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ANN JILLIAN'S HAIR makes LONI ANDERSON'S HAIR look like RICARDO
MONTALBAN'S HAIR!
(Score: 2) by DeathMonkey on Tuesday October 15 2019, @06:06PM
If only Trump had a war on "forever wars" instead of inconvenient facts...
(Score: 3, Informative) by DeathMonkey on Tuesday October 15 2019, @06:12PM (21 children)
I also like how we withdraw a bit under 1000 troops who are helping our allies the Kurds [cnn.com]
Only, to deploy 1800 to protect the guys who did 9/11. [cnn.com]
(Score: 2, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday October 15 2019, @08:37PM (20 children)
I find it really interesting that the results of the Trump Administration's "diplomacy" has been to get our*allies* (Turkey and the Syrian Kurds) to seek the help of our adversaries (Russia and Syria, respectively) rather than even *attempting* to work out something peacefully.
As for those who either think that Trump was wrong to pull our troops from the Syrian/Turkish border *and* those who think we should just abandon the folks who have been instrumental in driving back ISIL, I'll say several things:
1. Turkey is a NATO ally. Engaging in combat with a NATO ally would badly damage our most important alliance;
2. The Syrian Kurds, having fought alongside US forces for years, deserve our political, economic and military support;
3. By not working this out with Erdogan and the Kurds *before* Turkey started massing troops at the border, the Trump administration has given the Russians several big wins:
(a) They will now be seen as the "peacekeepers," even though both sides are *our* allies;
(b) Various groups/states will be very leery of working with the US in future, as we aren't very good allies;
(c) The result of (b) is that the US will find it *much* harder to advance its interests around the world. So much for "America First" eh?
As for the troops in Saudi Arabia, apparently we never learn. bin Laden was able to mobilize so many Sunnis in large part because the US had troops based in Saudi Arabia during and after the first gulf war.
Beyond that, Saudi Arabia has millions of military-aged men, as well as hundreds of billions of dollars of US military equipment. Why do we need to be there? We don't.
All of this will only serve to weaken our alliances around the world, and embolden those whose interests are contrary to those of the US.
It's times like this that I wish I owned a car. Then I could put a bumper sticker on it that reads: "Don't blame me. I voted for the other guy."
Sigh.
(Score: 1) by fustakrakich on Tuesday October 15 2019, @08:54PM (3 children)
Change it to:
"Don't blame me. I voted for another guy/girl."
Then nobody can blame you for anything. The "other" guy is really just the first guy's tag team partner.
La politica e i criminali sono la stessa cosa..
(Score: 1, Funny) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday October 15 2019, @08:59PM (2 children)
Don't fucking tell me what to do, Fusty.
I don't remind you to get your syphilis treated, do I? Nor do I encourage you to get that GED. So mind your own business.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday October 15 2019, @10:55PM
Ooo! Ouch! The irony!
Now go get your fuckin' shine box!
(Score: 1) by fustakrakich on Tuesday October 15 2019, @11:08PM
I don't remind you to get your syphilis treated, do I?
Thanks! I almost forgot!
You know you're a goof, right? But I like you anyway. I have your attention. What more can I ask?
And don't forget to change that sticker.
La politica e i criminali sono la stessa cosa..
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday October 15 2019, @10:03PM (12 children)
Funny you are on the side of John Bolton now. I bet you were against his every action during the Bush years.
(Score: 3, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday October 15 2019, @10:32PM (6 children)
He is a war hawk and most liberals want us to stop our meddling and unnecessary military "actions." So while we want to pull troops out of these areas it doesn't mean do it blindly or ignore our obligations due to the messes we ourselves created.
Liberals, constantly cleaning up after conservative greedy fuckups. I member when Nixon prolonged a war to help his election...
Not that Dems are saints, but we have 60+ years of history showing Republicans fucking up just about everything EXCEPT tax cuts for the elites. GOOD JOB!
