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posted by n1 on Wednesday August 20 2014, @06:17AM   Printer-friendly
from the it's-time-to-grow-up dept.

Jessica Roy reports at NY Magazine that news aggregator Fark has became one of the first original link aggregators to ban misogyny from its community making moderators responsible for ensuring that misogyny doesn't make its way into headlines or comments. Banned headlines include rape jokes, calling women as a group "whores" or "sluts" or similar demeaning terminology, and jokes suggesting that a woman who suffered a crime was somehow asking for it.

There are lots of examples of highly misogynistic language in pop culture, and Fark has used those plenty over the years. From SNL's "Jane, you ignorant slut" to Blazing Saddles' multiple casual references to rape, there are a lot of instances where views are made extreme to parody them. On Fark, we have a tendency to use pop culture references as a type of referential shorthand with one another.

On SNL and in a comedy movie, though, the context is clear. On the Internet, it's impossible to know the difference between a person with hateful views and a person lampooning hateful views to make a point.

According to Roy, Fark's new guidelines are a "refreshing departure from the misguided free speech arguments that sites like Reddit that bend over backwards to defend the handful of misogynist communities that are among its ranks, not to mention the free-floating slut-shaming that snakes its way into regular comment threads."

 
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  • (Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday August 20 2014, @06:21AM

    by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday August 20 2014, @06:21AM (#83411)

    I guess they're okay with Misandry [wikipedia.org].
    Sexist bastards!

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  • (Score: 4, Insightful) by jimshatt on Wednesday August 20 2014, @06:25AM

    by jimshatt (978) on Wednesday August 20 2014, @06:25AM (#83413) Journal
    Yeah, because, you know, when you're not okay with one thing, you're obviously okay with all other things...
    • (Score: 2) by aristarchus on Wednesday August 20 2014, @06:36AM

      by aristarchus (2645) on Wednesday August 20 2014, @06:36AM (#83415) Journal

      I am just upset about anyone being offended by soy products, Soy sauce, Tofu, Natto, or Miso. Although, I never could actually stand Natto, nastly stuff, kind of like Vegemite.

      Of course, any one taking any kind of offensive action, verbal, pictoral, or textual, against any one because of their gender identification, that is just wrong. Now within my lifetime, some words were perfectly acceptable in polite company, but now they are not. Same with being a jerk as regards gender, no longer acceptable. You may think that I am a guy, given the masculine ending of my handle. What do you base that on? Do you not realize that the Isle of Samos is only (so to speak) a stone's throw from the Isle of Lesbos? Have you not read the poem of Sapphos? Wait, why am I asking. We will just have to sue you bastards.

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      • (Score: 2) by c0lo on Wednesday August 20 2014, @06:50AM

        by c0lo (156) Subscriber Badge on Wednesday August 20 2014, @06:50AM (#83418) Journal

        nastly stuff, kind of like Vegemite.[...] We will just have to sue you bastards.

        Say what?
        Dam'd, just where the today people keep their gauntlets?

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    • (Score: 2, Insightful) by hybristic on Wednesday August 20 2014, @06:48AM

      by hybristic (10) on Wednesday August 20 2014, @06:48AM (#83417) Journal

      If you single out something like Misogyny, then you've entered into sexist territory which this rule is trying to prevent. Why is it okay to hate men, but ban hating women? It's very one sided. These words are parallel. The GP was not suggesting that by being against misogyny they are okay with Cambodian sex trafficking, instead the GP points out that it's counter intuitive to only select one side of a two sided coin. Should ONLY women be protected online? Fark should work to prevent hateful comments across the board of that's the principals they stand by. Instead it seems like they only care about one sex.

      • (Score: 4, Informative) by Konomi on Wednesday August 20 2014, @07:23AM

        by Konomi (189) on Wednesday August 20 2014, @07:23AM (#83425)

        I think it's more they are targeting a specific problem they see as a much larger occurrence on their website, I don't really see doing such a thing as a problem. And just because they specifically target one problem area does not mean they are neglecting the rest. If you read their FAQ they cover a lot of unacceptable behaviour http://www.fark.com/farq/posting/#Aside_from_.22not_safe_for_work.22_posts.2C_the_following_are_also_unacceptable: [fark.com] Including hate speech based on gender which would include males.

      • (Score: 1, Flamebait) by aristarchus on Wednesday August 20 2014, @07:30AM

        by aristarchus (2645) on Wednesday August 20 2014, @07:30AM (#83428) Journal

        Yes, only one sex. I was astounded (yes, my stound was assed) to see "ladies only" cars on Japanese trains. Why? Oh why. I have long pointed out, to those males who do not have daughters, that you should imagine what it is like to have a bunch of testosterone driven idiots after your butt. Put yourself in the opposite position. If you have a daughter, your male protective instincts should kick in, but it is not enough. We need visuals.

