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"The US House of Representatives has passed a resolution to formally proceed with the impeachment inquiry against President Donald Trump.
The measure details how the inquiry will move into a more public phase. It was not a vote on whether the president should be removed from office.
This was the first test of support in the Democratic-controlled House for the impeachment process.
The White House condemned the vote, which passed along party lines.
Only two Democrats - representing districts that Mr Trump won handily in 2016 - voted against the resolution, along with all Republicans, for a total count of 232 in favour and 196 against."
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(Score: 5, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Friday November 01 2019, @02:54PM (19 children)
The house can impeach for whatever it wants as long as they can achieve a simple majority going for it. It's not like there's some magical standard or law necessary. They ask each [democrat] to raise their hands. They do so. Boom, impeached. It's not like either side really cares about the evidence. And similarly the exact same thing will happen in the senate. Except there democrats do not have a majority, let alone the supermajority required. So he will then be "acquitted". This is like 24/7 news in the left leaning media, yet literally 0 nothing will happen.
As we become an ever more divided nation I expect impeachment to just become another overused tool that was, at one time, something used only in extreme cases. Seriously in about 200 years of our nation, we managed to have one impeached president. Now we're looking at 3 of the last 9 presidents ending up impeached. It's going to become exactly like the filibuster which is now so normalized that a supermajority (to override the filibuster) is an unspoken rule for even bothering to debate a bill. Kind of peculiarly this will effectively create a parliamentary system such that it will become impossible to have a president of a different party than the house+senate, at least so long as the other party has a supermajority in the senate (so that impeachment can actually do something).
For some source on these statements. Bill Clinton was impeached for lying under oath. He 100% undeniably and unambiguously did this. And perjury is a criminal felony. Exactly 0 democrats in the senate chose to convict him of perjury. The whole impeachment thing is just a partisan circus.
(Score: 5, Insightful) by LVDOVICVS on Friday November 01 2019, @05:11PM (12 children)
Bill Clinton did lie under oath for something he never should have been asked about. Being held to account for this was appropriate. In my opinion the outcome was commensurate with the crime.
Trump appears to be running an extortion racket that endangers national security. Being held to account for this would hardly seem to be a "partisan circus" considering the far more serious implications. He should be jailed in my opinion.
(Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Friday November 01 2019, @06:05PM (6 children)
Do you mean Ukraine?
Seriously, you call it "extortion" to tell the Ukraine that the extortion performed by Biden is no longer demanded by the USA?
To recap: Joe Biden's son got paid to be on the board of a Ukraine gas company, despite having no industry experience and no ability to speak the language. Mysterious, eh? When a prosecutor in Ukraine started investigating corruption related to this, Joe Biden threatened to have the USA cut a $billion of foreign aid unless the prosecutor was fired within 6 hours. The prosecutor was indeed fired (asked to resign of course) and strangely Joe Biden even had the nerve to brag about it on video. Years later, Trump tells the Ukraine that that shit is over, and of course the USA would appreciate investigation of corruption.
WTF. Trump is doing his job. He is supposed to fight corruption like what Joe Biden and Hunter Biden did. The federal prosecutors work for Trump, and may need to be reminded to do their damn jobs. The ultimate person for diplomacy, including asking foreign nations for law enforcement assistance, is Trump. It is a duty for Trump to insist on the investigation into the Biden family, even if the political appearance is bad.
(Score: 1, Touché) by Anonymous Coward on Friday November 01 2019, @06:29PM
Replace Biden's son with Jr., Eric and Ivanka?
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday November 01 2019, @07:06PM (1 child)
You know that facts are available? You don't have to make up lies like Trump does.
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/10/29/business/media/fact-check-biden-ukraine-burisma-china-hunter.html [nytimes.com]
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday November 02 2019, @06:52AM
How about citing a reliable non-biased source, you know, like one that didn't push lies to start a war in Iraq, one that isn't a mouthpiece for shitstains like HRC and other murderous cunts and dicks.
(Score: 3, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Friday November 01 2019, @08:46PM (2 children)
And just in case you might not like the NY Times (since you are defending Trump):
Associated Press [apnews.com], which noted the controversy but also states the current prosecutor finds no reason to take action.
Bloomberg [bloomberg.com].
Reuters. [reuters.com]
Forbes. [forbes.com] Business Insider [businessinsider.com], if you don't like Forbes.
BBC. [bbc.com]
Deutsche Welle. [dw.com] and again [dw.com], although you might well feel Germany a little biased.
Now, to the meat of what you said that's flatly wrong:
Extortion on Biden's part is questionable. Biden was carrying out U.S. policy backed not just by the executive but also by State and all other relevant government agencies. It was all done quite publicly in the public view - you can find many contemporaneous news articles stating that the U.S. was going to call for exactly that and that the move was supported internationally. It's not like it was a phone call that was suddenly classified and placed into systems intended for national security matters. Also policy which was widely agreed upon by the International Monetary Fund, and European community (EBRD and EU) as well. Nobody unbiased has questioned that the Ukraine was (and still may be) suffering from corruption.
Where to begin... Mysterious, no. Burisma was clearly looking for a tie-in which might help them. That is not illegal. It's not nepotism like, say, employing your children as chief advisers in your administration. It's pretty much a given that children of Presidents (and similar officials) can do very well for themselves wherever they are. What is your evidence that the position was actually used corruptly?
Wrong. It was $1 billion in loan guarantees. That may seem like foreign aid to you, but it is quite different from funds that were appropriated and approved by Congress to be directly given to the country in question. Funds that the Executive Branch did not have discretion or choice as to whether they would be disbursed (what Trump ended up doing, and doing in a highly irregular method when the officials charged with that authority questioned the ability for the Executive to hold up the disbursement of those funds).
Wrong again. Prosecutor Shokin actually inherited the investigation into Burisma's founder Zlochevsky, did nothing with it, and if you read Shokin's Wikipedia article [wikipedia.org], you'll see that the May allegations that he was investigating Burisma actively were debunked back in May - that investigation did not have activity during Shokin's time.
Wrong again again. The claims about Burisma were settled in 2017, by a different prosecution.
Wrong again again again again. Trump did not request, "investigation of corruption." He specifically requested investigation into what are known to be dead and debunked issues: Cloudflare, and specifically named his chief political rival for the next election. He asked this in the the context of a "favor" (a quid, if you will) in the context of having Congressionally approved military aid (a quo, if you will) and immediately after the Ukraine President stated he wanted to purchase U.S. Military armaments (another quo). That's quite different from what occurred previously, that discretionary aid was used as a bargaining chip in order to remove a prosecutor who was not doing his job effectively.
Now, shall we consider that Trump's method in doing so was to employ a personal lawyer who had no Congressionally-approved portfolio nor as an employee of the State Department, and seems to have established a shadow foreign policy apparatus for which the President then made the actual approved department (both AG and State) cooperate with? An unapproved invididual who now has two known associates under arrest for campaign finance law violations? No, I don't think we'll go there because that certainly does not help Trump.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday November 02 2019, @06:55AM (1 child)
Cokehead son of VP with no experience or qualifications gets a job for somewhere between 50k and 180k per month, depending on reports. Take the low number for argument's sake. There is no amount of words that makes that not on its face, corrupt.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday November 05 2019, @07:12PM
If you'd like to take that angle then you'd better be prepared to pay every public figure enough to support their children for life, because any job ever given to any politicians child might then be "corruption."
And even if "corrupt", not illegal. There was no crime present. And even if there was one the Republicans and the Ukraine government still have been unable to prove anything. Unsurprising because this is a dead and debunked issue.
Trump wasn't trying to get the dead horse beat so that justice would be served. Trump was trying to get a pot stirred up against his chief political rival and using the tools of statecraft entrusted to him for the sake of the nation's security to play his partisan political games. Or, if you like, he was seeking information to help him change the course of the 2020 election and not because he decided to wear his Superman Underoos that day. That's not just corrupt. That's illegal.
See the difference?
(Score: 1, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Friday November 01 2019, @07:08PM (1 child)
Then Bill Clinton should have exercised his fifth amendment right: "nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself"
Note that while national attention was on sexual matters, Bill Clinton signed the repeal of Glass-Steagall - a very big "crime" in itself.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday November 02 2019, @07:10AM
Wouldn't have worked. The Fifth Amendment does not apply to impeachment because it's not a criminal process. It's a political process that removes him from office, and there is no double jeopardy if they then charge him with crimes.
"Judgment in Cases of Impeachment shall not extend further than to removal from Office, and disqualification to hold and enjoy any Office of honor, Trust or Profit under the United States; but the Party convicted shall nevertheless be liable and subject to Indictment, Trial, Judgment and Punishment, according to Law. "
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday November 01 2019, @10:02PM (2 children)
Key word "appears" because that's how it has been spread out by the media (or some portion of the media) support a narrative.
Whether it's true or not, less than a handful of people will really ever know. Where you in a meeting with Trump when questionable things went down? No. Neither was I.
Presuming we the peons have all the facts in front of our eyes is ludicrous.
It will play out in spite of the facts. You should be suspicious of the the outcome no matter which way it goes.
(Score: 1, Touché) by Anonymous Coward on Friday November 01 2019, @10:40PM
And you should be ashamed for being such a credulous idiot.