Try looking up the dirt on Saint Reagan sometime
(Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday October 15 2019, @10:41PM (4 children)
You are just on the side of whoever is against the republican president. Democrats get a pass for the exact same thing. Now you are against corruption probes too I bet. It is illegal to investigate corrupt politicians and government bureaucrats for corruption, until democrats get the presidency that is.
(Score: 0, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday October 15 2019, @10:43PM (1 child)
And the most hilarious part is that TRUMP IS ACTUALLY A DEMOCRAT! Your mind is so twisted into knots because you keep trying to believe professional liars, you let it become part of your self image.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday October 17 2019, @06:01PM
The spin has started, Trump's base will pretend they always knew he was shit just as they always do.
Ostriches hiding their heads in the sand while everyone laughs at them.
#pathetic #triedtowarnyou #twatter
(Score: 2, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday October 15 2019, @11:38PM (1 child)
Nothing wrong with corruption investigations when through the proper channels. When done by the president against a political opponent using extortion of a foreign ally we call that TREASON.
Git a brain slug.
(Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday October 15 2019, @11:45PM
It s unbelievable that the Democrats are right that some people are dumb enough to repeat this.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday October 15 2019, @10:42PM
The effect of that is that we'll stay in these wars forever. Why? Because the military industrial complex - which you're being a useful idiot for - will prolong these wars as long as possible, using the excuse that it's 'not the right time' to leave.
Here's the reality: The longer stay in these regions, the worse we'll destabilize them. The Taliban controls more of Afghanistan now than it did when we first invaded. We see article after article of civilian casualties, botched drone strikes, etc. You think that's not going to further radicalize people against us? You think the same military industrial complex which destabilized the region will now earnestly try to fix it, and be able to do so? That's incredibly naive.
Define victory for me, and then give me a timeline which lays out in concrete terms when we can leave these wars. Then, tell me how you plan on getting the military industrial complex to follow your little plan. I'll wait.
This is putting aside the fact that most of these wars weren't declared by Congress and are thus unconstitutional, which is reason enough to leave immediately.
(Score: 2, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday October 16 2019, @05:02AM (4 children)
I don't know about that. If *he* agrees with me, that's on him not me as I don't pay attention to what he says, and I didn't do so 15 years ago either.
I find it odd that this is all you have to say. Do you have something of interest or that adds more perspectives or information?
Please. By all means speak up and be heard. Share your perspective.
We all should, as the stuff that's going on is actually consequential.
We're a big country and have lots of people and resources. We have interests and alliances all over the world, *many* (note that I didn't say 'all') of which help us maintain our economy, our environment and our peaceful borders.
Many of the policies dealing with other nations are dependent on the comity and good will of our allies.
Not stepping in and making sure that Turkey didn't go after the Kurds was stupid. I'm absolutely not saying that our troops should have opened fire on the Turks and their accompanying militias (at least one of which was a long-time US ally in Syria too).
But the US military and government should have put strong pressure on Turkey through NATO and State Department channels to back off. And it probably would have worked, too. And even if it hadn't, we were there trying to help our friends.
What does that say to people around the world? Especially to those who could be strong allies in advancing our interests. That we walked away like this, not protecting (negotiate time for them to leave, perhaps?) the Kurds and allowing the escape of hundreds, if not thousands of the guys we've spent years, many lives and a lot of treasure to get rid of.
What does that say to the rest of the world? Don't trust the US. They won't be there for you when you need them.
Not very flattering. And *extremely* counterproductive if we wish to be successful in protecting our interests around the world.
What say you, other AC? Do you have an opinion about this subject?
I hope so. That's what we're here for isn't it? To discuss, argue and thresh out issues of interest?
(Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday October 16 2019, @03:33PM (3 children)
So basically you want the US to keep meddling in other countries shit overseas.
Let Russia, China, and Europe handle it, Bring the troops home.