        It used to be that the number one paranoid hallucination was that the CIA (fortunately, we can pick from more TLAs these days) was broadcasting radio waves to control your mind. Fortunatly, tinfoil hats were invented. But the most common paranoid delusion (excuse me if I do not provide a citation, since it would only confirm your delusion) is that there are naked pictures of you on the internet! This is an advance, since this is much more likely than radio mind-control. But just think about the source of this anxiety: Men, looking at naked pictures of you! Yeah, no problem, read 'em and weep! Except they keep looking. Looking at you, well, like you look at women. Like a piece of meat, an object of their desire. Don't they even want to get to know you? Have dinner first, maybe a movie? Guys are homophobic exactly because they KNOW that gay guys look at them EXACTLY the way they look at women, and they don't like it. So, put yourself in the other person's position. How would you like it?

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        • (Score: 4, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday August 20 2014, @10:04AM

          by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday August 20 2014, @10:04AM (#83463)

          You are sounding very sexist there.

          you should imagine what it is like to have a bunch of testosterone driven idiots after your butt.

          But just think about the source of this anxiety: Men, looking at naked pictures of you!

          Guys are homophobic

          How would you like it?

          I know I don't like sexism when I see it, and I see it now.

          • (Score: 2) by aristarchus on Thursday August 21 2014, @07:43AM

            by aristarchus (2645) on Thursday August 21 2014, @07:43AM (#83859) Journal

            STOP looking at me! I never approved those photos! If you prick me, do I not. . . oh, forget it.

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      • (Score: -1, Flamebait) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday August 20 2014, @09:44AM

        by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday August 20 2014, @09:44AM (#83457)

        "Why is it okay to hate men, but ban hating women?"

        Maybe because men are big, loud, smelly, hairy, violent, selfish, uncivilized apes?

        Tim Allen explained it all. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J7H3hMQl2Rs [youtube.com]

      • (Score: 2, Interesting) by Buck Feta on Wednesday August 20 2014, @10:38AM

        by Buck Feta (958) on Wednesday August 20 2014, @10:38AM (#83479) Journal
        Probably they are just putting out the fires that are burning rather than attempting to prevent all the fires that could burn.

        While it doesn't sound very evenhanded, it's a practical way of dealing with what is a rather asymmetric problem.
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      • (Score: 4, Informative) by mojo chan on Wednesday August 20 2014, @12:12PM

        by mojo chan (266) on Wednesday August 20 2014, @12:12PM (#83494)

        Saying it's not okay to hate black people does not imply that you think it's okay to hate white people. Saying it's not okay to hate women does not imply it's okay to hate men. Saying misogyny is not okay does not imply that misandry is okay.

        Fark doesn't have a major problem with misandry. When men say perfectly innocent things they don't usually get a torrent of abuse and rape threats from women. That's probably why they neglected to mention it, but I'm sure if it ever did become a problem they would have something to say. You are just trying to make a controversy out of nothing.

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        • (Score: 3, Insightful) by Boxzy on Wednesday August 20 2014, @03:03PM

          by Boxzy (742) on Wednesday August 20 2014, @03:03PM (#83553) Journal

          The important thing isn't to be fair and even handed, it's TO BE SEEN to be fair and even handed. These arguments that you don't need even and equitable rules are ignoring the facts, if the rules applied to everyone equally we wouldn't be arguing about it.

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        • (Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday August 20 2014, @03:59PM

          by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday August 20 2014, @03:59PM (#83582)

          Men get it just as much as women. The real problem is one of perception, because part of the male gender role is to take any abuse without showing physical or emotional "weakness," while women are very quick to begin damselling upon the slightest infraction. The squeaky wheel gets the grease. If you have a penis, your abuse is greatly amplified if you squeak at all.

        • (Score: 1) by Lazarus on Wednesday August 20 2014, @04:22PM

          by Lazarus (2769) on Wednesday August 20 2014, @04:22PM (#83592)

          Fark has had a serious bigot problem for a long time. They should deal with all the racism and homophobia too, so we don't have to individually block all the idiots to get to a reasonable signal to noise ratio.

        • (Score: 1) by cubancigar11 on Thursday August 21 2014, @06:36AM

          by cubancigar11 (330) on Thursday August 21 2014, @06:36AM (#83845) Homepage Journal

          I have a story to tell:

          Emperor Akbar called Birbal because he wanted to prove that he is indeed his most brilliant adviser among other rivals advisers. They had drawn a line and were asking Birbal to make it longer without modifying it.