(Score: 2) by All Your Lawn Are Belong To Us on Monday November 04 2019, @08:35PM
1) Donald J. Trump released a Call Memo. Said call memo, combined with the military aid holdup, all by itself proves what Whistleblower has alleged. Trump gave us the rope.
2) The people who were listening in on that call are now testifying about what exactly was said, going beyond the call memo into things not there. If there are witnesses who will say things like "Burisma wasn't actually named", the President will indeed have the opportunity to bring such witnesses forward.
3) The people who surround the time of this call are testifying. The President said, "this ain't a quid pro quo," when all the true experts very much acknowledge this was indeed a quid pro quo and it can't be spun differently.
4) Nobody is stupid enough to not know the Bidens are Trump's chief political opponent. This was political persecution of Republican versus Democrat using foreign relations to attempt to gain political (and NOT National Security) intelligence.
These are all Facts, at this point. No Republican, from Trump through the Senate through the House are disputing the facts because they are indisputable. Instead they rely on distractions to try and keep their faithful in line.
We will indeed know the truth in this matter. There are too many people to testify, and such testimony is now becoming open. While the Trump administration tries it's best to do damage control on a plainly visible plane crash.
You do not have to be suspicious when both the prosecution has alleged and the defense has confirmed all the truly meaingful facts. You can only try to distract and mislead.
This sig for rent.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday November 01 2019, @05:16PM
The truth comes out, they impeached Clinton because their plan was to commit crimes in the future and use the Clinton impeachment as some sort of "gotcha" like if he wasn't jailed for it than their guy shouldn't face consequences either.
What morally corrupt assholes the GOP has become.
(Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Friday November 01 2019, @06:05PM (1 child)
Ever action has impacts. Even if Trump is not removed from office, impeaching and not-impeaching sends and is itself impactful.
Imagine you have a child, and she shoplifts a pack of gum. You see it. Obviously you aren't going to call the police on your own child. However, if you do nothing, do you think the kid is going to stop on her own, or do you think she's going to steal another stick of gum? Maybe a bag of chips next time, or that new pokemon game which you aren't willing to buy her.
People always test limits and push harder. Even if the Republicans aren't willing to remove from office (which, assuming the allegations are true, would be shameful), the symbolic effect of impeaching is better than the symbolic effect of not-impeaching.
That is, unless you prefer a "the president is elected dictator for 4 years; he can only be removed during an election year or assassination" style system. I feel horrible for having to say it, but I do not prefer that system... and I'd hope everybody else here could agree with that.
(Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Friday November 01 2019, @06:57PM
The president is not a dictator. His power is heavily constrained by our system of checks and balances, as has been regularly shown. Nonetheless I do agree that executive power has become too centralized, but the problem there is people are all to gleeful to support expanded governmental power when "their" party is in power - as if that will always be the case. We all need to push for a weaker government at all levels, regardless of our feelings for whom happens to be in power. Power granted is rarely ungranted and, sooner or later, it will be abused.
Similarly, impeachment is not a symbolic slap on the wrist for corrective behavior. It's in the constitution for a reason. In times past when leaders fell out of the support with their nation, the frequent conclusion was assassination or forced abdication such as through kidnapping. Impeachment is basically the nuclear weapon that ought be used in cases where you otherwise would have widespread support and thus justification for extreme action. None of this stuff comes anywhere near that standard. By contrast compare Nixon's impeachment. He hired people to literally break into opposition hotel rooms, bug them, and then tried to engage in a mass cover-up all of this being funded using a slush fund connected to his election coffers.
That's no longer a partisan issue. And indeed even though the democrats did not have anywhere near enough people to convict in the senate, Nixon resigned knowing full well he would be convicted. Because again, it wasn't a partisan issue. Here? A president asking another leader to investigate high level corruption... is corruption? It's literally something out of a Saul Alinsky playbook: "Accuse your opponent of what only you are doing, as you are doing it, to create confusion, cloud the issue, and inoculate voters against any evidence of your guilt." Biden did engage, quite overtly and openly, in a quid quo pro in Ukraine. And so the DNC immediately took this and claimed that's exactly what Trump was doing. And indeed it does create confusion and cloud the issue, but I'm not sure it's really a wise longterm political strategy. You obviously have no reason to believe me and I probably wouldn't believe myself, but I was a lifelong 'democrat' (never identified as such but did vote for e.g. Obama). But these sort of actions, alongside the party's general 'ideological migration' has pushed me in quite the opposite direction. It's not like another party won me over, but rather that these tactics pushed me away - and they will probably account for another orange man vote in 2020. Dirty tactics get you short-term victories and long-term defeats.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday November 01 2019, @06:18PM
Wonder what the result would be if the vote in the Senate were a secret ballot?
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday November 02 2019, @02:57AM (1 child)
perjury is a crime in a criminal case. certainly lying to Congress by not-the-President can incur jail time (just ask Oliver North), the President is a bit of a special case, but for that Congress makes the charges and the Dept of Justice prosecutes the case in Federal Court.
let's stop trying to conflate the impeachment process with anything else.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday November 04 2019, @08:40PM
No. Mueller has said exactly the opposite: The President's special case is that he cannot be indicted while sitting in office for obstruction. Same applies in Perjury (EXCEPT that herein there has been no judiciary claim on Donald Trump personally for Trump to perjure for). This isn't perjury, it's an FEC violation coupled with Conduct Unbecoming, maybe. This is what impeachment is for: It is the indictment that the Executive cannot seek and the Judiciary cannot try (except as the Chief Justice sites as the Presiding Official of a Senate trial.) And it is important to pursue it now because the President is doing damage to the Nation with his conduct. We cannot wait until he is no longer in office.
That's the gist, anyway, AC.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday November 01 2019, @02:55PM
now that the "spotlight" has been turned up and focused let's don some anti-glare shades and look where the light is not shinning...
"look over there john! a flying crocodile!"
(Score: 1, Insightful) by bzipitidoo on Friday November 01 2019, @02:56PM (44 children)
Impeached?
Yes: Convicted?
Yes: Pence becomes President
No: Re-Elected?
Yes: America collapses
No: Refuses to leave office, claiming massive election fraud?
Yes: Civil War
No: Elizabeth Warren or Bernie Sanders becomes President
No: goto Re-Elected
Lots of other possibilities. Like, could Pence also be impeached, in which case Nancy Pelosi becomes President? A massive blue wave in 2020 could hand the Senate and the Presidency to the Democrats. As for the grimmest possibility, Trump is not removed and wins re-election, there are several scary possibilities, ranging from Trump starts a nuclear war and wipes out civilization, to merely being impeached again perhaps even in the period after the election and before his 2nd term starts.
As for Pence becoming President, what's with Indiana anyway? First they give us Quayle, and now Pence. Makes me wonder if what Buttigieg really is, is Indiana's apology.
(Score: 5, Funny) by The Mighty Buzzard on Friday November 01 2019, @03:06PM (21 children)
Damn. I knew I should have put a -1 Goto mod in last site update.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday November 01 2019, @03:26PM
Should have used "-1 harmful" [acm.org] as it's synonymous.
/me ducks
(Score: 5, Insightful) by bzipitidoo on Friday November 01 2019, @04:12PM (19 children)
Buzzy, good conservatives have a lot to answer for. Believe it or not, I was once a Republican. I believed in balancing the budget. Still like the idea, actually. I am a fiscal conservative.
But the Republican Party today, good God, what the f*** happened? Where were all the fiscal conservatives when the War in Iraq over Weapons of Mass Destruction was being rammed through? While I would expect life to be the primary concern, especially of the party that claims to be Pro-Life, I hoped that at the least fiscal conservatives would raise concerns over the costs. But I have not heard of a single one who protested that that war would be very, budget bustingly costly. Closest I heard were murmurs that concerns over costs could not stand in the way of a clear and present danger. And then to learn that there never were any Weapons of Mass Destruction! And that the Bush administration knew that, before they made the call to go to war! George H. W. Bush was right, his son was badly served by those neocons, Cheney, Rumsfeld, and Wolfowitz.
Now the Republicans routinely spit on facts and science, to please the stupidest of the voters. Over the years, they've become more open and brazen about it, and have moved even further, pandering to racists, misogynists, and religious fundamentalists and evangelists. What the Hell is the business wing of the party thinking? To think that the Party of Lincoln should have sunk to this.
I'm not wild about Democrats, particularly so called centrist, Blue Dog ones, fiscally conservative though they profess to be. But damn, what are the options? Give us a viable 3rd party, please!
Oh, I forgot to mention another gift from Indiana: Mourdock. So extreme, he lost to a Democrat.
(Score: 2, Informative) by fustakrakich on Friday November 01 2019, @05:04PM
Don't ask for a "third" party [independent], just vote for it. It's very easy for each individual to do so, if they don't let the grade school peer pressure fuck up their judgement.
As far as the war, it's costly for some, very profitable for others. Like everything else, cui bono. You will find it's not political. The dems only put up a facade of resistance, and not even that against the Afghanistan war.
It is these things and mass media propaganda that make people feel there is no choice. But the choice has always been there. They can vote for the same old shit, or against it. That is their choice, regardless of the chance of winning.
La politica e i criminali sono la stessa cosa..
(Score: 3, Insightful) by JoeMerchant on Friday November 01 2019, @05:22PM (1 child)
Then bring back Slick Willie (and the .com boom). Pretty shocking how easily the budget balances itself with a little loosening of the purse strings among the wealthy - no changes in the law or tax structure required.