(Score: 1) by fustakrakich on Wednesday October 16 2019, @07:17PM (2 children)
Let Russia, China, and Europe handle it...
What? And let their dictatorships (even in parts of Europe) get fat from the profits? All these wars are to "salt the earth" to prevent that, to starve the enemy.
You know, one of the stated reasons after world war 2 for "protecting" our "allies" was the the hope they wouldn't develop the weaponry to start world war 3.
La politica e i criminali sono la stessa cosa..
(Score: 1, Funny) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday October 17 2019, @01:35AM (1 child)
You are truly a Putin puppet.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday October 17 2019, @02:54AM
And YOU are truly very funny! Now go play with your razor blades. Don't call us, we'll call you
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday October 15 2019, @10:21PM (2 children)
So how long do we have to protect the Kurds before they can protect themselves? Or are you suggesting we stay there forever? I see people talk about how we need to protect the Kurds, but they won't define victory or say for how long.
More importantly, even the fact that we're in Syria right now at all is unconstitutional.
(Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Tuesday October 15 2019, @11:48PM (1 child)
At some point, the point will probably become moot. Turkey has a history of genociding inconvenient people.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_massacres_in_Turkey [wikipedia.org]
In Turkey's defense, it must be pointed out that they killed fewer people in the 20th century than Germany, or Russia, or China.
Abortion is the number one killed of children in the United States.
(Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday October 16 2019, @07:19AM
Happy turkey day next month....
jackass
(Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday October 15 2019, @07:15PM
This means we should all give the government even more money to fuck around with and lie to us about it!
(Score: 1) by fustakrakich on Tuesday October 15 2019, @07:59PM (42 children)
If we vote the dems back in, will they bring back all the transparency, stop the telecom spying, no more national security letters, they'll repeal the Patriot Act? And give us a medicare card? AND bring the troops home for Christmas??
Sounds cool. Bet you a dollar they won't do any of that...
La politica e i criminali sono la stessa cosa..
(Score: 5, Interesting) by DeathMonkey on Tuesday October 15 2019, @08:01PM (41 children)
Doing stuff is harder than sitting on your ass whining about how everyone other than you is an asshole.
They'll do as much of that stuff as they can, though, yes. Expect Republicans to oppose them every step along the way.
(Score: 1) by fustakrakich on Tuesday October 15 2019, @08:15PM (28 children)
Tell it to the dems in congress. That's what we elect them for. We watched the dems fall down ten years ago when they had all the power. That is why the republicans are in charge now. So please, save your breath.
And you do the same thing here sitting on your ass bitching about republicans. Monkey see, Monkey do, eh?
Just because the effort to vote them all out is a miserable failure, doesn't mean we aren't trying. The psychological barriers are much tougher to scale than that new wall, as your tribalism so beautifully illustrates.
La politica e i criminali sono la stessa cosa..
(Score: 4, Interesting) by DeathMonkey on Tuesday October 15 2019, @08:28PM (27 children)
I guess you missed the part where the Democrats reduced the overseas deployments to the lowest level in SIXTY years.
I'm bitching about the people who are INCREASING our foreign involvement while praising the people who DECREASED our foreign involvement.
That's the way it's supposed to work...
(Score: 0, Troll) by fustakrakich on Tuesday October 15 2019, @08:41PM (22 children)
Yeah yeah, marginal numbers games. Save it. The serious shit isn't even public. Do something real like stopping the arms sales to terrorists.
We all know Hillary's real legacy [nytimes.com]. Here you have Bush's (with full democrat consent to "use of force") [bbc.co.uk]
Some day you will realize that you are just cheerleading for regular machine politics.
La politica e i criminali sono la stessa cosa..
(Score: 3, Touché) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday October 15 2019, @08:50PM (10 children)
Why didn't you include the articles that went with the graphics you linked?
Perhaps because they don't support your claims?
Prove me wrong. Post links to the *actual* articles from which these graphics were drawn.