          Birbal drew a smaller line.

          In other words, putting a lens in front of one problem does make the other problem look bad. There *is* misandry in real life. You don't see it often because we are still in a patriarchal society that teaches women to talk 'women stuff' to women only. You will never see public misandry because most women don't get involved directly - they have their brothers, boyfriend, father etc. for that. If you are thinking a time will come when women will talk about raping men, you may be talking about a future that might never pass and will not pass in at least 1000 years at its best estimate. Men are raised to be confrontational, with the idea that they need to be 'alpha' (guess who teaches them that), so you will always find misogyny being propagated, on a loudspeaker, from average men.

          Misogyny doesn't exist in a void, independent of what (most) women think of men.

  • (Score: 5, Insightful) by Magic Oddball on Wednesday August 20 2014, @07:17AM

    by Magic Oddball (3847) on Wednesday August 20 2014, @07:17AM (#83423) Journal

    That makes no more sense than saying "omg that means they must be cool with bashing brown-haired people!!!"

    Note that the issues mentioned are virtually never said with men as the targets:

    Banned headlines include rape jokes, calling women as a group "whores" or "sluts" or similar demeaning terminology, and jokes suggesting that a woman who suffered a crime was somehow asking for it.

    Exactly how often have *you* seen posts/comments/etc. where people were laughing about a guy that was raped, calling men sluts/whores, or making jokes about a guy 'asked' to be beaten/raped/etc.?

    Or to be even more specific, when did you last see *women* posting those things?

    As the actual article points out: if you're that desperate to swap jokes about women being raped, there's always Reddit's /r/mensrights...

    • (Score: 4, Informative) by pTamok on Wednesday August 20 2014, @07:32AM

      by pTamok (3042) on Wednesday August 20 2014, @07:32AM (#83429)

      Exactly how often have *you* seen posts/comments/etc. where people were laughing about a guy that was raped, calling men sluts/whores, or making jokes about a guy 'asked' to be beaten/raped/etc.?

      Addressing this point, almost every time a report is made of someone going to prison in the USA. Any online discussion that includes the topic of prisons in the USA will almost certainly include a joking reference to homosexual rape. It seems to be accepted in the USA that this is normal, acceptable, behaviour.

      • (Score: 2) by jimshatt on Wednesday August 20 2014, @10:05AM

        by jimshatt (978) on Wednesday August 20 2014, @10:05AM (#83464) Journal
        Guys can take it! Okay okay, sorry. Seriously though, Fark also states that jokes about guys being raped are not okay. I, for one, are okay with almost any and all jokes, but this is my personal view. Misogyny and misandry are not okay when it is actually intended as such. Most sexist jokes are so overt they can be seen as parodying sexism itself, so the joke is on sexism and not the gender being joked about.
        As I see it both the insulter and the insultee are guilty, usually. We have to find a balance between trying not to insult and trying not to be insulted (the balance is probably *not* somewhere in the middle).
      • (Score: 3, Insightful) by mojo chan on Wednesday August 20 2014, @12:14PM

        by mojo chan (266) on Wednesday August 20 2014, @12:14PM (#83495)

        That doesn't seem to misandry though, as in hatred of men specifically because of their gender. Homophobia, acceptance/trivializing of rape culture in jails, and definitely wrong, but not misandry per-se.

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        • (Score: 1) by GeminiDomino on Wednesday August 20 2014, @06:26PM

          by GeminiDomino (661) on Wednesday August 20 2014, @06:26PM (#83637)

          Then what makes acceptance/trivializing rape of women "misogyny?"

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    • (Score: 4, Informative) by unauthorized on Wednesday August 20 2014, @08:22AM

      by unauthorized (3776) on Wednesday August 20 2014, @08:22AM (#83441)

      Exactly how often have *you* seen posts/comments/etc. where people were laughing about a guy that was raped

      Very [orain.org] often. The vast majority all fictional examples of comedic rape are performed on men.

    • (Score: 1, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday August 20 2014, @10:00AM

      by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday August 20 2014, @10:00AM (#83462)

      Every time a woman hits a man. Every time a woman kills a man. It is always 'he was asking for it' 'he deserved it' and so on. Nevermind the majority of unreciprocated domestic abuse is by women.

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday August 21 2014, @10:08PM

        by Anonymous Coward on Thursday August 21 2014, @10:08PM (#84123)

        ^Citation Needed