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Journal by The Mighty Buzzard
Tens of thousands of armed citizens came to protest in VA, said what they had to say, and harmed nobody at all. Then they left. But not before cleaning up after themselves. Talk about pissing the ones trying to sell the progtard narrative off. I did laugh.
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Frankfort, Kentucky, makes it against the law to shoot off a policeman's tie.
(Score: 2, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday January 22 2020, @04:48PM (44 children)
If someone points a loaded gun at my head and wants to discuss issues with me, even if they neither fire the gun nor vocalize an intent to do so, that is not a peaceful conversation.
Despite the fact that nobody was physically harmed, this should not be considered a peaceful protest. Rather, it was a demonstration with the purpose of influencing Virginia's government at the point of a gun or, more accurately, a vast number of guns.
The NRA vehemently opposes gun control. Yet even the NRA was so troubled by the rally that they distanced themselves from the event [richmond.com] and instead promoted a separate gathering outside the Virginia Capitol. When your opposition to gun control is so extreme that even the NRA disassociates itself, you need to reconsider what you're doing.
The majority of Americans do support expanding gun control [npr.org], and that majority is expanding. Instead of the far right accepting that most Americans don't agree with their views and deciding their views need to evolve, they've instead opted to try to force their views on the majority of Americans at gunpoint.
Your position is so extreme to the right that even the NRA felt the need to distance itself. Let that sink in.
(Score: 1, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday January 22 2020, @05:07PM (11 children)
Not to mention the state of emergency and expanded police presence probably did a lot to keep the violent bigots from assaulting or murdering anyone, and yet they take it as LiBruHl tEaRs mmmm mmm gooood.
Pretty disgusting people we have here in the US that love to hide behind their veneer of civility.
(Score: 2) by DeathMonkey on Wednesday January 22 2020, @05:18PM (9 children)
They arrested several people suspected of planning violent attacks at the rally. [nbcnews.com]
I think it's pretty likely the police did prevent violence from occurring at this rally.
(Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Wednesday January 22 2020, @11:01PM (8 children)
Sure they did. Anything to salvage the narrative, eh?
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday January 22 2020, @11:11PM (7 children)
Lol whaaaat? Man, where were you and this stellar rationale when this site was running all those negative antifa stories? They could have used your help dude!
(Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Wednesday January 22 2020, @11:16PM (6 children)
Antifa getting dissuaded from violence by cops being present is never a possibility. The cops are told to back off and let Antifa do whatever they like.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday January 23 2020, @12:08AM (5 children)
In coastal cities maybe. Out here, the cops are going to have a ball if they get to bust heads on both sides.
(Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Thursday January 23 2020, @12:23AM (4 children)
They keep quietly to themselves here in TN as far as I can tell. Probably a wise idea. You really don't want to be starting a fight with people who work with tools for a living if you're a pussy little college kid. They will hurt you.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday January 23 2020, @12:45AM (3 children)
Your need to project unnecessary masculinity is sad, not to mention your weird idea that Antifa can get away with violence in coastal cities. Stoopid stoopid, we've got plenty of racist dickhead cops out here who want to bust heads. Sure, you probably have more, but I don't really see that as a pissing contest you want to win. Just me though, and probably 75% of the country.
Don't you worry, I have no reason to visit TN so you can stop flexing in the mirror with your mallninjachuks.
(Score: 1, Troll) by Runaway1956 on Thursday January 23 2020, @01:33AM (1 child)
Oh fuck, get with the times. It isn't "unnecessary masculinity", it's "toxic masculinity". And, we take classes in toxic masculinity. Yes, you too can get some collge creds by enrolling in my Toxic Masculinity 101 course. Advanced courses are available after completion of Toxic Masculinity 101. Just send us your application, along with a deposit of $1500 to reserve your spot on the list!!
Abortion is the number one killed of children in the United States.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday January 23 2020, @03:24AM
Idiocy and ignorance are no substitutes for masculinity, boy.
(Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Thursday January 23 2020, @02:40PM
You also have officials that order them to not interfere. On the record and well documented.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Wednesday January 22 2020, @11:05PM
Police presence deterred a well armed group that outnumbered them around a hundred to one? Say, you wouldn't happen to want to buy this bridge I own out in San Francisco, would you?