Україна досі не є частиною Росії Слава Україні🌻 https://news.stanford.edu/2023/02/17/will-russia-ukraine-war-end
(Score: 2, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Friday November 01 2019, @07:14PM
dotcom boom was caused by government giving money to telecoms to build out infrastructure (see telecom act of 1996)
dotcom bust was caused by telecoms keeping the money and not living up to the agreements to build out the infrastructure
Just another (pick a political party) dirty trick on the public
(Score: 3, Interesting) by bussdriver on Friday November 01 2019, @05:54PM
WHAT HAPPENED to the republican party is that it is ONLY a brand name. To a lesser degree the democrats also became a brand name. They hire marketing companies to sell the brand like it was soap. Post WW2 probably was the biggest shift. The GOP was bought out long long ago but today you can see it's marketing company, FOX NEWS has bought out the brand completely. The propaganda dept has taken over the party - it's not a healthy typical political party anymore (lets just assume "healthy" means normal.... and not get into the oxymoron.) Propaganda was always an essential component but it has been too refined and too powerful; in this case, it became too centralized and completely hijacked the brand. They promote tribalism and brand loyalty. Actually, I know some Military propagandists who retired and got jobs as consultants for FOX. Their jobs were demonizing the enemy and getting our soldiers to kill people effectively. Sound familiar??
I was never a republican. I rarely even say I'm democrat. I never identified with either tribe. I am personally so frugal people sometimes call me cheap. I'm for many government programs/services because it's a democracy and government is non-profit so if we can collectively provide something of better value for the most people I'm all for it. To use Smith's argument for capitalism, it benefits the most people so therefore it's the best choice. Well, if something else does better, then I'm all for it using the same reasoning... and that means that capitalism is the best solution but not absolutely all the time. The best solutions are often not ones you feel completely happy with. Also, aiming for perfection is inherently evil; thats another topic...
The government corruption overhead CAN be lower than the private profit margins and the quality can also beat the market's greed; NOT all the time. There are limits to how much a democracy can handle competently. The debate should be (but never is) about can we make X work better or is it beyond our collective competence to self govern and just leave it to the market chaos... and then it's about how to reign in the anarchy effectively (except for the libertards who are anarchists in disguise.) We end up talking about government as a alien entity and promoting it as NOT being a collective representation... it doesn't feel good to hate your own country so people instead hate their own messenger and instrument. That should be directed at dysfunction and improving representation but it is not (well, the democrats tend to encourage this but it is partially disingenuous because higher turn out helps them.)
check out politicalcompass.org and educate others.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday November 01 2019, @06:56PM
So you don't like fighting in Iraq. OK, but that was bipartisan. Hillary Clinton voted for it. You may remember that she was controlling the democrat party, even forcing them to choose herself to be the 2016 candidate.
Meanwhile, we have Trump withdrawing troops from Syria and tearing down unfriendly structures on the Korean border. You should like the guy.
Racist: Joe Biden, who rudely noted that Obama was the first well-spoken articulate black candidate.
Misogynist: Nobody hates women. The closest is probably a woman herself, the one in congress who had her clitoris removed in childhood.
Religious fundamentalist: Don't ignore Islam. Democrats have been enabling it, and it will make you wish you were dominated by mere Christianity.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday November 01 2019, @09:33PM
The Clinton impeachment happened.
In the 80s and mid-90s the Republican party was a party of principles and ideas. Remember the "Contract with America?" Today's Republicans could never come up with something like that. The Democrats have the "Green New Deal," which is kind of similar, except it's full of bad ideas instead of good ones.
Once the Clinton impeachment happened, Republicans decided to be the party of obstructionism. The only thing they care about now is stopping the Democrats from accomplishing anything, and getting anti-abortion judges into the courts. 9/11 and the Iraq war gave them a temporary reprieve, in the form of at least looking like they're doing something important, but what we're seeing today is pretty much what a party dedicated to power and nothing else looks like.
Trump himself, of course, could not have existed prior to the 2010s. I mean, the man existed, but his particular brand of politics wouldn't have worked before then.
(Score: 3, Insightful) by Thexalon on Friday November 01 2019, @10:10PM (1 child)
The Republican Party has never been the party of fiscal responsibility in my lifetime. Seriously, just look at the budget deficits, and you'll see every Republican since 1980 ramming through massive deficits with both unwarranted tax cuts and spending boosts on stuff we don't need. The last truly fiscally responsible Republican was Dwight Eisenhower, and even he thought the US was spending too much.
They're doing that on purpose. The strategy that's been in place since 1980 was developed by Grover Norquist (a man who has never been elected to anything, I might point out) is to cut taxes until the budget has scary-looking deficits, then use the scary-looking deficits to convince a Democratic president that the Only Possible Solution (tm) is to gut Social Security. Both Bill Clinton and Barack Obama came close to falling for it too.
One reason I know they're doing it on purpose is that I walked up to one of my senators (the now-deceased George Voinovich), who always billed himself a moderate fiscal conservative Republican type, and asked him how he reconciled his fiscal conservatism with voting for the Bush tax cuts. He didn't give me a straight answer.
The only thing that stops a bad guy with a compiler is a good guy with a compiler.
(Score: 2) by bzipitidoo on Friday November 01 2019, @11:19PM
Don't forget, that all along the cries for cutting the budget were really dog whistles, coded messages. They were never sincere about fiscal responsibility. What they really wanted was to discriminate, and all the talk about fiscal responsibility was just cover for that goal. Cutting some program for the poor always hurts disadvantaged minorities more. That was the part I didn't figure out until after the Clinton years.
(Score: 2) by Azuma Hazuki on Saturday November 02 2019, @02:10AM (7 children)
Ike was the last good Republican. Anyone voting R after that was deficient in conscience, morals, intelligence, or some combination of the three. And not surprisingly, not long after that the Southern Strategy happened...
I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...
(Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Sunday November 03 2019, @11:46AM (6 children)
Eh, it's easier to say what folks voting D after JFK were deficient in, the only possibility is between their ears.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 2) by Azuma Hazuki on Sunday November 03 2019, @03:29PM (5 children)
Not after Kennedy. After Clinton's first term, certainly.
I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...
(Score: 3, Insightful) by The Mighty Buzzard on Sunday November 03 2019, @08:13PM (4 children)
No, after Kennedy. Carter was a great guy but a lousy President.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 2) by All Your Lawn Are Belong To Us on Monday November 04 2019, @08:44PM (3 children)
Even a decent Governor from what I've gathered. But, like all Presidents, gets hampered by the past and has limits as to what can be done in the future.
Maybe the President we deserved but not the one we needed then.... I just hope that we don't know have the one we deserve and didn't need now.
This sig for rent.
(Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Monday November 04 2019, @08:55PM (2 children)
Don't sweat it too hard. There's not much seriously crazy shit he could get through a Republican Congress and he doesn't even have that anymore. Besides, we could very well end up with another Only Nixon Could Go To China situation. Nobody's shitty at everything and we have means in place to mitigate the bits they are shitty at.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 2) by All Your Lawn Are Belong To Us on Tuesday November 05 2019, @11:31PM (1 child)
Nice point, thanks.
This sig for rent.
(Score: 3, Interesting) by The Mighty Buzzard on Thursday November 07 2019, @10:21PM
The way things are right now - one party controlling the House, the other controlling the Senate, and a President whose own party doesn't like him much - is honestly about my ideal governmental split. It's the least likely formation to pass insano bullshit because of the moderating effect of all the hurdles that have to be jumped.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Sunday November 03 2019, @11:41AM (2 children)
Don't mess up a perfectly good coding joke by taking it seriously.
As for the rest, the last Republican President I dig on at this point in my life is Reagan. The Bushes may be distant family but they weren't especially good Republicans by my standards. Trump makes me laugh but the best I can label him is "mostly harmless" on account of not being able to get much of anything through Congress and do much lasting harm.
Mind you, the last Democrat President I dig on is JFK, so they're not faring any better. Carter was probably the best human being we've had in office in ages but he wasn't very good at it and had some fundamentally bad notions in his head.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday November 03 2019, @05:25PM (1 child)
Then you're an evil mother fucker. Reagan was the worst thing to happen to the US. Git edumacated son!
(Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Sunday November 03 2019, @08:16PM
Bitch, please. Ronnie was the best President in the last hundred years. Yes, very specifically including FDR in that comparison.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 2, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Friday November 01 2019, @03:31PM (10 children)
Oh come on. How do people buy into this sensationalism? Don't you recall, America was supposed to collapse when Trump was elected? Conveniently, the NYTimes jammed lots of their doomsday nonsense into single page. [nytimes.com] The markets were going to crash, we were going to enter a great depression literally "never" to recover. And America was generally going to die. Oh also, Trump was Hitler or something.
Lo and behold, he was elected, lots of people spazzed out, the markets did awesome, Hitler is still dead as ever, and life went on pretty much the same as it always does. I expect Trump will probably comfortably win in 2020 and end up with a mostly uneventful presidency, aside from the hyper-partisanship which I expect is probably a new normal rather than anything unique to him. The reason I say this is because impeachment seems to have been good for his numbers. He's now pulling ahead in the polls and, to my knowledge, pollsters have not radically changed how they poll so there is good reason to believe they are likely still under-polling his support. Go figure, there's probably a response bias when somebody calls you on the phone and wants to start asking about your political views. Can't imagine why that might be...
