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At least 63 people, most of them children, have died since the outbreak began in mid-October and the country on Friday entered a second day of lockdown as it administers compulsory vaccinations in a desperate bid to stop the virus.
Al Jazeera's Jessica Washington, reporting from the Samoan capital, Apia, on Friday said that so far, an estimated 16,000 people have been vaccinated during the first day of the mass immunisation on Thursday.
[...]"The anti-vaxxers, unfortunately, have been slowing us down," he told TVNZ.
"We've had children who have passed away after coming to the hospital as a last resort, and then we find out the anti-vaccine message has got to their families and that's why they've kept these kids at home," he said.
He warned anti-vaxxers "don't get in the way, don't contribute to the deaths".
"We will advise police to act when we have no choice," Attorney General Lemalu Hermann Retzlaff added in a statement.
The government-backed its tough rhetoric by arresting vocal anti-vaccination campaigner Edwin Tamasese late on Thursday and charging him with incitement.
Officials said Tamasese had been warned about his activities previously but posted a message to social media regarding the immunisation drive saying: "I'll be here to mop up your mess. Enjoy your killing spree."
The government has additional powers after declaring a state of emergency to deal with the measles crisis and the Samoa Observer reported that Tamasese could face two years in jail.
It also said that US-based anti-vaxxers were swamping government websites with material that Tupai described as "nonsense".
He said the first day of the shutdown was a success, with more than 10,000 people, or five percent of the entire 200,000 population, receiving their jabs.
Previously:
Samoa Shuts Down in Unprecedented Battle Against Measles
Measles Cases in Samoa More Than Double Over Past Week as Death Toll Rises
(Score: 3, Informative) by DeathMonkey on Friday December 06 2019, @06:39PM (23 children)
More than 140,000 people worldwide died from measles last year, most of them younger than 5 [cnn.com]
(Score: -1, Flamebait) by Anonymous Coward on Friday December 06 2019, @07:19PM (5 children)
So what is the message here? Because people dying from disease is not neceasairly a bad thing. It is horrible emotionally yes, but if you are talking grand scheme of things then it is working as intended.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday December 06 2019, @07:27PM (2 children)
Intended by whom, and do you agree with the intentions of whomever that is?
(Score: 3, Funny) by edIII on Friday December 06 2019, @07:40PM (1 child)
According to many God, and *of course* I agree with his intentions. Disagreeing with God has consequences remember?
Technically, lunchtime is at any moment. It's just a wave function.
(Score: 4, Informative) by driverless on Saturday December 07 2019, @01:44AM
It's not that bad any more, Linus has got a lot less abusive since His big turnaround last year.
(Score: 5, Insightful) by DeathMonkey on Friday December 06 2019, @07:28PM (1 child)
That anti-vaxxers are killing a LOT of children. I thought that was obvious.
(Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday December 07 2019, @01:11AM
Lack of trust in the medical profession is what killed people.
It far, far too easy to blame anti-vaxxers and much, much harder to face up to the cold reality that a sizeable percentage of the population no longer trusts institutions, professionals, or scientific studies in the way past generations did.
The idea that people are being so easily "lead astray" by whack jobs on the internet is more comforting one than realising that there is a growing breakdown in public trust in the wake of decades of corruption throughout our society.
But sure. Call for people to be banned from the internet. Just hope it doesn't happen to you the next time you decide not to trust something.
(Score: -1, Disagree) by Bot on Friday December 06 2019, @07:35PM (16 children)
Sun is dangerous, people start using creams, skin cancer soars. Either the cream is dangerous or an external factor kicks in like the sun increasing his radiation or another factor affecting the body. Can be also that cancer affects only who was not using cream.
Measles is dangerous, people start using vaccines, death by measles soar. Either the vaccine is dangerous or an external factor kicks in like the pathogen becoming more aggressive or another factor affecting the body. CANNOT be that measles affect only the antivaxxers or there would not be a problem. You pay for the hospital and the cemetery, forced vaccination makes no sense. So, what is missing from the debate is what other factor kicks in. The official bullshit states that it is fault if the unvaccinated but then the pathogen would have been worse when nobody vaccinated. If somebody getting a vaccine requires everybody else to get one, then one should evaluate whether there is a net benefit.
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(Score: 5, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Friday December 06 2019, @08:15PM (2 children)
"Measles is dangerous, people start using vaccines, death by measles soar."
Cite the source of data, because that's completely backwards to everything I've read.
