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Here, we have a case of "blame the victim", and the cops are going to get away with it. The fact that she is young, white, and pretty will work against her, I'm sure. And, she's from Alabama. The Gestapo busts in on her, while she's taking a nap, shoot her down, and they have the nerve to say, "Well, if she hadn't pointed her gun at our officers . . . "
This, among many other incidents, is why I can't follow the liberal logic. WTF do any of you want the cops to have guns, but deny yourselves the opportunity to defend yourself from those rogue cops? Disarm the police, then I might think about giving up my own weapons. Key words are "might" and "think about".
WILMER, Ala. (WALA) -- A huge investigation underway after a woman is shot during an undercover warrant roundup. It happened Thursday morning at a home in Wilmer on Old Moffat Road.
Turns out the suspect agents were looking for was already in Metro Jail.
"As agents went up to the house they detained two men outside, who said there was a woman still inside. As they went to make entry into the house... This lady had armed herself with a shotgun and the entry team was giving her orders to drop the gun, put the gun down, drop the gun several times -- over a period of a few seconds it seems like... And there is video recordings of that. She didn't and she pointed the gun at one of them -- then two or three agents fired upon her striking her three or four times," said Mobile County Sheriff Sam Cochran.
The woman idenitfied as Ann Rylee was not who agents were looking for. Instead, they were there to execute outstanding drug warrants for 41-year-old Nicholas McLeod -- the uncle of Rylee's fiance.
McLeod has a long drug arrest history. Prior arrests list the home on Moffat Road as McLeod's home address. Turns out he was already in Metro Jail. McLeod booked in on Wednesday at 3:36 p.m. on the outstanding warrants.
Sheriff Cochran says had they known -- they wouldn't have gone to the house.
"We do know there was a miscommunication... And we've narrowed it down to one of two things: The investigators did not make one final check this morning to send teams out to make the arrests or warrants section did not communicate to the computer system -- that the warrants were no longer active. We're running that down," said Cochran. "However, if she would not have pointed a gun at the agents -- they would have determined all of that on the scene and would have bid her a good day and thank you very much."
It's a multi agency team -- running the warrant round-up consisting of Mobile County Sheriff's deputies, Homeland Security, and agents with the U.S. Marshals Office. Sheriff Cochran tells us it was not one of his deputies that fired the shots.
Meanwhile, there is no body camera footage because the Mobile County Sheriff's Office doesn't have body cameras.
The Alabama Bureau of Investigation was called in to take over the case.
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https://www.fox10tv.com/news/mobile_county/mcso-sheriff-woman-pointed-gun-at-officer-before-she-was/article_effd4f0c-22da-11ea-b92c-97a70d44e2ba.html
(Score: 2, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Monday December 23 2019, @01:40AM (21 children)
Please, show us the mainstream popularity of "you want the cops to have guns, but deny yourselves the opportunity to defend yourself from those rogue cops?"
You'll find the vast majority of liberals only want better background checks and licensing. The mainstream media extremism can be disregarded as propaganda to fuel the emotional divisions, much like the extremist abortion and war on christmas bullshit. Ooooh scary black "tactical" AR-15s! Thanks to some posters on here and people I've met in person I've learned how a lot of gun regulations are nonsense "we're doing something!" type crap. Care to return the favor?
I think the answer is clear, you Runaway need to get your opinions more from real people and less from TV / news propaganda. Also, to head this off, if you want to compare extremist legislation attempts it won't go well for a Republican supporter, so no need to post about how some liberal tried to ban all guns or whatever.
All that aside, I think cops should be disarmed, with SWAT basically being a truck that brings in the weaponry when necessary. Give them armor and clubs, along with actual consequences for wrongful deaths. Like prison time.
Also, obligatory calling out of your bullshit "The fact that she is young, white, and pretty will work against her, I'm sure" which seems to be the only reason you care. All the other articles about wrongful deaths, along with that bitch who murdered the innocent guy in his own apartment, yaaaa you weren't exactly hard on the cops. I'll leave the interpretations of what that means to the reader.
(Score: 4, Informative) by The Mighty Buzzard on Monday December 23 2019, @01:47AM (13 children)
If you have to ask permission it's a privilege not a right. The constitution says it is a right. Not a right granted by the constitution. A right that the constitution acknowledges as already existing and explicitly forbids the government from infringing upon.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 1) by fustakrakich on Monday December 23 2019, @04:17AM (3 children)
Your rights are enumerated and determined by the laws of physics, not a piece of paper or a man's ego.
La politica e i criminali sono la stessa cosa..
(Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Monday December 23 2019, @04:45AM
I'd say it's more along the lines of your rights are dictated by what you are capable of doing. Mind you, if what you plan on doing is living peacefully with other humans, you're going to have to forego quite a range of them; human beings are capable of doing some fairly nasty things to each other and it tends to make Christmas dinner a bit awkward if you do things like show up with your neighbor's yappy dog superglued backwards to your hood.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 2) by Arik on Monday December 23 2019, @05:12AM (1 child)
Human rights are the rights that are inherent in what it means to be a human individual. Nothing more, nothing less. Government can either protect them, or violate them, but it does not get to define them or change them.