As for the democratic election, the establishment favorite has been Harris all along. Biden is never going to get the nomination because he is as corrupt as he is creepy - viral videos of him groping and sniffing little kids beats Howard Dean's "YAAAAAAAAAEEEAAWWW" by a landslide. He's only alive because the DNC and their media are using him as a strategic whipping boy. And so, because of that, poll numbers right now mean nothing. If most of Biden's support can be directed to Harris then she will indeed become the democratic nominee. And that should be pretty easy. I mean after all she has a vagina and high genetic melanin levels - and those are like the two most important traits for a president. I think DNC pollsters expected Harris' support to be higher from the onset but in a way this makes things even easier. Since she's a distant outsider, there's less media focus on her. And my god with the way the DNC debates are going, the less focus on anybody the better. The NYTimes is rubbish, but they were pretty much completely correct in that the winner of the DNC debates has been Trump. So we will probably see Trump vs Harris. And then everybody will be called sexist and racist once Trump wins because don't you understand!?!? She has a vagina AND high melanin content! How could you not vote for that!?
(Score: 1, Touché) by Anonymous Coward on Friday November 01 2019, @03:52PM (9 children)
The US has been collapsing, have you really paid no attention?
(Score: 2, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Friday November 01 2019, @04:13PM (6 children)
How the fuck is this informative?
"The US is collapsing..."
That's information?
That's OPINION, completely unfounded in any actual EVIDENCE.
In the mean time, the economy's growing, to the point that the fed is actually starting to raise a little interest away from 0. Employment is massive (including especially for the terribly oppressed people with darker skin), and the systems of the democracy are so strong that partisans are sharpening knives for an unprovable sub-percentage point of hypothetical vote finagling (whether by suppression or cheating).
The closest thing to collapse that we have is angry partisans huffing and puffing like Marvin the Martian and talking about obliterating the earth.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday November 01 2019, @04:25PM
They were at that point in 2016 but now they've done multiple cuts this year, repo bailouts [newyorkfed.org] and don't call it QE4 while investments and exports are falling. None of this is Trumps fault but at least pay attention.
(Score: 3, Insightful) by Runaway1956 on Friday November 01 2019, @04:34PM (3 children)
Actually - I think the US may well be on the road to collapse. Consider all the money we borrow from China. Then, consider all the money we give away in various forms of bribes - errrr, I meant "aid". So, we dig ourselves ever deeper into debt, for the purpose of bribing other foreign nations to do what we want them to do. Call it empire, or oligarchy, or whatever, this is a surefire method of bankruptcy. To quote a boss I once worked for, "We do a lot of stupid shit around here."
Abortion is the number one killed of children in the United States.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday November 01 2019, @05:32PM (2 children)
So what if China is buying our debt. They only get paper that says we'll try to pay them interest. They can't repossess the Capitol.
(Score: 2) by c0lo on Saturday November 02 2019, @03:22AM (1 child)
Until they get to the point they see US trade skirmishes are more damaging than a true economic war. At that moment, they trash the US credit rating by selling the debt for cents on the dollar and nobody buys US debt for some good years. You reckon US-as-you-know-it survives such a scenario?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aoFiw2jMy-0
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday November 02 2019, @03:51AM
The US can comfortably ignore the secondary market. If our general state remains strong, why would the Chinese hurt themselves by trying to fire-sale our bonds? If we are weak, we'll have a harder time selling new debt anyway.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday November 01 2019, @05:18PM
Heh, sensitive snowflakes gotta mod bomb to make themselves feel important.
Sorry pal, even RUNAWAY is agreeing. Pay more attention to reality, turn of Fox "news". Facts matter.
(Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Friday November 01 2019, @04:33PM (1 child)
You used to buy a newspaper or turn on the news for a general overview of what's going on in the world. And news agencies made a killing delivering this and little more than this - maybe some funnies on Sunday. Today? That's a worthless product. I can not only see what's going on, for free, but can even get live first-person footage or even chat with folks in the areas where it's happening. Some guy with a journalism degree isn't exactly bringing a whole lot to the table anymore. News agencies started collapsing. That's when they started saying society was collapsing, and are still struggling but are at least for now managing to tread water.
News has become entertainment. Not funny entertainment, but drama entertainment. People in the past would tune into 'soaps' to find out what was going to happen next week. And the stories were always awful, people dying and killing one another, people coming down with awful illnesses, cheating, and all sorts of nastiness. Now the media has tried to turn real life into this. And it's not hard. Especially in politics dirt is pretty much the name of the game. See how the media now present the actors in their stories. Mueller wasn't just some old prosecutor with a good record, he was a hard hitting and hard ass old school prosecutor who wouldn't take shit from anybody and would get to the bottom of any case no matter how big or small.
Something I always say, and continues to ring true, is that this week there's a name you've never heard of in your entire life. By the end of next week it'll be a new hero or villain that you'll be a complete expert on everything about. Of course in reality you won't know anything about him at all. All you'll have is a Hollywood style caricature made with about as much depth as your typical Hollywood film. But nonetheless it'll be enough to draw an attachment to him, be it either because he's your new beloved hero or your new despised villain. The news has chosen to compete with social media by turning themselves into story tellers where drama and relevance is secondary to saying whatever is necessary to get you to click today, and then again tomorrow.
And so no. When I actually judge day to day life as I see it - I see literally 0 evidence of any sort of collapse. It's only when you get drawn into our digital new-age soap operas that everything seems to be collapsing. And I'll admit there's some damn good entertainment there, but I do make an effort to keep it all at arm's length if not only because of seeing what happens to people who get too drawn into the game.
(Score: 2) by Rupert Pupnick on Friday November 01 2019, @05:10PM
News has become entertainment, and this was predicted as far back as 1976 in the Chayefsky/Lumet film "Network". You know the one-- "I'm mad as hell and I'm not going to take this anymore!"
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday November 01 2019, @04:16PM (1 child)
It's going to be funny when everyone votes democrat and refucklicans have to get a job at McDonalds.
Enough of this shit... ReElect that Motherfucker.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday November 01 2019, @06:52PM
They'll never keep jobs a McDonald's when they put what they want on the burger not what you want.
(Score: 2) by DannyB on Friday November 01 2019, @06:06PM (5 children)
My favorite scenario. Trump does what Trump does best. Outrageous Things. But a firehose of so much outrageousness that nobody has a clue how to deal with it in an "orderly" fashion.
Trump pardons himself. Everyone else around him. Incites (or hires) violence against his opponents. Pardons himself and or those who did the deed. Declares a national emergency due to election tampering and stays in office indefinitely. Orders military to shut down congress and blockade the capitol building. (who's going to stop him?) (imagine the split among the "chain of command" crowd and the "unconstitutional orders" crowd) Pardons himself some more.
Executive order that we are not going to pay any more on the national debt. We're going to blockade North Korea. Because. We're going to strike Iran. Because. To prevent further election tampering, voting must be all electronic and controlled by the highest levels of government -- to preserve integrity. Voting equipment contracted to Russian firms declaring loyalty to Trump.
Hand out pardons like Halloween candy to anyone who does anything that benefits Trump. New federal form to apply for such a pardon.
Shut down the courts because they are becoming a nuisance due to their disagreeable nature regarding the actions I've described so far.
Nationalize FoxNews. Shut down all other reporting until their journalists can be registered with a new federal ministry of truth. Publications must be reviewed prior to publication to ensure correctfulness.
Taxes should be zero for anyone making 2 million per year. Tax rates increase proportionately for income levels decreasing below 2 million. Tax rates become increasingly negative for incomes above 2 million.
Everyone should be entitled on Tuesdays to free: 2 Big Macs, 2 Filet-o-fish, 20 chicken mcnuggets and a large shake.
There should be a new national holiday to celebrate and recognize the achievements and greatness of Trump.
Tax returns are a nuisance for government officials and should therefore be abolished for federal officials.
The rules of evidence are made, um . . . more flexible, to, um . . . improve law enforcement efficiency.
Young people won't believe you if you say you used to get Netflix by US Postal Mail.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday November 01 2019, @07:03PM (2 children)
The 82nd stops him. You really believe the military will go along with that BS?
(Score: 2) by DannyB on Monday November 04 2019, @03:04PM (1 child)
What if there is an internal divide between the "chain of command" crowd and the "unconstitutional orders" crowd?
Young people won't believe you if you say you used to get Netflix by US Postal Mail.
(Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Monday November 04 2019, @09:00PM
Every last service member is told multiple times in boot camp that following an illegal order will most certainly land their ass in hot water as well as the person who gave it. That completely aside, the type of folks who enlist aren't there because they looooove following orders. They mostly enlist because they love their country, so ordering them to seriously fuck it up will never, ever fly.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday November 02 2019, @01:41AM (1 child)
Dude. You are the poster boy for unhinged.
(Score: 2) by DannyB on Monday November 04 2019, @03:03PM
I can only do my best. Thank you.
Young people won't believe you if you say you used to get Netflix by US Postal Mail.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday November 02 2019, @01:30AM (2 children)
You unhinged hystericals have been pushing that bullshit since election night 2016:
Trump will start a nuclear war. Trump will never leave office if he loses. Trump will declare martial law. America will collapse.
Goddamn. When the hell are you guys going to grow up and quit believing your own feverish, pot induced hallucinations?