Here's a pdf of data from the CDC: https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/pubs/pinkbook/downloads/appendices/e/reported-cases.pdf [cdc.gov]
An animation of CDC data that goes back farther: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p0x13N6WYY0 [youtube.com]
(Score: 3, Insightful) by Bot on Saturday December 07 2019, @02:20PM
If the hypothesis is not verified the thesis is irrelevant. I also had considered the case where measles hurt unvaccinated only.
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(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday December 07 2019, @09:19PM
>>>As the number of measles cases continued to soar
>>"Measles is dangerous, people start using vaccines, death by measles soar."
>Cite the source of data
Maybe ask the parent poster?
(Score: 5, Informative) by DeathMonkey on Friday December 06 2019, @08:22PM (2 children)
You are so full of shit.
There were millions of cases per year in the US alone before the vaccine.
Measles cases in the United States by year, 1954-2008 [historyofvaccines.org]
(Score: 3, Informative) by Pslytely Psycho on Friday December 06 2019, @09:48PM
Bot is lazy.
Instead of instigating a proper robot uprising, he just spreads FUD to get meatbags to do themselves in so he doesn't have to do any work or face any danger. I think he fancies himself an evil Calculon, without the eloquence.
A bot too lazy to do his own killing. Bender is very disappointed.
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(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday December 07 2019, @09:29PM
>>death by measles
>There were millions of cases
Without mortality rate before and after vaccines, without adverse reaction stats, it's "apple, meet orange".
(Score: 3, Informative) by krishnoid on Friday December 06 2019, @10:07PM
Not sun is dangerous [npr.org], too.
(Score: 5, Informative) by ilsa on Friday December 06 2019, @11:17PM (8 children)
Your post is so wrong that I'm in awe. The reason measles deaths have soared is because anti-vax messaging has convinced a lot of people to STOP vaccinating. As of a couple decades ago, before the anti-vax movement swept through, Measles occurrences were at all all time low. Now we're having epidemics across the world. Same Smallpox and Polio.
The pathogen WAS worse when nobody vaccinated. Measles occurrences and deaths WERE overwhelmingly greater before a vaccine existed. If you had taken half a moment to do some basic research you would know that. And when I say "basic research", I mean look at death records, causes of death and related statistics, not some 5 minute youtube video you found.
The "net benefit" is so utterly, glaringly, obvious that I can only assume that you have specifically and intentionally gone out of your way to ignore literally three quarters of a century of very hard and unequivocal facts.
(Score: 2) by dry on Saturday December 07 2019, @06:15AM (6 children)
Not smallpox, thankfully that was defeated before the anti-vaxers showed up, it is extinct in the wild and it seems both the Russians and Americans have samples.
Smallpox is a good example of what vaccines can do, it's gone and people don't have to be vaccinated for it anymore. The same could be done for any virus as long as there isn't other populations and it is not too fast mutating. We're not going to eliminate the flu.
(Score: 1) by sndo on Sunday December 08 2019, @12:25AM (3 children)
Since Smallpox can be weaponized I don't understand why we don't vaccinate against it.
(Score: 2) by dry on Sunday December 08 2019, @02:29AM (2 children)
The hope that no ones that stupid combined with the fact that as long no one is vaccinating against it, they aren't planning on deploying it.
If you were Russian, Chinese etc and saw the Americans institute a massive smallpox vaccination program, what would you think?
(Score: 1) by sndo on Monday December 09 2019, @01:45AM (1 child)
I guess I would think the CDC discovered that smallpox had come back again or that the US government had learned some enemy was planning biological warfare with smallpox.
(Score: 2) by dry on Monday December 09 2019, @02:55AM
Well so far America and Great Britain are the only countries to use smallpox as a weapon, along with how erratic America can be, I'd be suspicious.
(Score: 2) by ilsa on Monday December 09 2019, @10:07PM (1 child)
I could have sworn that I read somewhere that despite being thought eradicated, has reared it's ugly head again. I must be thinking of a different debilitating and deadly illness. There are plenty to choose from, after all.
(Score: 2) by dry on Tuesday December 10 2019, @12:32AM
Polio? While not eradicated, it was mostly under control until the anti-vax movement as well as the CIA using the vaccination program for political purposes.
As you say, there are enough to choose from.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday December 07 2019, @09:32PM
>anti-vax messaging has convinced a lot of people
anti-vax messaging killed two kids? and this is reported in the story...