I won't hold my breath.
(Score: 1) by fustakrakich on Tuesday October 15 2019, @08:58PM (2 children)
I won't hold my breath.
:-) That's nice
La politica e i criminali sono la stessa cosa..
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday October 15 2019, @09:00PM (1 child)
Is it painful to talk out of your ass as much as you do?
Asking for a friend.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday October 16 2019, @07:45AM
You're the expert! You tell me!
(Score: 2) by DeathMonkey on Tuesday October 15 2019, @09:02PM (2 children)
One hundred and forty seven Democrats voted against the Iraq war. That is not "full support."
(Score: 1) by fustakrakich on Tuesday October 15 2019, @10:45PM (1 child)
Only one voted against the Afghanistan war. Full consent? Close enough...
La politica e i criminali sono la stessa cosa..
(Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday October 15 2019, @11:24PM
News conference just ended: Trump is obstructing democrats.
(Score: 2) by DeathMonkey on Tuesday October 15 2019, @09:13PM (3 children)
I can't figure out how they even RELATE to his claims!
(Score: 3, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday October 15 2019, @10:35PM (2 children)
They don't, just typical lazy whataboutism.
So tired of the shitty discussions here, but won't stop calling out the idiots when they push their propaganda.
(Score: 1) by fustakrakich on Tuesday October 15 2019, @10:51PM (1 child)
They don't, just typical lazy whataboutism.
Yeah, getting you people to look in the mirror is more difficult than we thought. But I can understand your resistance. Nobody wants to see that monster.
La politica e i criminali sono la stessa cosa..
(Score: 1, Funny) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday October 15 2019, @11:41PM
I do own a mirror thank you very much. Typically your problem resolves itself over time, but that isn't a guarantee. Hopefully I don't have to explain that joke.
(Score: 4, Informative) by DeathMonkey on Tuesday October 15 2019, @09:00PM (10 children)
I bet you didn't know that Nancy Pelosi was one of the 156 elected officials that voted against the Irag war. Take a wild guess at what party the vast majority of the remaining 155 were.
Congress Members Who Voted Against the 2002 Iraq War [thoughtco.com]
(Score: 2) by DeathMonkey on Tuesday October 15 2019, @09:09PM (1 child)
And that one Independent is currently vying for the Democratic Presidential nomination....
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday October 15 2019, @10:11PM
And Ron Paul ran as a republican, did that turn you into one?
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday October 15 2019, @10:29PM (2 children)
Voting against Iraq is a bare minimum. You also have to take 'courageous' stances against mass surveillance, the Unpatriotic Act, our two-party system, the military industrial complex in general, our for-profit price-gouging healthcare system, the war on drugs, etc. Democrats are more likely to do those things, but not enough. That's why we need to primary the corporate Democrats and replace them with actual progressives. Don't be satisfied with corporatists just because they're somewhat less bad than the corporatists on the other side.
(Score: 2) by DeathMonkey on Wednesday October 16 2019, @03:43PM (1 child)
Yes, and 156 politicians meet that bare minimum. Only TWO of them are Republicans.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday October 17 2019, @01:38PM
Great, but so what? There are other bare minimums to consider, which I listed. If you're merely trying to point out that the Ds and Rs aren't exactly the same in all ways and in all cases, then only fustakrakich seems to disagree with that. The problem is that there is a huge contingent of Democrats in power who agree with Republicans on significant issues where they shouldn't. In fact, I'd go as far to say that when the two parties cooperate, they're almost always on the wrong side of the issue.
(Score: 1) by fustakrakich on Tuesday October 15 2019, @10:40PM (4 children)
I bet you didn't know that Nancy Pelosi was one of the 156 elected officials that voted against the Irag war.
Iraq? Please. Afghanistan! That's what the "use of force" references. It is an equally corrupt war, or, as an opium war, indicated in the above graphic you hand waved off, even more so...
