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Here, we have a case of "blame the victim", and the cops are going to get away with it. The fact that she is young, white, and pretty will work against her, I'm sure. And, she's from Alabama. The Gestapo busts in on her, while she's taking a nap, shoot her down, and they have the nerve to say, "Well, if she hadn't pointed her gun at our officers . . . "
This, among many other incidents, is why I can't follow the liberal logic. WTF do any of you want the cops to have guns, but deny yourselves the opportunity to defend yourself from those rogue cops? Disarm the police, then I might think about giving up my own weapons. Key words are "might" and "think about".
WILMER, Ala. (WALA) -- A huge investigation underway after a woman is shot during an undercover warrant roundup. It happened Thursday morning at a home in Wilmer on Old Moffat Road.
Turns out the suspect agents were looking for was already in Metro Jail.
"As agents went up to the house they detained two men outside, who said there was a woman still inside. As they went to make entry into the house... This lady had armed herself with a shotgun and the entry team was giving her orders to drop the gun, put the gun down, drop the gun several times -- over a period of a few seconds it seems like... And there is video recordings of that. She didn't and she pointed the gun at one of them -- then two or three agents fired upon her striking her three or four times," said Mobile County Sheriff Sam Cochran.
The woman idenitfied as Ann Rylee was not who agents were looking for. Instead, they were there to execute outstanding drug warrants for 41-year-old Nicholas McLeod -- the uncle of Rylee's fiance.
McLeod has a long drug arrest history. Prior arrests list the home on Moffat Road as McLeod's home address. Turns out he was already in Metro Jail. McLeod booked in on Wednesday at 3:36 p.m. on the outstanding warrants.
Sheriff Cochran says had they known -- they wouldn't have gone to the house.
"We do know there was a miscommunication... And we've narrowed it down to one of two things: The investigators did not make one final check this morning to send teams out to make the arrests or warrants section did not communicate to the computer system -- that the warrants were no longer active. We're running that down," said Cochran. "However, if she would not have pointed a gun at the agents -- they would have determined all of that on the scene and would have bid her a good day and thank you very much."
It's a multi agency team -- running the warrant round-up consisting of Mobile County Sheriff's deputies, Homeland Security, and agents with the U.S. Marshals Office. Sheriff Cochran tells us it was not one of his deputies that fired the shots.
Meanwhile, there is no body camera footage because the Mobile County Sheriff's Office doesn't have body cameras.
The Alabama Bureau of Investigation was called in to take over the case.
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(Score: 1, Troll) by The Mighty Buzzard on Monday December 23 2019, @01:42AM (12 children)
Sorry but no. She had a choice to either offer the cops violence or not. She chose, with extremely predictable results. I might have done the same given the right circumstances but I wouldn't bitch about the blindingly obvious happening as a result. Actions have consequences. If you're not willing to take the consequences, don't take the action.
None of the above has anything to do with right or wrong, only whether someone is bloody stupid or not.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 1, Troll) by Runaway1956 on Monday December 23 2019, @01:49AM (9 children)
The cops who shot that Rice boy in Cleveland also claimed to have told him to drop the gun. No bodycams, no video, the cops can make up any bullshit they want to make up. They barged in on a sleeping woman, and they expect her to be submissive, and compliant?
Hail to the Nibbler in Chief.
(Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Monday December 23 2019, @01:59AM (5 children)
Man, unless she was a vet with severe PTSD, nobody's reflex on waking up is to grab the shotgun leaned against their nightstand and point it at whatever woke them up before even getting out of bed. Odds are overwhelmingly in favor of her making a conscious if stupid decision. There's supposedly video though, so that should clear it up nicely.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 2, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Monday December 23 2019, @05:19AM (3 children)
There is a difference between being woken up by the bright and beautiful sunrise, with birds chirping merrily... and being woken up by people breaking in your door, pointing guns your direction, and screaming at you. For the latter, damn straight you grab the shotgun -- especially since people who aren't criminals never expect that cops are the ones breaking in.
(Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Tuesday December 24 2019, @05:41AM (1 child)
People who are criminals generally yell "give me the money" or similar rather than "police, drop the weapon and get face down on the floor".
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday December 24 2019, @04:46PM
People who are cops yell like this:
Cop 1: Police!
Cop 2: Drop the weapon!
Cop 3: Down on the ground!
Cop 4: Show your hands!
and they're all yelling at the same time. None of it is going to be intelligible. But the object of the yelling isn't to get the victim to comply, but to get the cops off the hook for murder.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday December 26 2019, @01:51AM
I grab the shotgun and shoot the goddamned sunrise, rising before I am good and ready. Imperialist Authoritarian Trump supporters!
(Score: 1, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Monday December 23 2019, @10:36AM
Not uniformed officers, easily identified as police. Plainclothes. Barge in, hollering and screaming, they see she has a gun, and shoot her. Note that she didn't get any shots off, they saw the gun and fired. I want to see the video, and hear the audio.
(Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Monday December 23 2019, @02:03AM
why did the poorly trained cops barge in anyway? Playing hero??
IMO, surround the house (from behind cars or other suitable "armor" in case someone in the house starts shooting) then use a bull horn to say who you are looking for, and ask anyone else inside to come out slowly. No need for cops & robbers stereotypical violence.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday December 23 2019, @02:47AM (1 child)
This case, apparently, has video with audio that can be reviewed. At a minimum, the audio will let you know what they said in the exchange and how long it lasted.
But tell you what. In order to avoid this kind of problem in the future, the police will now mail all suspects a nice post card letting them know that the police plan to execute a warrant in the near future. The suspects can then call to schedule a time that works for them so the police can come and there is no worry of violence on either side.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday December 24 2019, @09:37PM
Or, they can stop breaking into people's houses and instead surround the area. Only an authoritarian would be okay with military-style police (though even the military shows more self-restrain than our cowardly thug officers most of the time). Mailing all suspects in advance would be silly, but still far preferable to what we have now, under the 'it's better for 10 guilty people to go free than for one innocent person to be sent to prison' principle. Yes, that applies very much to cops acting as judges, juries, and executioners, and creating situations that will result in people's unnecessary deaths.
This is the antithesis of a country that's supposed to be 'the land of the free and the home of the brave.' Where's your patriotism? Where's your love of freedom? Does it simply not exist?
(Score: 2) by Joe Desertrat on Saturday December 28 2019, @11:53PM (1 child)
I think the lesson is don't brandish a gun to defend yourself against armed intruders if you aren't going to shoot. We'll never know her thought processes, whether she knew they were cops or not, or whether she had something to hide or defend. But if someone is breaking into your home with weapons drawn, they are already of a mind to shoot if necessary. When they came upon her with weapons drawn, and if it is true they ordered her to drop he weapon and instead of that she pointed her gun at them, of course they are going to shoot. Real life isn't some cop show where the actors dramatically disarm a threat with witty dialog. It is human beings making often split second decisions based on the information they have on hand.
(Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Sunday December 29 2019, @03:01AM
I'd say don't even pick one up if you aren't willing to use it. At best it's going to be taken away and pointed at you. At worst, see TFA.
Now if you are going to use it, you have my full support in shooting as many police who have no valid reason to be kicking your door in as you like.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.