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"The US House of Representatives has passed a resolution to formally proceed with the impeachment inquiry against President Donald Trump.
The measure details how the inquiry will move into a more public phase. It was not a vote on whether the president should be removed from office.
This was the first test of support in the Democratic-controlled House for the impeachment process.
The White House condemned the vote, which passed along party lines.
Only two Democrats - representing districts that Mr Trump won handily in 2016 - voted against the resolution, along with all Republicans, for a total count of 232 in favour and 196 against."
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Trump Impeachment: House Votes to Formalise Inquiry
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(Score: 0, Touché) by Anonymous Coward on Friday November 01 2019, @07:02PM (18 children)
How come nobody wants to look at the also criminal Democrats?
Bill Clinton signed the repeal of Glass-Steagall. I think that is up there or worse than anything that Trump has done.
See: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glass%E2%80%93Steagall_Act [wikipedia.org]
(Score: 4, Touché) by All Your Lawn Are Belong To Us on Friday November 01 2019, @07:44PM (8 children)
Because this is not whataboutism.
Next.
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(Score: 2) by slinches on Friday November 01 2019, @08:06PM (7 children)
What a convenient way to dismiss your hypocrisy.
(Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Friday November 01 2019, @10:25PM (6 children)
Because Bill Clinton has no bearing on the topic at hand. You are just searching for some way to say "well you're protecting YOUR side when it is blatantly corrupt tooooo!"
Which is absolute horse shit. Democrats have gotten in trouble and resigned over improprieties, Republicans do not and continue to support criminals and pedos. Even "saint Obama" is criticized regularly by liberals for his mistakes and broken promises.
The fuck is wrong with you conservatives? Just don't have the fortitude of character to admit when you're wrong and stick to basic morality and ethics? The. Fuck?
(Score: 2) by slinches on Friday November 01 2019, @11:24PM (4 children)
When/if the investigation is complete and the articles of impeachment are sent to the Senate, I will evaluate the merits of the case then. The investigation is still ongoing and we have only the parts of the evidence that were leaked from closed door sessions and what the White House has said publicly. It's quite possible that new evidence may be revealed that conflicts with what we have seen so far, favorable and unfavorable.
I just hate the term "whataboutism". It's all too often used to deflect criticisms of hypocrisy or analogous situations that are relevant to the discussion.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday November 02 2019, @11:22PM
Except you're already crying about the impeachment inquiry and crying foul. Try again.
Hint: pay attention to Trump's lies and the publicly available evidence of his crimes. If you don't already understand he needs to go then I doubt you ever will, and "When/if the investigation is complete and the articles of impeachment are sent to the Senate, I will evaluate the merits of the case then" just seems like a way to escape admitting that you are defending a criminal POtuS.
What will you do if the investigation is damning but McConnell decides to sink the whole thing? Do you declare victory even with obviously corrupt bullshit going on? Do you have any shred of dignity and decency as an American? Or would you rather create a conservative dictatorship just so you can "win"?
(Score: 2) by All Your Lawn Are Belong To Us on Monday November 04 2019, @08:23PM (2 children)
Bill Clinton and Glass-Stegall has NOTHING to do with Trump and Ukraine. NOTHING.
It's whataboutism.
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(Score: 2) by slinches on Monday November 04 2019, @11:31PM (1 child)
The way to deal with off topic lines of conversation is to state that they are off topic and move on. So, calling out "whataboutism" isn't necessary and makes available a tool to dismiss valid parallel lines of inquiry.
(Score: 2) by All Your Lawn Are Belong To Us on Tuesday November 05 2019, @11:07PM
Yes. I am intentionally attempting to dismiss it as not relevant to the subject at hand. It is more than off topic to me for it reads as an attempt to distract focus away from the very real problems at hand concerning the impeachment by introducing an irrelevancy to the topic at hand. And done so in a thread that is already swollen with commentary.
That does not mean your point is not valid or should not be raised in another forum at another point in time. But until it is relevant it is trying to name the sins of the Democrats instead of the conduct of the Presidency. Thus you are asking, "well, what about this thing here?" I thus still fail to see how this is not a textbook definition of whataboutism and thus my criticism and dismissal is more than valid, it is apporpriate.
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(Score: 2) by hemocyanin on Saturday November 02 2019, @06:43AM
Any real investigation of DC, would see the whole place walled off and the gate key thrown away.
You know the worst part about impeaching Trump (and Pence) -- you get Democrats. It's like extricating yourself from a cesspool to land in a sewer.
(Score: 2) by SpockLogic on Friday November 01 2019, @07:48PM (2 children)
Bravo.
Nice bit of Whataboutism to deflect from the current unrepentant Adulterer in Chief's crimes.
Don't forget to invoice the RNC for your effort.
Overreacting is one thing, sticking your head up your ass hoping the problem goes away is another - edIII
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday November 02 2019, @06:46AM (1 child)
Shouting "whataboutism" -- the ultimate dodge. It's cheap, transparent, and it doesn't make your shit not stink.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday November 03 2019, @05:22PM
Using whataboutism, lame cheap and shows you know you're wrong so you need to use distractions of reality.
(Score: 2) by sjames on Friday November 01 2019, @10:13PM
Bill's been out of office for some time now. It's a bit late for impeachment now.
The repeal of Glass-Steagall was a giant bi-partisan blunder, but unfortunately not a crime.
(Score: 2) by bussdriver on Friday November 01 2019, @10:29PM
You can't place that all onto Clinton because the disgraceful repeal of Glass-Steagall passed with like 90% support! VETO PROOF MAJORITY, not even just barely it was way over what was needed. At that point Clinton's support was completely irrelevant; furthermore, it was at the end of his term and he had huge $ debts...
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday November 02 2019, @02:35AM
And 535 members of Congress *passed* that bill with broad *bipartisan* support.
https://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=106&session=1&vote=00354&TB_iframe=true&width=720&height=540 [senate.gov]
http://clerk.house.gov/evs/1999/roll570.xml [house.gov]
Although, I'd point out that signing a bill passed by both houses of Congress is hardly criminal, regardless of the contents of such a bill.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday November 02 2019, @02:35AM
And 535 members of Congress *passed* that bill with broad *bipartisan* support.
https://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=106&session=1&vote=00354&TB_iframe=true&width=720&height=540 [senate.gov]
http://clerk.house.gov/evs/1999/roll570.xml [house.gov]
Although, I'd point out that signing a bill passed by both houses of Congress is hardly criminal, regardless of the contents of such a bill.
(Score: 2) by Joe Desertrat on Saturday November 02 2019, @11:25PM
Clinton signed it, but it was passed by both the House and Senate, both with Republican majorities. If the Democrats had control of either chamber of congress, the repeal would never have passed. Since the day it originally became law the Republicans have railed against it and worked to repeal it. It was a pet dream of Representative Jack Kemp, who first began serious efforts to repeal it in the 80's. That most Republican voters blame Democrats for the repeal of Glass-Steagall is the perfect example of the effectiveness of the conservative propaganda machine at work. Four legs good, two legs better and all that...
(Score: 2) by barbara hudson on Saturday November 09 2019, @10:49PM
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