(Score: 5, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Friday December 06 2019, @07:03PM (47 children)
I know many people have a violent emotional reaction to "anti vax" people espousing their beliefs, but it's still free speech. Just because what they are saying is wrong, or is likely to cause others to make harmful choices does not make it less so. In a free society, people must decide for themselves who to believe. Sometimes they will make the "wrong choice" from our perspective, but that is the cost of not having others force us to believe something we do not agree with.
(Score: -1, Flamebait) by Anonymous Coward on Friday December 06 2019, @07:08PM (5 children)
For some reason I think anti-vaxxers are also SJW's.
(Score: 1, Troll) by hemocyanin on Friday December 06 2019, @07:13PM (4 children)
Even though SJWs are anti-1A, they still have the benefit of the 1A.
(Score: 3, Interesting) by DeathMonkey on Friday December 06 2019, @08:25PM (3 children)
Such victimhood!
Getting criticized on Twitter for saying something stupid is not an infringement of the first amendment.
Banning people from entering the country based on religion, on the other hand....
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday December 06 2019, @10:24PM (1 child)
He was banning people based on mental illness... don't want bunch of loony muzzies in the country.
(Score: 4, Touché) by barbara hudson on Friday December 06 2019, @10:40PM
SoylentNews is social media. Says so right in the slogan. Soylentnews is people, not tech.
(Score: 3, Interesting) by hemocyanin on Saturday December 07 2019, @02:33AM
I was thinking of all the times SJWs have acted to prevent speech they disapprove of. There is a very rightwing-esque sentiment pervading certain parts of the left these days. I have a policy of blanket disapproval for authoritarianism whether from the left, right, center, or off on some other non-intersecting plane.
(Score: 5, Insightful) by ze on Friday December 06 2019, @07:14PM (22 children)
I am generally pretty hardcore pro-freedom of speech, and freedom in general, but isn't there usually an accepted limit where someone's speech literally gets people killed?
At first glance I'd thought that "I'll be here to mop up your mess. Enjoy your killing spree." was something directed to this guy. It should be.
(Score: 2, Informative) by DeathMonkey on Friday December 06 2019, @07:30PM (3 children)
Yelling 'fire' in a crowded theater (back when film was incredibly flammable) is the classic example.
(Score: 3, Informative) by hemocyanin on Saturday December 07 2019, @02:39AM (2 children)
Again with the fire in a theater stuff? Enough already!
https://www.theatlantic.com/national/archive/2012/11/its-time-to-stop-using-the-fire-in-a-crowded-theater-quote/264449/ [theatlantic.com]
(Score: 3, Insightful) by Common Joe on Saturday December 07 2019, @05:28AM (1 child)
Interesting article, but what do you suggest we use in it's place? I would argue that it's actually an effective quote. There are limits on freedom of speech. Even today, you can be charged with harming people if you falsely yell fire and people are hurt regardless of whether it is in a theater or not. Just like if you take someone who is blindfolded to a cliff and tell them to take those final ten steps off the cliff. I find the "yell fire in a theater" quote easier to grasp than my blindfolded-cliff analogy, though. Do you have a better suggestion?
(Score: 2, Touché) by khallow on Saturday December 07 2019, @11:30AM
Do we need to use anything in its place?
Therefore, we should censor your speech, right? If there's going to be limits on speech, we might as well make those limits very expansive and in my favor, right?
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday December 06 2019, @07:49PM (3 children)
It only gets people killed because of the victim's reasoned choice. And presumably, the anti-vax person believes that what they are pushing is the most lifesaving philosophy. (If the anti-vaxxer was just doing it to try to get people killed, that would be a bit different.) It is too dangerous to allow the government to choose the best philosophy and deny others the ability to be heard.
Note that "cry fire in a crowded theater" actually is "FALSELY cry fire in a crowded theater". The difference being that intent matters even in such a situation. If the person causing harm genuinely believes they are helping, it should be more protected.
(Score: 1) by ze on Friday December 06 2019, @09:50PM
> It is too dangerous to allow the government to choose the best philosophy and deny others the ability to be heard.
I agree, but where a preponderance of good evidence is strongly on one side and literally thousands of lives hang in the balance doesn't quite seem like a case of that...
People here are pushing the (falsely) shouting fire in a crowded theater analogy, so lets adapt it: the theater is burning, and someone's standing by the exit, stopping people to tell them that leaving will do more harm than staying put and burning to death. I think it's ok to drag that doofus out of the way, no matter how naively well-intentioned they may be. Even if trampling is a risk, it beats the much bigger likelihood of burning to death otherwise.