Yes, full democrat consent, minus one singular vote against the transparent fraud.
In the end Pelosi gave us one thing, Trump
La politica e i criminali sono la stessa cosa..
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday October 15 2019, @11:52PM (3 children)
At least Trump was constitutionally eligible to be president, unlike John Mccane who had to have a congress pass a resolution to allow himself and Obama to run: https://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/110/sres511/text [govtrack.us]
(Score: 1, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday October 16 2019, @02:40AM (2 children)
Obama? He was born in the US. Hawaii became the 50th state in 1959. Obama was born in Hawaii in 1961.
That makes him a "natural born citizen."
McCain, on the other hand, was born in the Panama Canal Zone, which is not (and never will be) a US state.
What's with the bullshit birtherism crap?? Donny, is that you?
(Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday October 16 2019, @03:11PM
Obamas real birth details are classified because one of his parents was an agent overseas. Thats why they had mccain run against him.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday October 17 2019, @03:14AM
..., to American parents, making him a "natural born citizen" too.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday October 15 2019, @10:26PM (3 children)
And Obama could have just as easily pulled all troops from the region. Yet he didn't, which makes him a warmongering scumbag. Plus, he got us into several new wars. What you don't seem to understand is that being marginally less evil than someone else still makes one evil. You're letting the overton window shift to the right, which is destroying any hope we have of real positive change.
(Score: 2) by DeathMonkey on Wednesday October 16 2019, @03:47PM (2 children)
Or, he could have slowly drawn down out overseas involvement thus exiting responsibly and not creating a power vacuum that ISIS can take advantage of.
If he did that we would observer a long term downward trend in overseas deployment. Boy, if he had reduced it to a sixty year low that would be a great accomplishment!
(Score: 1) by fustakrakich on Wednesday October 16 2019, @07:26PM
Replaced those troops with private contractors and hired mercenaries (terrorists). I guess that's one way of absolving yourself.
La politica e i criminali sono la stessa cosa..
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday October 17 2019, @01:45PM
Terrorist organizations will form no matter what we do; it's not our responsibility to fix the middle east, even if we are in part responsible for destabilizing it. If anything, we're making it worse, so us leaving would do them a favor. Obama didn't try to prosecute torturers ('Look forward, not back!') or oppose drone strikes, which hit over 90% of the wrong targets. How on Earth is droning innocent people responsible? We're just further radicalizing people against us. The longer we stay, the worse it will get.
The military industrial complex has you duped; they will always use the excuse that we can't exit now because we have to be "responsible." Thus, the effect would be that we would never exit these wars, as I said here. [soylentnews.org]
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday October 15 2019, @10:35PM (4 children)
Obama defended, lied about, and expanded the NSA's unconstitutional mass surveillance, and attacked whistleblowers like Snowden. Pardoning Snowden was 100% within his power, and yet he didn't do so. Possibly because there are many Democrats who aren't on the right side of the issues. Obama could also have vetoed the Patriot Act as a sign of protest, even if his veto would have been overridden. There were so many good things that Obama could have done, and yet he didn't.
You react to false claims about Democrats by over-defending them, which is completely toxic and does nothing to help the progressive cause. The Democratic party is still incredibly corrupt and in need of massive reform.
(Score: 2, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday October 15 2019, @11:43PM (3 children)
I don't think anyone disagrees with that, but right now the Rs are all corrupt while the Ds are just pretty corrupt.
(Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Tuesday October 15 2019, @11:51PM
Yeah, if you wear rose-tinted glasses, you tend not to see some of the not-red lighting.
Abortion is the number one killed of children in the United States.
(Score: 1, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday October 16 2019, @12:48AM (1 child)
Plenty of people seem to disagree with that and even think of Obama as a good president. Trump is dangerous because he has the effect of rehabilitating all of the awful presidents before him in people's minds. Partisan hacks are sadly all too common.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday October 17 2019, @07:37AM
People always ignore that Obama only has 1 year with a congress that would even try to work with him, and 7 with Republicans doing their best to stonewall him. He got us out of a bad recession, but he continued and even ramped up some nasty shit. I think most of the adoration us spun by the media and also due to the presidents before and after which really make him look like a saint.