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday November 04 2019, @08:51PM (1 child)
When the hell will you guys wake up and see we have elected a pathological narcissist as President?
Go read up what happens when a pathological narcissist's reality bubble no longer becomes sustainable. "Narcissitic mortification" is the technical term you need. Then tell me what actions prevent Trump from declaring a 90 day martial law and what methods prevent him from telling his military aid, "Give me the codes, I'm picking up the C-in-C nuclear hotline now and making Country ________ turn to glass.") Then understand that we have betrayed our allies who destroyed ISIS for us because Trump can't face the families picking up their loved ones who died in defense of destroying ISIS and ask yourself just how far along Trump might be along that mortification pathway.
Now pray that the shadow resistance inside the Trump administration is a very real thing, and I'll pray that you're trolling.
(Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Monday November 04 2019, @09:01PM
When the hell will you wake up and realize that we almost always do?
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 5, Informative) by Runaway1956 on Friday November 01 2019, @02:58PM (59 children)
So, they couldn't even get a super majority in the House, which they rule. How in hell do they expect to get that super majority in the Senate?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Impeachment_in_the_United_States [wikipedia.org]
No souper-majority, so no soup for you!
Abortion is the number one killed of children in the United States.
(Score: 4, Insightful) by bradley13 on Friday November 01 2019, @03:26PM (56 children)
"So, they couldn't even get a super majority in the House, which they rule. How in hell do they expect to get that super majority in the Senate?"
They don't. It's all a political circus. As near as I can tell, watching from afar, the Democrats hope to discredit Trump and demoralize his base. What they don't seem to realize is that they are only pissing his base off. They don't have any impeachable offenses, not even close. If they start public investigating of all the sordid details from the Ukraine, for example, they will definitely find dirty laundry. The problem is: it's likely to stem from Obama's presidency.
Of course, they may turn up something new on Trump - I'm sure they'll use this as a giant fishing expedition, in hopes of finding something, anything that they can use. They had best pray that they do find something, because they can no longer stop the train. They've made so much noise that, once they start this inquiry, it will go through.
The Democrats are gambling big-time. If they screw this up, which seems likely, they will destroy their election chances in 2020, for every office from President all the way down to Dog Catcher.
Everyone is somebody else's weirdo.
(Score: 2) by takyon on Friday November 01 2019, @03:42PM (31 children)
I doubt it. It's all about mobilizing the base. If Trump voters are complacent or apathetic, angry Democrats could overwhelm them. Trump even helps by keeping Democrats outraged with every other tweet.
The bigness of IMPEACHMENT doesn't matter. We already knew that it's extremely unlikely for the Senate to remove Trump from office. So it's just one political stunt of many that will occur over the next long year.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2019/11/01/trumps-approval-rating-among-republicans-falls-wapo-abc-news-poll/4120897002/ [usatoday.com]
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(Score: 0, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Friday November 01 2019, @04:22PM (28 children)
What the hell?! Has America (and/or sock puppets) fallen so far as to not care about morals? Everything has to be political games?
There is a lot of at least superficial evidence of:
1) collusion with foreign powers for elections (e.g. Muller report)
2) taking foreign money while in office (exactly which countries were on the no-fly zone, and which were not? Proposal of G7 summit at the Trump resorts. Refusal to release tax records. Refusal to turn over assets to a blind trust. What was with that China fashion deal)
3) obstruction of justice (e.g. firing a civil servant 1 week before they were eligible for retirement benefits)
4) abuse of power (e.g. holding foreign aid to Ukraine hostage in order to get dirt on the Bidens)
5) breaking of the constitution/basic human morals (e.g. separating families at the borders, not accepting asylum petitions, misappropriation of funds to build the border wall)
I'll accept that any, or indeed all, of those allegations could be spurious slander, within the rights of a president, coincidences, and "not his choice." But is it so inconceivable that some people actually want at least in inquiry into it, just to be sure?
It's sad, but I actually think it's true, that Trump could shoot somebody on main street and his supporters would still support him. Tribal politics is what it is, but I think everybody who says "he's our guy, so he must be okay, give me a fig-leaf excuse so I don't have to think anymore, USA! USA! USA! USA!" is a major problem.
(Score: 3, Interesting) by Runaway1956 on Friday November 01 2019, @04:44PM
As you have stated your position above, there is nothing wrong with your reasoning. Clear, lucid, rational, I like it. Where the problem comes in, is in the cast of characters playing in this drama charade. Few of those actors are any more reputable than Trump himself. Start with that old hag, Pelosi, who only voted for a national increase in minimum wage, if she were guaranteed that her husband's employees in American Samoa were exempted from any such increase.
Given a world in which most of our elected officials were clean, I think that I could agree with you. But, in our real world? Those who aren't dirty are trying very hard to get dirty, and this impeachment attempt is just so much smoke and mirrors, to keep us distracted.
Abortion is the number one killed of children in the United States.
(Score: 2) by takyon on Friday November 01 2019, @04:46PM (2 children)
This should have been something you figured out about two decades ago, not in 2019. The rise of cable news might be to blame. Although it has gone into turbo mode since Trump did stuff like mock McCain and a disabled reporter without apologizing or quitting the race, as was expected at the time.
1. The ends justify the means.
2. It's all a numbers game. Like measuring the mood on Wall Street.
3. Some last minute October surprise can flip the race in favor of Democrats or Republicans.
4. The two-party system exacerbates the game mentality.
4b. Trump has set back third party candidates for a long time. Would-be third party candidates will follow his example and try to "take over the tent" instead.
5. There is a pendulum effect. One party enjoys 1-2 Presidential terms, and maybe 2 years control of Congress, and then the pendulum swings back.
Look at the numbers I linked. 49% support impeachment and removal, 47% oppose. Those are very similar to this generation's highly polarized Presidential election results.
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(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday November 04 2019, @07:51PM (1 child)
President Trump never mocked a disabled reporter. He was mocking the person in the story who was caught in a web of their own lies. He told that story a dozen times before and CNN knew that. They lied about it anyway. Fake news.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday November 04 2019, @08:57PM
Yes. Mocking.
Very Presidential behavior. Right up there with picking sixth grade names for people and having to have a pejorative adjective for every one of your opponents that plays to your base of bullies and frightented supporters. Yup.
That's the President to me! (aka Why should I give a shit WHO he was mocking with that gesture. Reality is he thought it would be funny and powerful to show that's what his opponents look like. Disgusting in any human being and reprehensible in the President of the United States of America. As in literally beneath contempt.)
(Score: 3, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Friday November 01 2019, @05:56PM (23 children)
The issue with an "inquiry" is that it's not really an inquiry. An inquiry would imply some people are swayable in their views. Even if the Ukrainian President himself said he felt in no way pressured, people would nonetheless try to claim Trump was engaging in a threatening "quid quo pro." And in fact the Ukrainian president has said exactly [time.com] that. When even the alleged victim is claiming there is no crime and all you have left is partisans, well - it looks like something being driven more by partisan motives than any genuine concern. Similar for things like the Mueller report. I'm not sure how that supports your case in any way. Remember, it was supposed to be a rock solid proof of criminality? In reality after two years of nonstop investigation at the cost of millions of taxpayer dollars absolutely 0 wrongdoing, at least to the standards of US law, was discovered. Nobody really cared, they just looked for another wild goose chase to go down which is where Ukraine enters the story.
I voted for Obama in 2008. I did not vote in 2012 or 2016. I've always considered myself extremely liberal, but the recent issues such as this have made me decide to likely vote for the orange man in 2020. The reason is in part because I simply cannot in any way, shape, or form relate to what the democratic party has turned into - but also because, in my opinion, they have been attempting to destroy Trump from day 0. Trump may not be a great president, or person, but a democracy requires that we make some effort to work together. And indeed Trump's first speech after winning the presidency did indicate some desire for reconciliation. I've no idea if it was sincere or not and indeed we may never know. The first calls for "resistance" were thrown almost immediately. All shortly following Trump's election:
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Tim Kaine, Hillary's VP choice:
Loretta Lynch, Obama's Attorney General:
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Fight in the streets? Do "what needs to be done" which may include dying? Coming from politicians at the highest level of our political systems? All because you don't like the guy that got elected? That's just so messed up. I fear that the democratic party I used to know is gradually transitioning to something much more awful, and dangerous. The fortunate thing is also think the DNC is dying and will probably die if they do not win in 2020. And hopefully from their ashes we can actually get a liberal party of the sort that can represent the people once again, and not the sort pushing for the formation of the brownshirts when they lose an election.
(Score: 1, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Friday November 01 2019, @07:48PM (14 children)
Frankly, I think that even just asking the Ukranian President for a "favor" is, at best, problematic.
For the umpteenth time, the Mueller report did not exonerate Trump; Mueller made it clear that if his investigation could have done that he would have clearly stated so. The conclusion was that, as per DoJ policy, he could not indict a sitting President. Mueller clearly laid out the facts along with an exhortation for Congress and the People to do their jobs. Instead, partisans in the Republican party and on Fox "News" decided that there was "nothing to see here" because chicken-shit Republicans in the Senate were not willing to go against a President in the own party.
Another bit of revisionist history. Ukraine "enters the story" because a whistle blower complaint came to light, despite yeomans efforts within the DoJ to keep it concealed.