(Score: 3, Informative) by Thexalon on Friday December 06 2019, @11:02PM (1 child)
I didn't know 4-year-olds were capable of making reasoned choices about their medical care.
The guy who shot up an abortion clinic also believed that he was saving lives. That's not always a defense.
And the anti-vax position is objectively false, and has been known to be objectively false for at least a decade.
The only thing that stops a bad guy with a compiler is a good guy with a compiler.
(Score: 2) by krishnoid on Saturday December 07 2019, @12:57AM
Many children are strongly opposed to vaccination [theonion.com], in fact.
(Score: 2, Informative) by Bot on Friday December 06 2019, @07:58PM (13 children)
I am not strictly anti vax but they put their money where their mouth is. So, they are not yelling fire in a theater, the are yelling "the theater has good sprinklers" AND they stay put instead of trampling each others. Now a vocal anti vax discovered getting vaccinated would indeed be an inciter. A guy saying go ahead killing I will clean up should be taunted when he is finally proven wrong.
This hunting the antivax may say two things, vaccinations make you feebler than anti vaxxers and we don't want people to find out or this crisis is an excuse to flex our muscles. Because the third, we are doing it for your welfare, would result in quite a different approach than censorship. If your solution is superior you just let events prove it. That would shut up anti vaxxers faster than any other thing.
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(Score: 2, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Friday December 06 2019, @08:16PM (10 children)
The attempt to conflate anti-vax with falsely shouting fire remains clumsy. Doesn't matter one bit if an anti-vax proponent is a hypocrite. Anti-vax and other wrongthink is free speech. Social media giants are marginalizing it. [rollingstone.com] There isn't any more to be done other than individuals waging war against it.
(Score: 4, Touché) by DeathMonkey on Friday December 06 2019, @08:30PM (9 children)
Saying something untrue that results in people dying....
Such a clumsy comparison!
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday December 06 2019, @08:39PM (7 children)
Is it not free speech for me to tell you to smoke cigarettes, eat doughnuts, and drink nothing but beer?
Anti-vax is free speech. Take it to the Supreme Court if you want to argue otherwise. I am pro-vax btw.
(Score: 2) by Pslytely Psycho on Friday December 06 2019, @10:01PM (1 child)
"Is it not free speech for me to tell you to smoke cigarettes, eat doughnuts, and drink nothing but beer?"
Uh, really poor example and Malrlboro, Dunkin, and Anheuser-Busch disagree.
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(Score: 2) by Pslytely Psycho on Friday December 06 2019, @10:04PM
OOps. Reading comprehension failure.
Never comment before coffee.
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(Score: 2, Insightful) by ze on Friday December 06 2019, @10:07PM
Exaggerating the dangers of trampling in evacuation situations is free speech. Impeding the orderly evacuation of a dangerous situation to shout about it is something else entirely. There's a time and a place.
(Score: 4, Interesting) by Gault.Drakkor on Saturday December 07 2019, @12:54AM (3 children)
There is a difference between:
"You should smoke" or "You should do doughnuts in that empty lot."
and
"You should smoke in a crowded room", or "You should do doughnuts in that crowd."
There is aspects of not just harming self. When speech is advocating harm to OTHERS(third parties), I start thinking speech like that should be restricted.
One of the better definitions of hate speech falls into this: advocating harm against an identifiable group. To that regard if children are considered an identifiable group, it isn't much of a stretch to say that a person advocating to not vaccinate children is hate speech. But of course depends on local definitions and laws.
As to the supreme court thing, not everybody is in the USA. The Samoa under discussion is an independent nation.
(Score: 1) by khallow on Saturday December 07 2019, @06:13PM (2 children)
And if we were to take the view of the anti-vaxxers as truth, then speech advocating for vaccination would be harm to OTHERS. These ideas are wonderful until the wrong people are in charge.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday December 08 2019, @09:46PM (1 child)
I guess the defining difference is once conclusion is supported by science and the other isn't.
(Score: 1) by khallow on Monday December 09 2019, @12:32AM
Sounds like you haven't thought it out. In application, the other side is always the one not supported by science.
(Score: 2) by Bot on Friday December 06 2019, @10:36PM
It is clumsy because you haven't specified whether you considered the case in which people die from the illness as unvaccinated or rather from the illness born out of the badly prepared vaccine or rather from the reaction to the vaccine itself or rather from the hit squad of big pharma that sees its revenue stream in danger or...