If laughter is the best medicine, who are the best doctors?
(Score: 1) by fustakrakich on Monday December 23 2019, @05:31AM
On the contrary, man's law is the abstraction, an emotional attempt to separate us from the fundamentals, to provide the [now crumbling] facade of civility. It's like how the Java abstraction layer separates us from a real programming language to "protect" us from seeing the greasy underbelly of C
La politica e i criminali sono la stessa cosa..
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday December 23 2019, @07:12AM
Sorry the world is more complicated than your jello filled skull can deal with :(
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday December 23 2019, @08:35PM (7 children)
I think the part about "well regulated militia" makes it abundantly clear that private ownership and usage was not being discussed.
This is grade-school level reading comprehension.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday December 23 2019, @09:16PM (3 children)
Found the problem, buzztardo has coded for so long he doesn't understand normal language. Since they didn't make extensive use of & and | he can't parse the meaning.
A common problem with biological robots.
(Score: 3, Insightful) by The Mighty Buzzard on Tuesday December 24 2019, @05:40AM (2 children)
Naw, that's the exact opposite of what's happening here. I do understand that "well regulated" meant something completely different than "ordered to be thus by the government" back then, while you two don't.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 0, Touché) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday December 24 2019, @05:36PM (1 child)
Ok boomer
(Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Wednesday December 25 2019, @03:46AM
Gen-X, yo. Which is to say: Whatever, enjoy drowning in student debt if you fuck with us.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 2, Insightful) by The Mighty Buzzard on Tuesday December 24 2019, @05:38AM
Three things:
1) You get that militia are unorganized in any way until a crisis happens civilians, yes?
2) And you understand that "well-regulated" was a term in common usage at the time that meant something along the lines of "being in proper working order".
3) And you further get that the founding fathers had just finished kicking the hell out of the Brits with privately owned weapons, up to and including artillery and warships?
So, tell me again how they meant the fascist meaning of the word rather than the one that protects the liberty of the people.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday December 24 2019, @06:08AM
Ah yes, clearly the 2A was meant to prevent the government from disarming itself.
(Score: 1) by fustakrakich on Tuesday December 24 2019, @06:39AM
Um, no, the "well regulated militia" is not a condition, but I can't expect people to understand that, since they also can't understand the concept of "no law" that we have in the first amendment.
La politica e i criminali sono la stessa cosa..
(Score: 1, Troll) by Runaway1956 on Monday December 23 2019, @01:51AM (3 children)
You were OBVIOUSLY not listening to the Dem party debates over the past year. Every one of those chuckleheads tried to out-idiot the rest. Beto said that yes, he IS coming for our guns. And, many of us want him to do it in person.
Hail to the Nibbler in Chief.
(Score: 1, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Monday December 23 2019, @03:52PM
If people have guns they may use them to shoot someones family members.
https://concealednation.org/2019/10/video-family-of-armed-robber-who-was-shot-and-killed-says-clerk-shouldnt-have-had-gun-at-work/ [concealednation.org]
(Score: 0, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday December 26 2019, @01:41AM (1 child)
Coming on your Guns, Runaway! You should be very, very afraid, so afraid that you might shoot at a cop. Go ahead, make my point, you craven Rebel scum! (Civil War, not Star Wars).
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday December 26 2019, @08:54AM
Stupid ficking Runaway! If only I had a guns! I would body-cam footage Runaway right up his own kiester! Oath-keeper nonsense needs to be put down, hard. Some-arry execution, for all intensive porpoises.
(Score: 5, Insightful) by shortscreen on Monday December 23 2019, @09:17AM (2 children)
Poll respondants favor "common sense" background checks and registries. But the support is coming mostly from non-gun-owners and there is nothing Americans love more than laws that only apply to other people. These bureaucratic measures also don't really stop anyone who is determined to commit violent crime, just like "gun free zones".
If your modest version of gun control were to pass, I strongly suspect that when the next shooting happened that was hyped by the media, the goal posts would move and another round of arbitrary restrictions would enter the pipeline.
As runaway begins to imply, the biggest "gun nut" of all is the government. They are perpetrating unnecessary violence at home and overseas, the scale of which goes far beyond anything that ordinary criminals can muster. Anyone who wants a less violent world and has their priorities straight should be calling for the government to be reined in, not for expanding the police state.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday December 23 2019, @09:30PM (1 child)
So vote Sanders 2020!
Woops, you meant restrict all government, so universal healthcare means you'll support corrupt thieving warmongers instead. GENIUS!
(Score: 2) by shortscreen on Monday December 23 2019, @10:11PM
Wouldn't it be lame if we had to limit ourselves to one overarching ideology as the single answer to every issue?