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The good people over at Infoworld have published a story outlining why they feel systemd is a disaster.
Excerpt from Infoworld:
While systemd has succeeded in its original goals, it's not stopping there. systemd is becoming the Svchost of Linux—which I don't think most Linux folks want. You see, systemd is growing, like wildfire, well outside the bounds of enhancing the Linux boot experience. systemd wants to control most, if not all, of the fundamental functional aspects of a Linux system—from authentication to mounting shares to network configuration to syslog to cron. It wants to do so as essentially a monolithic entity that obscures what's happening behind the scenes.
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systemd: Harbinger of the Linux Apocalypse.
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If the thunder don't get you, then the lightning will.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday August 19 2014, @12:30PM
didnt read the link even the last time but seems I was spot on:
nobody cares if we can invoke the *nix spirit early on in the boot process, that is running mutiple programs at the same time and if using mutiple terminal even being able to start different programs at the same time. this good.
but it should be: "do one thing and do it well", in this case the one thing would be "system boot really quickly"?
too much is too much maybe?
but why was it adopted so rapidly by all distros then? it seems in the scramble to bring linux to desktop some people put some stones in the way ...like maybe gnome3 needs systemd to work?
so charging full steam ahead to the linux desktop the "other general" is outflanking us and not nuking the spearhead but the supply lines -aka- the linux boot process itself. who cares if the linux desktop then wins if the boot process turns into an abomination?
boot meet ass.
(Score: 3, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday August 19 2014, @04:15PM
Politics. The "right" people in the right place with the right agenda. SELECT * FROM maintainer, systemd_dev WHERE maintainer.name=systemd_dev.name OR maintainer.name=systemd_dev.buddy.
Another thing that happened slowly and people didn't see coming is that other tools were introduced in all distros and then after a while the dev said "oh well, now we depends on systemd, if you don't like it, find yourself a replacement tool". Of course the devs were also systemd's, or closely tied with them. Think Red Hat.
same kind of thing that made Debian pick libav over ffmpeg. The choice wasn't technical, the maintainer was on libav side.
now get off my tinfoil hat!!
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday August 20 2014, @12:44PM
as someone who had to maintain ffmpeg software on Debian, the changing and breaking of the api with every minor version was getting to be a major pain in the ass. ifdefs around minor version numbers everywhere. I can't say if libav will be any better, time will tell, but I hope so.
(Score: 5, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday August 19 2014, @04:29PM
Because the group of autistic savants that are creating systemd are also the same group of autistic savants who create gnome. So they tied gnome and systemd together so tightly that you can't use gnome without using systemed. And so, all the folks who think they need gnome now believe they "need" systemd, because gnome needs systemd.
If it were a for-profit business it would be kind of like tying one's internet browser so tightly to one's operating system that the browser can't be separated from the OS without breaking the OS, and the OS can't be separated from the browser without breaking the browser.
Oh, wait, there was a corporation that did try that. And, hmm, they were found guilty of illegal, anti-competitive tying for having done so.....
(Score: 5, Insightful) by tangomargarine on Tuesday August 19 2014, @04:47PM
Another reason that I'm glad I jettisoned GNOME over the Unity/GNOME3 debacle. I find XFCE much cleaner.
I expect the problem though is that GNOME is "that thing Ubuntu uses" so people gravitate towards it without thinking.
"Is that really true?" "I just spent the last hour telling you to think for yourself! Didn't you hear anything I said?"
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday August 19 2014, @05:06PM
GNOME chose to isolate itself from users and it has made itself reliant on systemd? Now the majority of the distributions are kowtowing to them and switching to systemd? Should just leave systemd out and let them whither away alone on their imaginary perch atop it all.
(Score: 2) by Magic Oddball on Wednesday August 20 2014, @03:55AM
What the hell do systemd/GNOME 3 have to do with whether a person's autistic or not?
Oh, I see, you meant that "I disagree with what these developers did, so I decided to call them 'autistic' to show how much I hate them, since it's not considered cool to say they're girls, black or gay anymore."
You can make your point without referring to other 'kinds' of people as a slur -- please do so.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday August 19 2014, @11:07PM
"nobody cares if we can invoke the *nix spirit early on in the boot process" - bullsh!t. Many people care which is why many are against systemd. One for one.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday August 20 2014, @03:03AM
this was a *jab at the fact that if something works and works well then nobody "cares" as in "up in arms with flaming pitchforks".
if it works we mostly just use it (maybe with a small smile) but we hardly ever say "thank you"...