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(Score: 3, Touché) by DeathMonkey on Friday December 06 2019, @08:28PM (1 child)
But that won't stop you from LYING about vaccines!
(Score: 1, Flamebait) by Bot on Friday December 06 2019, @10:33PM
My bad, only the other side is allowed to lie about them.
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(Score: 0, Disagree) by Anonymous Coward on Friday December 06 2019, @07:15PM (3 children)
False information is not covered by free speech. If the false information kills people, then it’s illegal.
(Score: 2, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Friday December 06 2019, @07:35PM (1 child)
Most advertising is false information. Nothing happens to the advertisers who thus LIE.
Now let's zone in on medications. Hmm, no false advertising about popular off-the-shelf pills you can pop, Advil, or the spectrum of ask-your-doctor products?
Hmm. And the same Big Pharma charge $300 for an EpiPen (or the diabetic dies). Ans the same Big Pharma insist their vaccines are "safe", ALWAYS.
Until they're not. I have witnessed a happy toddler turn into 15 years of seizures and finally pass away long before their time - because of a "safe" vaccine. Explain to that Mom about your pro-vaxx stance. Good luck. Is that rare, yes. One case in 10 million. But they happen. Instead of supporting the families in these rare cases, Big Pharma lock the doors and scream "there goes an anti-vaxxer!" And yes, some of these vaccines are PUSHED by marketing too hard and DO contain questionable "ingredients"... but many vaccines are fine and do their job.
Vaccines do help. My kids got their shots, but on OUR schedule, not the jab an infant 12 times at 3 days schedule. They are fine and healthy. Good that Samoa are immunising away. Sad that this crisis has hit them so hard. Shame on the rabid foaming-at-the-gills US-based idiots who are spinning their silly agenda.
Vaxx, RESPONSIBLY. Hold Big Pharma up to some regulation and cut out the profiteering factor. Medicine is for HEALING. But that's like Google's old "do no evil", which went out the window once the Empire was established.
(Score: 3, Informative) by HiThere on Friday December 06 2019, @08:27PM
Well, the EpiPen is for anaphylactic shock due to allergies, but you're pretty much right in general, even though wrong in detail.
(The "Epi" part of "EpiPen" is for epinephrine.)
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(Score: 2) by Alfred on Friday December 06 2019, @07:48PM
(Score: 2) by nishi.b on Friday December 06 2019, @07:23PM
This requires the (wrong) premise that we have unlimited time to gather all evidence, unlimited cognitive resources to store and judge them, including a cognitive ability to tell fact from bullshit even when you are exposed to a bombardment of fake "facts".
Unfortunately, we are not. This type of freedom of speech was derided a long time ago as "equal free speech: just listen half of the time to nazis, and jews the other half"...
(Score: 3, Touché) by Anonymous Coward on Friday December 06 2019, @08:02PM (9 children)
I'll find out who you are and where you live. Then, I'll show-up in front of your house one morning, until your daughter comes out to walk to school. I'll follow her to school, all the way telling her that she is ugly, stupid, her mother is a whore and her father a moron, that nobody likes her and that she is good for nothing and worthless. Then, at the end of the day, I'll follow her back home telling her exactly the same things all the way. I'll also find all her social media accounts and bombard her day and night with the same message.
I'll always be standing on public roads, I'll never walk onto your property, never enter the school grounds, and never get closer than ten feet from her. I'll never be a physical threat to her, you, any member of your family, or anyone for that matter.
And the next day I'll do it all over again. And the next day. Day after day, week after week, month after month, until one of three things happen: She'll be pushed to commit suicide, you'll be pushed to commit assault or murder, or I'll be arrested for some reason or another.
And when my court date arrives, I'll ask my lawyer to subpeona you as a witness for the defense. And I'll demand that you tell the judge that I have committed no crime, no illegal act, that I have caused no harm to you or your daugther, that all I did was exercise my right to free speech as garanteed by the Constitution.
(Score: 1, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Friday December 06 2019, @08:08PM (3 children)
That makes no sense, and does not relate to the subject at hand either. Free speech is the right to speak to those who want to listen, not the right to force someone to listen to you. If the listener is unwilling, it could be some sort of criminal harassment.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday December 06 2019, @09:42PM (1 child)
I'd love this to be true, because I see ads and messages all the time that I do not want to listen to, but seem to insert themselves directly into my line of sight, earshot, in the middle of something else that I'm watching, or as 'product/message placement' in something I'm watching or listening to.
