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"The US House of Representatives has passed a resolution to formally proceed with the impeachment inquiry against President Donald Trump.
The measure details how the inquiry will move into a more public phase. It was not a vote on whether the president should be removed from office.
This was the first test of support in the Democratic-controlled House for the impeachment process.
The White House condemned the vote, which passed along party lines.
Only two Democrats - representing districts that Mr Trump won handily in 2016 - voted against the resolution, along with all Republicans, for a total count of 232 in favour and 196 against."
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Trump Impeachment: House Votes to Formalise Inquiry
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Is that really YOU that is reading this?
(Score: 5, Informative) by sjames on Friday November 01 2019, @07:12PM (7 children)
Sorry, no. Republicans who were actual members of the relevant committee protested their lack of access. That's just a farce.
The house is currently following established procedure. Effectively, the committee deliberations were discussions within the DAs office. Now it goes to a more or less grand jury process.
Do you believe that every DA's office should be televised?
(Score: 3, Insightful) by fustakrakich on Friday November 01 2019, @09:07PM (6 children)
This is an impeachment, not a criminal case.
No, we should not tolerate secrecy. "Established procedure" be damned. The public has interest in the entire matter.
Do you believe that every DA's office should be televised?
There is enough history of corruption and prosecutorial misconduct in those offices that we should definitely consider it. We need much more oversight and to put these people under the Sword of Damocles.
Put all the partisan bullshit on it you want. If the roles were reversed, I would be with the vast majority and modded up to infinity. We must demand transparency.
La politica e i criminali sono la stessa cosa..
(Score: 2) by Pslytely Psycho on Sunday November 03 2019, @12:10AM
Well, then you can blame the Republicans in the last congress. They passed the rules that are currently being followed. For some insight here is an interview with the one person who has been present in all three modern impeachments.
https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2019/11/2/20941954/rep-zoe-lofgren-impeachment-trump-ukraine-house-pelosi [vox.com]
The GOP is just pissed their member got to be the first to test the new rules. Plus they have been part and parcel to the proceeding since the beginning. Including many in their smokescreen fake protest who could just walk through the doors as they had access all along. I say fake protest because they are protesting the Democrats following the procedures they put in place to make sure they could fuck with a D president. Just like the Dems voting in favor of using the nuclear option so long ago, it came back to bite them in the ass, hard. Because eventually the other side always gets to play on the playground. They write rules to give themselves more power, then shit themselves when the other team gets a chance at bat.
Perhaps the GOP should not of run a known grifter as a candidate?
Anyway, this is an investigation. Investigations are not done publicly anyway. It is NOT a trial, that is the Senates job.
Alex Jones lawyer inspires new TV series: CSI Moron Division.
(Score: 2) by sjames on Sunday November 03 2019, @10:24PM (2 children)
The prosecutorial conduct generally shines through during the trial. The problem isn't lack of transparency, it's lack of consequences for the prosecutors when they misbehave.
(Score: 1) by fustakrakich on Monday November 04 2019, @12:11AM (1 child)
Those lack of consequences are made possible by the lack of transparency. There is no reason to cut them this kind of slack. Private citizens are entitled to privacy. Those in authority are not.
La politica e i criminali sono la stessa cosa..
(Score: 2) by sjames on Monday November 04 2019, @12:21AM
If there was no transparency, we wouldn't know about the misconduct. We DO know, but nothing happens.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday November 04 2019, @07:49PM
You know, you're right.
So, we should still do what was done in the past: The Department of Justice should appoint a Special Investigator in the Ukraine matter who has the full credence and might of the Executive department and reports to the Legislature with all due haste and extreme care for determination of the law and the truth whether or not the President has now engaged in any activities whatsoever which benefit him personally at the expense of the Nation's security for political purposes and that person would be allowed by the Attorney General of these United States to fully determine whether or not offenses were in fact committed that the House might then vote for impeachment on and I'm sure that it will all be at arm's length and that there would be no attempts by President Trump or AG Barr to sway this investigation or obstruct it or allow our Law Enforcement to fully..............
OK, can't do it anymore. Laughing too hard.
Put all the "Oh it should be sunshine and light" spin on it you want. The President is corrupt and the way he operates there is no way that the Executive can be trusted with the investigation aspect of the case. Mueller proved that.
And, by the way, you're about to get all the openness, light, and publicity you want. Fuck any notion of "too late." It will prove JUST how dirty this President is, and hopefully in a way that the entire Republican establishment will be shown to be corrupt in a way that they NEVER retain power again and and that party will dissolve to others who understand the difference between working for politics and working for the nation's interest when it comes to foreign relations. Because Trump and his ENTIRE asshole staff of sycophantic yes people from the AG to SecState to his ass licking Chief of Staff does NOT know how to do this.
Now let me tell you what I really think about your comment......
But seriously, that half of the country is taken in by this purest grade bullshit is the worst fear I have at showing America may well be entering the twilight of an empiric fall. Or that the Presidency is finished and must become an Emperor or King in order to hold the country together. Hope not. But Trump is sure as shit acting that way, ain't he?????
(Score: 2) by barbara hudson on Saturday November 09 2019, @10:10PM
The republicans are making arguments based on the idea that the people are dumb as shit and will swallow whatever they feed them. And as far as their base is concerned , it skews strongly to the lesser educated - the "white trash" who are afraid they will be just another minority in 2024 so this is their last shot.
Their problem isn't their base - their base will do what they're told. The problem is independents. Clinton was too much to swallow so they either stayed home, voted 3rd party, or voted for their local republican candidate. The only way for republicans to win is for Clinton to run again. That the old guard Democrats are pushing this shit yet again shows just how much influence money has on both sides.
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