Huh? You seem to have a rather idiosyncratic view of the content of those quotes. My interpretation was that they would use every legal means at their disposal to oppose the President's policies. But I'm sure you knew that already. And what is so god awful wrong with getting better people elected to public office, challenge egregiously bad policies in the courts, publicly protesting, etc? You know, like the way free peoples have a right to challenge their elected officials? Or do you not really believe in democracy after all? Not to put too fine a point on this but neither Sen Kaine nor Attorney General Lynch have attempted to lead an army of goons to stage a putsch in DC. In contrast, our President has been somewhat more ambiguous about following the rule of law. [axios.com]
(Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Saturday November 02 2019, @03:39AM (13 children)
I suggest, put arguing with GP on hold. Take another serious look around at various events over the past three years. People being denied service at restaurants and such because of their political views and affiliations? That shit can turn very deadly, without warning. To date, the R's have been the victims, and the R's have handled the situation(s) rather gracefully. It would only take ONE instance for bodies to start hitting the ground, and we'll have what amounts to a civil war spreading across the nation.
Would you be outraged, and incensed, if it were gays being denied service? Blacks? Asians?
The talking heads mean exactly what they say, when they call for "resistance" and "fighting in the streets". They are instigating all the worst, intentionally.
I gave GP an additional "insightful" mod, because he is insightful.
Abortion is the number one killed of children in the United States.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday November 02 2019, @05:42PM (1 child)
"Be nice to us or we'll murder you!!"
Mmmhhmmmm, nice freedom values you're promoting.
Runaway is the true fascist as we long suspected. And lawl at handled gracefully, wtf bizarro world you living in Mr. Thinskin?
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday November 02 2019, @07:05PM
Well, if you're too stupid to understand what is written, there is no point in arguing with you.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday November 03 2019, @04:41AM (10 children)
"Be nice to me and my brown shirt buddies, or things could quickly turn ugly"? Wow. This is low, even by your standards.
Actually, that has already happened, more than once. (No, I'm not going to google it for you. You can still operate your keyboard with your thumbs, even while you jerk off here on SN.)
Again, this has already happened. Yes, it even continues to this day. (Again, you can do your own damn google search just as much as anybody else.)
Haven't heard of it, but I wouldn't be surprised if it is going on. Considering all of that, the screams howls of outrage from the alt-right come across as rather hollow, frankly.
I always post as AC, so I have no mod points to give out. But if I did, I would be more than happy to downmod you as a gibbering idiot.
(Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Sunday November 03 2019, @05:01AM (9 children)
To summaraize your lengthy post:
You don't give a damn about justice, you want vengeance for things that have happened over the past ten years, hundred years, even thousand years.
Abortion is the number one killed of children in the United States.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday November 03 2019, @07:02AM (8 children)
Oh, dear me! People don't approve of my political views! Help! I'm being oppressed!</sarcasm>
You are shitty at reading comprehension. First, we are not just talking about injustices that happened "tens, hundreds, or even thousands" of years ago. We are talking about discrimination that gays, blacks, etc. are facing even to this very day! When you start caring about that, I might start giving a damn about MAGA hat wearers facing the disapproval of their neighbors. And just to make this crystal clear for you, MAGA hat wearers can easily take off their hats to conceal their identity; blacks and asians can't quite so easily change their skin color. It looks to me like what you really object to is that your alt-right buddies are being called out on their odious views and the policies they support.
(Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Sunday November 03 2019, @07:31AM (7 children)
My advice? Get the Dems out of their identity politics mode, and things will improve almost immediately. I'm perfectly happy to "reach down" and help another man up, out of abject poverty. I'm not willing to join him in poverty. I'm happy to "give a guy a break" if he needs it, and wants it. I'm not willing to join him in misery.
All of this identity politics bullshit is designed to take something from the white hetero male - Christian or not - and none of it is designed to actually improve people's lives.
A famous black guy said it - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I3cGfrExozQ [youtube.com]
Seriously, just stop talking about it all the time. I can (and have) walked out on a job site, met a bunch of strangers, and worked with them all day long. They are identified as Superintendant, Foreman, Carpenter 1 through whatever, Carpenter's Helpers 1 through whatever, Equipment Operator 1 through whatever, Laborers 1 through whatever. Hard hats help - you meet these guys in their work "uniforms". Meeting any or all of them in street clothes, you often times fail to recognize them. As time passes, you learn their names, you realize that the Super is Mexican, the Foreman is Cajun, etc etc. We don't talk about race. We talk about THE JOB. If the word "black" is used, it is descriptive, as in, "One of the carpenters sent me to get his level from the tool trailer, the short black guy." The guy in the tool trailer responds with, "You mean Anthony?" "Yeah, Anthony needs his 8 foot level."
Help a fellow man up, stop trying to pull other men down. It is the Social Justice Warriors and their ilk who are holding people down. You intentionally IDENTIFY every one who is "different", and try to punish white people for that difference.
Gay violence? Maybe you should consider changing your search terms, and you'll find articles like this one - https://americansfortruth.com/issues/homosexual-hate/victims-of-homosexual-murderers/ [americansfortruth.com] Gays aren't always the innocent victims, after all. Sometimes, they are the monsters. You won't find any demographic that has no monsters in it's midst. Gay monsters are rare, you say? Statistically speaking, gays are relatively rare, so, yes, gay monsters are going to be rare. But gays aren't special - statistically, they harbor as many lowlife scum as hetero white males.
Get over it, and stop defining people based on their color, gender, orientation, or whatever.
Abortion is the number one killed of children in the United States.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday November 03 2019, @05:27PM (1 child)
Idiot, projection is a bad tactic when you are being called out for supporting bigotry.
You're just another delicate snowflake melting under the light of truth.
(Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Sunday November 03 2019, @06:35PM
Let me show you some projection - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rrBxZGWCdgs [youtube.com]
Abortion is the number one killed of children in the United States.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday November 04 2019, @12:53AM (2 children)
As a white hetero Christian male, I object to you trying to co-opt me as the poster boy for your misbegotten cause. YOU ARE FAR LESS OPPRESSED THAN YOU SUPPOSE, DIMWIT!!!
And what the hell is this non sequitur doing here?!? Who is punishing white males for the sole reason of being "different"? We were talking about various minority groups facing discrimination. It is the action of some alt-right types which is getting most of the loud disapproval. And, it pains me to admit this, but a lot of this BS is coming from white hetero "Christian" males. Just stop looking for new and inventive ways of being mean to minorities. And at the very least, FOR THE LOVE OF GOD DO NOT USE ME AS THE (supposedly oppressed) POSTER BOY FOR YOUR CRUSADE!!!! I object to being shoe-horned into that role.
For the record, I have no interest in "defining people based on their color, gender, orientation, or whatever". Rather, I am calling out deplorable policies and political tactics that seem to have discrimination against and silencing of various minority groups as their main intent. When that stops I will likely quickly "get over it".
(Score: 3, Interesting) by Runaway1956 on Monday November 04 2019, @05:29AM (1 child)
You object to being shoehorned into a role? Alright then, stop all your liberal friends from shoehorning me into some kind of role. I'm not the oppressor.
Uh-huh. And, not once on SN have I ever voiced an opinion against such tactics? I've never once suggested that Prison for Profit is evil? I've never suggested that Stop and Frisk in NYC is evil? I've never once mentioned Driving While Black? And, remember, I've often pointed out that most of this oppression takes place in liberal cities and states.
I really don't care what you object to. It is YOUR PARTY, and YOUR AGENDA that oppresses most minorities, and especially blacks. Liberals simply freak out when they think of a black man legally owning a weapon. Their first reaction to a black man and a gun, is to shoot. THOSE COPS WHO ACTUALLY DO THE SHOOTING ARE ENFORCING LIBERAL LAW! Conservatives, rednecks, hillbillies, threepers, oathkeepers, preppers, and a whole lot more insist that ALL AMERICANS have the right to keep and bear arms. But, your do-gooders in Washington, D.C. want to take all of our guns. Every presidential hopeful on your side has made outrageous statements about taking away our guns. They have already succeeded in taking the black man's guns, and now they want to take ours so they can oppress all the rest of us.
I've got things I'd like to do with a shoehorn, since you've mentioned it. All of them painful to liberals and progessives.
Abortion is the number one killed of children in the United States.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday November 04 2019, @05:18PM
Don't make so many assumptions. I am not what you think I am. You seem to think I am a liberal progressive. I'm not. I currently have no political party affiliation. In fact, about ten years ago I was registered Republican while living in Arizona. I'm also a Christian (somewhat) conservative. I used to attach the evangelical label to that but these days I am shying away from it because some loud mouths have co-opted that label to turn it into new and inventive ways to take away rights from various other non-hetero, non-white, non-Christian folks. And your brandishing of a shoe horn doesn't scare me; if anything, it just convinces me even more that wild-eyed gun-nutters like you really do need to be disarmed for the safety of everyone (including you). Next time, try to be less of a shitty person.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday November 04 2019, @11:13PM (1 child)
Your sin number 1: You think you are REACHING DOWN to PICK THEM UP. Not your job or your judgment call, dude. Best thing you can do is make them equal to you. And it ain't done by looking down on minorities.
Your sin number 2: You think that because you have a Cajun or Black friend this qualifies you to know what your Black friend actually has experienced in life. And just because you don't care - and you probably don't and you're not trying to be a bad guy, still doesn't mean that you might not be understanding the racist attitudes you exude because you don't know differently. Nor does it mean that they're seeing you as Mr. Nice White Man, or maybe they are. Point is you don't know what you think you do.
