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A federal judge on Tuesday roasted Arkansas' law banning makers of meatless meat products from using words such as "burger," "sausage," "roast," and "meat" in their labeling.
[...] Judge Kristine Baker, of the US District Court for the Eastern District of Arkansas, granted a preliminary injunction that prevents the state from enforcing the law while the legal case is ongoing. In her order, Judge Baker made clear that the law appears to violate the Free Speech Clause of the First Amendment—as Tofurky argued. She determined that the state will likely lose the case.
[...] "The State argues that Tofurky's labels for its plant-based products are inherently misleading because they use the names and descriptors of traditional meat items but do not actually include the product they invoke, including terms like 'chorizo,' 'hot dogs,' 'sausage,' and 'ham roast,'" Judge Baker noted. Such misleading or false labels would not be protected commercial speech under the First Amendment, the state claimed.But Judge Baker essentially called that argument bologna.
[...] She went on to cite a ruling in a similar case that determined that "Under Plaintiffs' logic, a reasonable consumer might also believe that veggie bacon contains pork, that flourless chocolate cake contains flour, or that e-books are made out of paper.""That assumption is unwarranted," she went on. "The labels in the record evidence include ample terminology to indicate the vegan or vegetarian nature of the products."
[...] Meat and dairy industry groups have been increasingly working to try to limit the use of terms like "milk" and "meat" in other states and contexts as meatless and diary-free products continue to grow in popularity. Missouri, Mississippi, Louisiana, and South Dakota have similar anti-veggie-meat labeling laws. In Wisconsin, lawmakers have considered banning non-dairy products from using the word "milk," such as beverages labeled almond milk.The latter issue led former FDA commissioner Scott Gottlieb to quip last year that "You know, an almond doesn't lactate." He said that the Food and Drug Administration is working on a guidance for the use of the term.
https://arstechnica.com/science/2019/12/judge-serves-up-sizzling-rebuke-of-arkansas-anti-veggie-meat-labeling-law/
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(Score: 3, Insightful) by barbara hudson on Saturday December 14 2019, @05:33PM (18 children)
Same as if you want to label something as fruit juice it has to contain 20% real juice, otherwise it's fruit drink, and doesn't have to contain any fruit juice. Stupid parents buying juice boxes with as much real juice as Koop-aid.
As for the rest, labels saying it's vegetarian or vegan are sufficient.
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(Score: 2, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday December 14 2019, @07:21PM (1 child)
uhh i think milk can mean the "drinkable squeezings"?
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/milk [merriam-webster.com]
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday December 15 2019, @02:03AM
Milk of Magnesia... Beyond Milk?
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday December 14 2019, @07:51PM (3 children)
Human Babies shouldn’t be drinking cows milk (assuming that is what you mean by “milk” here).
(Score: 3, Interesting) by barbara hudson on Saturday December 14 2019, @09:12PM
Stop pushing Nestle's bullshit about baby formula being better. It's not. In cases where the mother's milk is high levels of DDT and lead (yes, we are still dealing with those), cow's / goat's milk is better than breast milk.
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(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday December 15 2019, @03:07AM (1 child)
That's a bold claim relating to nutirtional needs of an infant, care to provide some credentials, or are you practicing without a license?
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday December 15 2019, @06:04AM
And yet I don't see you taking issue with the other person saying that babies shouldn't be drinking almond milk.
(Score: 3, Insightful) by dry on Sunday December 15 2019, @03:23AM (4 children)
Throw out 800 years of accepted usage due to someone fraudulently calling water with an almond added almond milk? Perhaps better to have a rule similar to the one you propose for juice.
According to wiki, actually their citation at https://web.archive.org/web/20181230085351/https://www.foodinsight.org/whats-in-a-name-types-of-milk-dairy-nondairy-alternatives-consumer-research [archive.org] 75%+ understand that plant based milks don't contain dairy and 90% understand that whole milk refers to cows milk. The only really confusing one seems to be lactose free milk.
Seems education might be better then trampling on freedom to use common words in their common way.
(Score: 2) by barbara hudson on Sunday December 15 2019, @03:55AM (3 children)
Almond milk is a fraud. One almond in a carton is not "almond milk". Same as you can't call ice milk ice cream. Not enough milk fat content.
