to be about rooting out corruption, not just the president. Yeah, right!
La politica e i criminali sono la stessa cosa..