Your sin number 3: Yes, gay people are people. They are a minority to begin with. So aberrant behavior occurs. (so long as you do not regard being homosexual as an aberance, a delusion very many people still hold to today and it has only been since 1974 that being gay has not been directly codable as deviant psychologic behavior).
Stop fucking thinking you know jack shit about any of these things because you have read a fucking polemic web site, OK?
Oh, and rape is about violence and getting sexual release through violence. Whether heterosexual or homosexually done... actually same drives go on there as far as anyone can tell. So it ain't about the sex, even. It's about violence. And fuck off for thinking anyone else thinks different.
(Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Tuesday November 05 2019, @12:23AM
If your sin number 1 is really a sin, I'll be happy to answer for it, rather than the liberal sin of thinking "dem niggas is stupid!"
Abortion is the number one killed of children in the United States.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday November 01 2019, @07:56PM (2 children)
For now, the partisan whistleblower at the center of this is refusing to testify. Another nothingburger.
(Score: 2) by All Your Lawn Are Belong To Us on Friday November 01 2019, @09:00PM (1 child)
For now, every single thing we know the whistleblower would have testified to has been released into the public, so there is no need for the whistleblower's testimony any longer.
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(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday November 04 2019, @01:03AM
And the coup de gras is that it now appears that the whistle blower is willing to answer written questions from Republicans. [cnn.com] I just love watching mendacious politicians getting hoisted on their own petard; it fills me with glee. Any bets on what Republicans' next move will be?
(Score: 2) by All Your Lawn Are Belong To Us on Friday November 01 2019, @08:59PM (2 children)
When the alleged victim is still completely dependent upon the good will of the alleged perpetrator one might well disregard a voiced denial and instead look at the evidence that a 'favor' was asked for in the context of requesting a purchase of military armament and withheld aid funds. Or, another way: If I ask you to shoot someone should the prosecutor not care that you come out and say you'd have done the killing anyway?
This sig for rent.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday November 02 2019, @05:09AM (1 child)
So in other words we should simply disregard what all involved parties say and just jump to your own conclusion based on unspoken words? Don't you see this is literally how things like the Witch Trials happened.
- "No sir, I am not a witch and did not cast a spell on this person."
- "No sir, I don't feel like she is a witch nor has there been any sort of a spell cast on me."
- "Thank you, this court has taken your testimony into consideration. We've now decided. The witch must be casting a spell on the poor soul to make him lie. BURN THE WITCH!!"
It's quite terrifying that people are so quick to throw all logic and evidentiary standards to the wind when it suits their needs. It emphasizes that much of our modern civility has not been because of any sort of institution or system of laws, but through things that were much more organic. That's good and bad. Good since it emphasizes the inherent goodness we have, but bad because it should those organic factors start to fade - so might our civility.
As always the one thing I'd add here is that I think a lot of this modern stupidity is just being driven by the internet. Take your average lefty, take your average righty, and they'd get along perfectly fine. It's only when the media, on both sides, is claiming that the opposition is the embodiment of Lucifer himself that we lose our minds and start acting like monkeys.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday November 03 2019, @04:30AM
And it's quite terrifying (to me) that you suck so much at elementary logic. No, I'm not going to bother to deconstruct your "witch trial" analogy for you. Do your own God damn homework, chuckles!
Indeed. My take: you should have studied harder in school, rather than spend so much time on the internet. Also, it would probably do wonders for your perspective to get out into the real world once in a while. Just sayin'.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday November 03 2019, @02:08AM
I'm coming to a similar conclusion (also a liberal) with respect to Trump. For me, it has been the way the media has hounded him. To back up a bit, I caucused for Bernie Sanders all the way to the State convention in 2016. Being a Bernie supporter made me very aware of how the media was 100% on Hillary's side -- like that day the Washington Post ran 16 negative Bernie stories in 16 hours. I voted in 2016, but I voted 3d party because nothing could make me vote for a murdering $epithet like HRC.
Since the election, I've seen the media do nothing but negative press on Trump. Just wall-to-wall negativity. I also watched how Obama got treated in the press despite extending and embracing GWB policy -- Obama was an epic disappointment from a liberal policy perspective and yet the press lionizes him.
So yeah -- I see it as fake news. It fucking is. It's propaganda. And the Democrats -- what a bunch war loving wall street fellating turds. Given the amount of disgust I feel for BOTH the DNC and the MSM, the only logical choice is to vote in a way that kicks them both in nads. And that means voting for Trump. And let's be honest here -- unlike Obama, Trump has not gotten us into any new wars. It would be good if he got us out of some (and don't give me that shit about Obama and Iraq -- he left on GWB's timetable after Iraq refused to extend SOFA -- he tried to extend the war, failed, and declared himself a peacnik), but not getting into more wars is something at least, and something I wouldn't trust the Democrats to avoid.
(Score: 2) by sjames on Sunday November 03 2019, @11:22PM
It's not uncommon for potential witnesses, including a victim to be reluctant to say anything bad about the defendant when they fear retaliation.
(Score: 3, Interesting) by rcamera on Friday November 01 2019, @04:58PM (1 child)
once the (R)s in the senate state on the record that dangling federal dollars in front of foreign leaders in return for dirt on political opponents is fair-play, then the (D)s get to start playing that same game. they're just testing the (R)s to make sure they're on-board before playing with the new rules
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(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday November 01 2019, @07:55PM
Indeed. That is the real hazard in a nutshell. Whatever precedent is set today is certainly going to be used in the future. It is amazing to me how much Republicans are blind to the long game, all for such a ridiculous short term gain. Are they really willing to die on that hill for this yutz of a President?
(Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Friday November 01 2019, @03:47PM (3 children)
I look at the timeline of events in Ukraine. I can't argue the stem was in Obama's presidency. But, I wonder how much of the root system was planted during the Bush administration. The shit didn't really hit the fan until 2010, but all the players were in place long before that. And, the Kock brothers were hovering right there, ready to swoop in like a pair of vultures to pick the carcass.
Abortion is the number one killed of children in the United States.
(Score: 2, Informative) by fustakrakich on Friday November 01 2019, @05:17PM (1 child)
Europe and Russia have been interested in Ukraine for a thousand years or more. This is a very old war
La politica e i criminali sono la stessa cosa..
(Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Friday November 01 2019, @05:23PM
So, that root has tapped deeply into Ukraine? Sounds so vulgar, doesn't it? ;^)
Abortion is the number one killed of children in the United States.
(Score: 1, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday November 02 2019, @05:45AM
Like others have mentioned this probably goes back much further. Ukraine has always has a troubled relationship with Russia dating back (in modern times) to at least the 1930s. Even during WW2 some in Ukraine initially aimed to side with Hitler seeing their invasion as a liberation from communist control. That history alongside extensive nationalists efforts throughout history is where the slur of Ukrainians as fascists (as said by Russians) derives from. As an interesting aside there is even a nuance here in the Russian language itself. Most of all countries you use the preposition "in" - in America, in Russia, in Bulgaria, etc. But Ukraine, the term of which can translate to something like the borderlands in Russian, uses the preposition "on" - on the grass, on the tree, on the borderlands.
Suffice to say, ethnic Ukrainians are not fond of this distinction and it's still somewhat of a language 'jab' even if not necessarily intended as such. This is also the reason that, I doubt most are aware, but why many use phrasing such as "He's from the Uraine." as opposed to "He's from Ukraine." At some point the meaning of the word leaked through the languages in a rather subtle way. I decided to learn Russian following our recent efforts at creating a new Red Scare to try to see what the other side was saying. Not exactly fluent yet (to say the least), but it's a beautiful language. And it's also quite interesting how different the standard of online discourse is in a different language. It emphasizes that there's either something really wrong with us or, and much more likely in my opinion, how polluted our discourse is by government and corporate actors alongside their useful idiots, to quite ironically, use a term likely coined by Lenin in his efforts to manipulate the soviet population.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday November 01 2019, @03:56PM
I don't think that's the goal. The DNC has learned the lesson of Trump 2016 and Kavanaugh. Their 'September surprise' was 'grab her by the pussy.' That sort of stuff was not designed to get more Hillary voters, but to discourage Trump voters. And it had what seems to have had, literally, 0 effect. Kavanaugh had a similar result.
So I think the goal of the impeachment is to try to bring in DNC voters. The way they will do this is drag on the circus just long enough such that the acquittal in the senate will happen just before the election. They can then spin the senate acquitting Trump as emphasizing the need to come vote and reshape the senate and congress.
And I do think it's probably their best bet. Certainly better than what's becoming the increasingly trite sex allegations or 'he secretly said something nasty in private'. At the same though it's a big gamble. I personally think that the impeachment charges are horseshit. Calling that phone call quid quo pro is stretching things to say the least, and even if it were - that's not a crime. If enough people ending up seeing the charges are politically motivated, the entire strategy stands to backfire hard since I think everybody is fed up with rampant partisanship and the idea of actively voting for it is going to deter voters that might have otherwise voted.