BTW - milk doesn't only come from cows. Try goat milk - it's quite tasty. And it still qualifies as milk because it's produced from mammals, not plants.
And I didn't "propose" a rule for juice - it's the actual law. Must be real fruit juice or it can't be called fruit juice - hence the labelling "fruit drink". AKA flavoured sugar water.
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(Score: 2) by dry on Sunday December 15 2019, @04:54AM (2 children)
Yes, it does sound like almond milk is a fraud, though the American courts refused an injunction based on false advertising. Sadly it seems pretty popular despite the low amount of protein, I guess people think it is a nut.
Seems almond milk dates from the 12th century, and in English, the word milk has also referred to plant based milks since about the same time, with almond milk being popular during religious fasts.
I don't really like any animal milk, cows milk doesn't agree, goats is too gamey, at least what I have had. Have had cheeses from various animals, camel, water buffalo, sheep, goat and cow at least, they're all good if aged. Never tried pigeon milk.
As for the fruit juice law, seems we need similar for almond milk along with a warning that it is not suitable for infants.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday December 15 2019, @08:51AM (1 child)
There is a reason for that. Involves mammilaries. Look them up, but do not look at them, directly, too much.
(Score: 3, Informative) by Muad'Dave on Monday December 16 2019, @02:09PM
Crop milk [wikipedia.org] is a thing.
(Score: 2) by Freeman on Monday December 16 2019, @06:41PM (6 children)
Milk isn't an acceptable substitute for babies, either. Mothers who can't produce enough milk for their children should definitely look into Formula solutions for their baby.
https://www.babycenter.com/0_cows-milk-when-and-how-to-introduce-it_1334703.bc [babycenter.com]
Joshua 1:9 "Be strong and of a good courage; be not afraid, neither be thou dismayed: for the Lord thy God is with thee"
(Score: 2) by barbara hudson on Wednesday December 18 2019, @02:41AM (5 children)
That's bullshit. Almost all babies can digest 50% cows milk no problem. Same as almost all babies can digest 100% mother's milk no problem.
Your citation is from a web site owned by Johnson and Johnson. They sell baby formula via Mead Johnson. Don't depend on them telling the truth when their paycheque demands they lie.
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(Score: 2) by Freeman on Wednesday December 18 2019, @03:44PM (4 children)
Or you could listen to the NHS:
https://www.nhs.uk/conditions/pregnancy-and-baby/types-of-infant-formula/ [www.nhs.uk]
Then there's the Mayo Clinic as well:
https://www.mayoclinic.org/healthy-lifestyle/infant-and-toddler-health/in-depth/infant-formula/art-20045782 [mayoclinic.org]
Joshua 1:9 "Be strong and of a good courage; be not afraid, neither be thou dismayed: for the Lord thy God is with thee"
(Score: 2) by barbara hudson on Thursday December 19 2019, @12:23AM (3 children)
Too much medical advice is based off manufacturers advertising handouts to doctors. One good example is antidepressants - after more than 60 years, still no independent proof that they actually work, and in most cases they're no better than a placebo - but with more side effects.
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(Score: 2) by Freeman on Thursday December 19 2019, @04:19PM (2 children)
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2684040/ [nih.gov]
https://medlineplus.gov/ency/article/002448.htm [medlineplus.gov]
Breastmilk is the #1 best source of food for an infant. #2 best source is forumla. #3 better than starving to death source is animal milk.
Joshua 1:9 "Be strong and of a good courage; be not afraid, neither be thou dismayed: for the Lord thy God is with thee"
(Score: 2) by barbara hudson on Thursday December 19 2019, @05:44PM (1 child)
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(Score: 2) by Freeman on Thursday December 19 2019, @09:09PM
#1 You assume I've not raised my own. #2 Just because people have done something for a very long time, doesn't mean it's best. #3 I like modern science. Air conditioning, Antibiotics, Vaccines, Infant Formula, etc.
Joshua 1:9 "Be strong and of a good courage; be not afraid, neither be thou dismayed: for the Lord thy God is with thee"