Carter was the only truly good president in the ladt 50 years, yet he is constantly shit on because the moneybags didn't like his common sense honest approach.
It is high time the US kicked the bullshit cowboy capitalist crap back to the gutter.
(Score: 3, Insightful) by Runaway1956 on Tuesday October 15 2019, @11:50PM (6 children)
Indeed. You should take your own lesson to heart.
Abortion is the number one killed of children in the United States.
(Score: 3, Insightful) by DeathMonkey on Wednesday October 16 2019, @03:50PM (5 children)
Piercing the rightwing bubble with facts such as these IS doing something.
(Score: 0, Troll) by Runaway1956 on Wednesday October 16 2019, @05:01PM (4 children)
Are you sure you're a lefty? Dems are far more interested in feelz than they are in factz.
Talk show, again, this morning. Some professor who happens to be female, black, and grossly overweight, blames her obesity on Trump. The talk show hosts decided to take a closer look at her. They found a photo of her from 2015, when Obama was still president. She appeared to be equally female, equally black, and equally overweight in 2015, as she is today.
forgive the crazy URL, but I hope you see the google image search that I see, when I restrict the dates between 2010 and 2015
https://www.google.com/search?q=brittney+cooper+rutgers&tbs=cdr:1,cd_min:10/1/2010,cd_max:10/1/2015&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjQ2rrXn6HlAhVxk-AKHZHMBoQQ_AUIEygC&biw=1727&bih=814&dpr=1.1 [google.com]
In the professor's mind, I'm sure she was a slim, attractive woman at SOME POINT in life. That's the feelz. But the factz just don't support her feelz. And, this woman sports the title "professor"!!!
https://www.bizpacreview.com/2019/10/16/blame-trump-for-black-women-being-obese-professor-says-839952 [bizpacreview.com]
I dunno, maybe Donald Trump did make her "thick". He does like the women, right? He could have given her a case of permanent peter poisoning?
Abortion is the number one killed of children in the United States.
(Score: -1, Flamebait) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday October 16 2019, @05:05PM
She moah Jemimah den Auntie Jemimah!!
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday October 17 2019, @07:42AM (2 children)
Moar projection!!!
It is pretty disturbing how conservatives are literally insane. You blame others for your own faults, refuse to acknoedge simple facts, and make threats of violence when trapped in a logical corner or you just FEEL threatened.
Sad and dangerous, you lot have already greenlighted the concentration camps, I wonder what the hidden death toll will come out to be years down the line.
I always used rightwing nutjob as more of a generic insult that matched some of you, but recently it has become clear that the propaganda machines have literally made it a simple description.
(Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Thursday October 17 2019, @01:44PM (1 child)
If I had any faults, it would probably be your fault, yes.
Abortion is the number one killed of children in the United States.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday October 17 2019, @06:29PM
reddit.com/r/selfawarewolves
You're so close runaway!
(Score: 2) by Arik on Thursday October 17 2019, @05:48AM
But he also increased drone strikes, which was not good. Not good at all.
I really don't think it's fair to judge policies in such a simplistic way. Increasing deployments doesn't sound good - but if we had all the context, it might not be all that bad. It might be that increasing deployments in the short term is part of a decent plan to reduce involvement of all sorts long term.
Of course the road to hell is paved with just such long term intentions. Or has been, historically, in many cases at least.
If laughter is the best medicine, who are the best doctors?
(Score: 2) by Bot on Thursday November 07 2019, @09:29AM
I don't expect Trump to be a great pacifist but the stats about the end of Obama term are not sufficient to judge. Trump might end his term sending everybody home just out of spite for the next administration, so what?
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