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The good people over at Infoworld have published a story outlining why they feel systemd is a disaster.
Excerpt from Infoworld:
While systemd has succeeded in its original goals, it's not stopping there. systemd is becoming the Svchost of Linux—which I don't think most Linux folks want. You see, systemd is growing, like wildfire, well outside the bounds of enhancing the Linux boot experience. systemd wants to control most, if not all, of the fundamental functional aspects of a Linux system—from authentication to mounting shares to network configuration to syslog to cron. It wants to do so as essentially a monolithic entity that obscures what's happening behind the scenes.
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systemd: Harbinger of the Linux Apocalypse.
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(Score: 3, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday August 19 2014, @02:32PM
I and many others are fine with the "ultra-configurable advanced-user-only OS".
there is your problem, now it's about what *you* want.
Linux doesn't want to. Politics, news, some very vocal people and/or some distribution want it to for reason not yet clear to anyone. Linux is doing fine with it's 1% market share and all this mess happens because some Very "Smart" People have an agenda.
And that's why I like it. I came late to Linux (2006), I *never* was called "LOL you suck newb" on any forum. You know why? because I did my homeworks *before* asking silly questions ("Lol war iz the registry editor?"). I'm still learning new stuffs every day. It made me *understand* (or at least try to) how things work. And I'm not even a developer. You got a brain. Use it!
I don't want my Debian to be dumbed down to increase market share for idiots that will come ask the most stupid questions without even thinking twice (have you ever read a forum for Windows users ? it's appalling ... ). We don't give a fuck about market share.
I'm so fucking tired of the Eternal September and the crappy mess this is all slowly becoming because of some people with an agenda that I'm actually considering switching to a sanely well-engineered BSD ...
(Score: 1, Flamebait) by Hairyfeet on Tuesday August 19 2014, @06:56PM
But you aren't getting an "ultra-configurable advanced-user-only OS" what you are getting is a corporate controlled "ultra-configurable advanced-user-only OS" which is why stank like systemd and pulse can be forced from on high and you WILL take it or be stuck on "Bob's distro" with low user numbers, overworked devs, and lousy support.
The reason why even guys like you should want Linux to become useful to the masses is simple...it benefits YOU through better hardware support (because it will be harder for OEMs to ignore Linux with a strong userbase), more devices that are Linux friendly OOTB and most importantly more money for Linux development that isn't tied to a corp who only gives a shit about one or two niche applications like LAMP. For a perfect example of how different things could be for Linux with better mainstream support one only has to look at Android. Android now has devices of every shape and form, from tiny thumbsticks to full blown desktops, from phones to watches. Also look at the amount of Android compatible hardware coming out daily, its growing by leaps and bounds.
So having better mainstream support is better for everybody, it means less control by corps that only want to use Linux for a few niche roles, more hardware and software support, its just better all around.
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(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday August 19 2014, @08:44PM
I beg to differ on (at least) one point: we got into the corporate-controlled thingy *because* Linux was becoming more mainstream, in the first place. Someone saw a potential cash-cow and now the corps (Red Hat, Canonical, (Google ?) etc.) want it to become even *more* mainstream because it means more money in for them. It's in their interest (I don't blame them that's what they exist for, making money) not mine. I wish it was that simple: more user == more drivers/support, but that's only part of the bigger picture. The more users we have, the more the Big Corps will want to be the only guardians of the True Linux and relegate us into, as you put it correctly, lousy "Bob's distro". Which we don't really want ...
Until now, we had the non-corporate Debian to turn to, but now it's taking the systemd way when they should give exactly zero fuck about it. And don't get me started on the "but systemd is only optional in Debian". We all know very well how *that's* gonna end.