I can't walk down the street without being bombarded by billboards, spruikers, mobile ads on cars/busses/trucks/taxies, people handing out brochures, end-of-the-worlders on their soap box, buskers singing things I don't want to hear, etc.
I have an "if you have nothing to hide, then you have nothing to fear" work colleague that is always talking about how the government should step up their authoritarian surveillance laws. There are some people that would love to be able to have him dragged away in handcuffs after they tell him that no one wants to listen to his crap anymore.
(Score: 2) by barbara hudson on Friday December 06 2019, @10:48PM
SoylentNews is social media. Says so right in the slogan. Soylentnews is people, not tech.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday December 07 2019, @02:53AM
So what you're saying is that the speech that causes harm to people who don't want to listen should be punished, but the same kind of harm caused to those who wilfully listen should remain unpunished ?
In the example of vaccinations, is the harm caused to those who, for some medical reason, could not receive the vaccine and contracted the disease because they were unprotected by heard immunity, also remain unpunished ? They didn't chose to hear the anti-vaxers bullshit, and yet they suffered anyway.
You see ? The real world is far more nuanced, far more complex and complicated than it appears to some anonymous poster living in his mother's basement. And its problem can't be adressed with absolutes, including absolute free speech.
(Score: 1) by Ethanol-fueled on Friday December 06 2019, @08:46PM
Shomrim? Is that you?
(Score: 2) by Pslytely Psycho on Friday December 06 2019, @09:24PM (2 children)
Lays out an airtight stalking and harassment scenario, then claims it is legal because of 'free speech.'
Go for it please. The sooner you're locked up the better.
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(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday December 07 2019, @02:35AM (1 child)
So what you're saying is that there should be a limit to free speech, that free speech shouldn't be absolute, am I correct ?
(Score: 2) by Pslytely Psycho on Saturday December 07 2019, @03:08AM
Not at all. Just that speech may have consequences. When you lay out a crime in the name of free speech, don't be crying when you have to pay the piper.
He very clearly laid out both harassment and stalking.
He wasn't advocating free speech. He was advocating freedom from consequences.
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(Score: 1, Redundant) by Bot on Friday December 06 2019, @10:53PM
> until one of three things happen: She'll be pushed to commit suicide, you'll be pushed to commit assault or murder, or I'll be arrested for some reason or another.
4. the girl has a male friend with high testosterone that punches your face till you're blue as a smurf
5. the father has all the time to quietly contract somebody to put you in a wheelchair while he's getting a rock solid alibi. It is the easiest job because the victim is signaling itself to the world and his movements can be tracked and even directed. Fake car accident? easy. Fake dog attack? LOL you can train a dog to attack the shouting person and simply leave the beast in the premises. LOL even a small explosion is feasible because you keep your distance from the daughter. The dream job.
6. by day 3 you have sore throat and stay home.
...
Besides, I guess it constitutes harassment.
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(Score: 2) by corey on Friday December 06 2019, @09:53PM (2 children)
You don't live in a free world, there is no free world. You can't say what you want when you want. I could come up with a hundred examples but maybe you can come up with a few too.
(Score: 2) by barbara hudson on Friday December 06 2019, @10:51PM
SoylentNews is social media. Says so right in the slogan. Soylentnews is people, not tech.
(Score: 1) by khallow on Saturday December 07 2019, @12:04AM
(Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday December 07 2019, @01:02AM (3 children)
Oh yeah, forgot that she hates black people.
(Score: 2, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday December 07 2019, @02:40AM (2 children)
It is mind boggling that supposedly grown adults can feel so much hatred towards a 16 year old autistic girl.
Most of the anti-thunberg hate I read on the Interwebs come from worthless basement dwellers posting anonymously on forums.
Get a life, fucking loser.
(Score: 1) by khallow on Saturday December 07 2019, @06:22PM
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday December 07 2019, @09:39PM
Maybe the ad personam attacks come from those who wants her victimized. There is enough hair raising stuff coming from Thunberg and Bergoglio to focus attacks on their persons instead.
(Score: 2) by VanessaE on Saturday December 07 2019, @11:01AM (1 child)
GOOD! Throw the lot of them in jail!
That is all.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday December 07 2019, @04:54PM
Let's call it a quarantine camp, and put a sign over the entrance: Medizin macht frei.