(Score: 1, Redundant) by canopic jug on Friday November 01 2019, @04:03PM (6 children)
There's a long list of incidents of treason, bribery, and other high crimes and misdemeanors the whole time he has been in office. It's just that some in the public seem to have become inured to criminality. Take the forged weather map, which is a federal crime [cornell.edu]. The press, being part of the problem, just laughed it off as did social control media. He really could just shoot someone, anyone, in the middle of the street and you all would just shrug it off, maybe even with a chuckle.
There used to be a system of checks and balances between the different branches of the US government. We'll soon see if any of that system is left, but it's looking like the Republicans are instead going to treat this as a partisan issue rather than a constitutional obligation [bloomberg.com]. He's one of theirs, they need to help rope him in.
Money is not free speech. Elections should not be auctions.
(Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Friday November 01 2019, @04:47PM (5 children)
The chuckle? Maybe. If he shot Pelosi, maybe.
Abortion is the number one killed of children in the United States.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday November 01 2019, @05:20PM (1 child)
FBI? CIA? NSA?
We've got a domestic terrorist hoping for the assassination of a congresswoman. Yall'qaeda picking up steam!
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday November 02 2019, @05:16AM
According to IRC, Ol' Runaway had to take some mandatory days off, for no discernable reason. You know what that means! Guys in the shiny black SUVs with the Nice Suits, and wires paid a visit to his bosses. Runaway may not be long for SoylentNews!
(Score: 2) by canopic jug on Friday November 01 2019, @05:32PM (1 child)
She has been protecting him for months for no apparent reason. However, it would not be out of character for him to turn on an ally, old or new.
Money is not free speech. Elections should not be auctions.
(Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Saturday November 02 2019, @03:22AM
That is nonsense. She's been holding back her fellow crazies, because she is lucid enough to realize this impeachment simply cannot go anywhere. Protecting Trump? Pelosi would eat his heart, if she had to climb up his ass to get at it.
Abortion is the number one killed of children in the United States.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday November 01 2019, @07:13PM
She'd cut his balls off if he tried.
(Score: 4, Insightful) by edIII on Friday November 01 2019, @06:39PM (5 children)
Wow, you Trumpers are so full of shit, that we could use said shit to power the planet for the next 1000 years. Trump could be butt-fucking your wife while slitting the throats of your children, and you would STILL be excusing his behavior. "The wife was naggy, and the children were insolent, and just look at his remarkable accomplishments!"
1) It doesn't stem from Obama's presidency. Not even likely. It's 100000000000000000000000000000000000000000% Trump. They've flat out admitted to the substance of the impeachment claim. It's not even in question that he did it.
2) Obama's presidency, and your clear allusions to Biden, are a separate issue.
3) It was 10000000000000000000000000000000000000% an impeachable offense.
What was done again? Lemme see:
1) Held up Congressionally pre-approved military aid to a country that is in contention with Russia.
2) DEMANDED that the highest authority in that country investigate his political rival in order to receive said aid.
3) Hid the evidence the very moment people started questioning what happened.
That is not the actions of the innocent, but actions of a President in clear violation of his oath of office. Did Orange Anus have other options? You bet he fucking did. He had to be a mafia boss tough guy handling the "massive corruption" of the deep state all by himself. That was highly inappropriate. He could've called for a press conference, stated the corruption, and then demanded CONGRESS investigate it. He could've publicly come out with the facts as he knew it. Even if he was wrong, it would've been a whole different story to do it out in the open in the press, and most importantly, it would not be Orange Anus doing anything. There was an appropriate governing body that handles these sorts of things, and Orange Anus could've followed PROCEDURE. You Republicans love procedure over substance right?
None of that happened because Biden was already cleared, and it wasn't about corruption, but manipulating elections. If Trump can't be impeached for this clearly impeachable behavior, then the America we know is absolutely dead. Democracy has died.
I'm of the position that the corrupt fucker could be impeached for the Emoluments Clause alone. It's amazing that you delusional partisan trolls are okay with massive payoffs in the hundreds of millions going to his family. Republicans lost their shit in the 70s and demanded President Carter sell a small fucking peanut farm to satisfy the Emoluments Clause, but a Republican President can have foreign delegations spending millions to rent out rooms and property that clearly provide profit.
You guys have zero respect left from me. I used to be able to at least respect some Republicans and their viewpoints, but after this, the Republican party deserves to die and be replaced again.
Don't mind me. Keep your head stuck firmly up your ass because you can't stand the thought of no longer "winning".
Technically, lunchtime is at any moment. It's just a wave function.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday November 01 2019, @07:24PM (2 children)
You should spend some time investigating Biden and his son
(Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Friday November 01 2019, @08:19PM
Two wrongs do not make a right. Or to put it another way, "But all the other kids were doing it too" is not a valid defense when children misbehave, so why in the world would it be a valid defense for anybody older?
I hear it from my kids, and it fails to fly.
I hear it from developers too lazy to follow good coding practices or basic security / due diligence.
I hear it from politicians.
I'm tired of hearing it. I don't care if Johnny did it too - I expect Johnny's parents to punish him, just like I have to punish you. You screwed up, you need to accept the consequences.
Sadly, I'm not allowed to put developers or politicians into Time Out and take away their toys until they learn to play nicely.
(Score: 2) by edIII on Friday November 01 2019, @09:44PM
Why? This was already investigated by both the United States and the Ukraine. Biden and his son were cleared. I don't need to do shit.
Now, do you know who *should* be doing something about it? CONGRESS!!! They investigated Hillary how many fucking times again?
No, the appropriate action was:
1) A press conference. The President of the United States stands up and lays out his claims and states that he is presenting his facts to CONGRESS.
2) CONGRESS can listen to the President of the United States, speaking to them directly in the Capitol. Not in secret to a few and hiding/manipulating the evidence on hidden servers, but to ALL the legally elected Congressmen and Senators, and the PUBLIC.
3) After reviewing the FACTS, CONGRESS can then engage their machinery and determine if an inquiry is warranted. Not in a clearly partisan matter, but in a bipartisan matter.
4) If the evidence proves illicit activity then the Department of Justice can get involved.
So no, I don't have to do a fucking thing. There is mother fucking procedure for this, and elected representatives to carry out said procedure. Not a delusional dotard in office pretending to be fucking Batman fighting the deep state, and whatever other conspiracies he believes, in secret.
Technically, lunchtime is at any moment. It's just a wave function.
(Score: 2) by All Your Lawn Are Belong To Us on Friday November 01 2019, @09:04PM (1 child)
Holding back like that can cause stress, man. Tell us how you really feel!
This sig for rent.
(Score: 2) by edIII on Friday November 01 2019, @10:43PM
That you can only make cheeky comments and can't make constructive comments about the arguments? That you need to avoid the truth in plain sight like it was the plague? Talk about anything *but* what Trump actually did?
Just like Republicans :)
Technically, lunchtime is at any moment. It's just a wave function.
(Score: 3, Interesting) by sjames on Friday November 01 2019, @06:42PM
Really, it's forcing the GOP to declare it's position on the idea that Trump could commit murder in public with impunity. Essentially, if the President is now the king (not the watered down limited monarchy of today's UK, the old school off with their heads monarchy). Then the voters will have to decide what they think of that.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday November 01 2019, @06:45PM
Whatcha talkin' 'bout, Bradley? His base has been pissed off since they were the Teabaggers! (Not knowing what the term actually means!) I mean, Trump can hold rallies, but really no one and nothing can make his base any more angry than they already are. Fortunately, recent studies hold promise of treatment for Alzheimers, and a hair test, so there is hope for them.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday November 02 2019, @07:09AM (2 children)
I didn't vote for Trump last time around but the 24/7 360 degree negativity is excessive and disgusting. If Democrats vote to impeach, I will vote for Trump -- it would be my very first vote for a Republican president since I started voting (My first vote was for Bill Clinton during his first campaign). Impeachment shouldn't be used as a partisan tool and if Democrats can't figure that out, they need another lesson at the polls (losing by running warhawk HRC was lesson #1, being tops on divisive hyper-partisan corruption, that deserves a lesson #2).
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday November 02 2019, @11:51PM (1 child)
Bullshit
The most corrupt president with a staggering record of lying is the one you'll finally vote for because everyone is angry at his corrupt lying bullshit?
You are a liar, no wonder you would feel simpatico with Trump.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday November 03 2019, @02:22AM
Winning hearts and minds. Anyway, not lying. The DNC hasn't learned the 2016 lesson yet, so it needs another spanking. Last time I was content to vote 3d party, which is essentially like not voting in that it doesn't effect the vote spread in any fashion. Comments like yours harden my resolve to effect that spread by voting for the DNC/MSM's main opponent and give Trump make that a 2 point spread: -1 for DNC/MSM, +1 for Trump.
(Score: 2) by sjames on Sunday November 03 2019, @11:15PM
I'm pretty sure that even if Trump tweeted "I have committed many High Crimes and Misdemeanors hugely and I liked it" along with a video of his HC&M highlights his base would claim there were no impeachable offenses.
(Score: 2) by JoeMerchant on Friday November 01 2019, @05:24PM (1 child)
Removal from office isn't likely the goal. Having legitimate reasons to blow the contents of the investigation out to the public would seem to be the present goal, if that evidence is sufficiently shocking, the supermajority will follow.
Україна досі не є частиною Росії Слава Україні🌻 https://news.stanford.edu/2023/02/17/will-russia-ukraine-war-end
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday November 01 2019, @09:10PM
so, are you perhaps a jj abrams fan?