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 3, Insightful) by Arik on Wednesday January 22 2020, @05:37PM (28 children)
Agreed, as presented. Of course, if you pulled your gun first that would change the situation quite a bit.
"Despite the fact that nobody was physically harmed, this should not be considered a peaceful protest."
Why? No one intended violence, no violence occurred, how was it not peaceful?
"Rather, it was a demonstration with the purpose of influencing Virginia's government at the point of a gun or, more accurately, a vast number of guns."
No, no one pointed any guns.
This was a peaceful demonstration by the citizens of the state letting the government know that there actions are not approved. If this sort of demonstration is not a legitimate exercise of democracy, then no protests are.
"The NRA vehemently opposes gun control. "
Wow! You are seriously misinformed, you got that exactly wrong. The NRA is the nations largest anti second amendment lobby. Watch their hands, not their lips.
"The majority of Americans do support expanding gun control"
Only when you frame the questions carefully to produce that result. When the questions are framed honestly, the results are rather different.
But so what? Human rights are human rights, ignorant attitudes do not trump human rights, and they do not trump the law. We have a constitution for a reason. Even if the majority are against free speech, the law still protects it. Even if the majority were in favor of victim disarmament, the constitution prohibits it.
And wisely so.
If laughter is the best medicine, who are the best doctors?
(Score: 2, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday January 22 2020, @05:54PM (27 children)
As usual you want to play the persecuted martyr when no one is coming for your guns. The words "well regulated" come before anything else, and the more you deny regulation the stupider you look. We could come to a compromise on what reasonable regulation means, but you're so stuck in fear mode you can't even read the constitution properly.
(Score: 2) by Arik on Wednesday January 22 2020, @05:57PM (5 children)
If laughter is the best medicine, who are the best doctors?
(Score: 1, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday January 22 2020, @06:53PM (4 children)
So you ignore the constitution, well the majority of US citizens prefers to stick to it. Denying the constitution makes you a traitor, and like the first time the numbers are not on your side. You are not the law, and if a state votes to regulate their militias how they see fit I hope you will refrain from murdering your fellow citizens.
(Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Wednesday January 22 2020, @11:14PM (3 children)
You need to go read up on the definition of traitor. You're flinging it around in as bullshit a manner as the progtards fling around "Nazi".
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday January 23 2020, @12:49AM (2 children)
Hmm, someone who violates the constitution and will murder citizens to achieve a political goal. Nah, I got it right, you're just an idiot who has trouble with simple English like "well" and "regulated".
Also, no matter how many times I say I believe citizens should be able to own firearms you pretend like I said "grab their guns!"
This is why you get treated with disdain, you blow off discussion and try and force your world view as the only possible option. Fascism is what we call that. Keep it up blowhard "patreanut."
(Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Thursday January 23 2020, @02:42PM (1 child)
Learn your history. That is not what "well regulated" meant. You can keep denying it but you've been informed otherwise, with citations, and will be lying out of your ass in future comments of this nature.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday January 23 2020, @06:01PM
Nope, I read up on your position and it is stupid as usual.
(Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Wednesday January 22 2020, @11:00PM (16 children)
Your lack of education is showing. That is not what "well regulated" meant in the late 1700s. The "regulated" bit had nothing whatsoever to do with government regulation; not in any way. I'd say take a history class but you will not find this information in higher educational institutions anymore; it's deliberately swept under the rug in favor of pushing a narrative the exact opposite of what the founders intended.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday January 22 2020, @11:14PM (4 children)
Ooph, now you're just derailing into crazy town. MUH GUHNZ!
I like how you sweep away not only the possibility of sourcing your claim but also take a swipe at academics. Probably cause your sources are gonna be one of those conspiratard sites easily debunked by actual academic sources.
At least your brain is getting some good cardio!
(Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Wednesday January 22 2020, @11:32PM (3 children)
You really suck that bad at google-fu? Okay, here you go [constitution.org]. But, I mean, shit... Do even a tiny bit of reading on the writings and statements of the founders and you'll see them saying in no uncertain terms that it most certainly did not mean the government got to control gun ownership or possession. Hell, Sam Adams made it crystal clear that he was proposing it so "the Constitution shall never be construed…to prevent the people of the United States who are peaceable citizens from keeping their own arms."
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday January 23 2020, @03:52AM (2 children)
Nah that site popped up first, but I discard any source that tries to authoritatively decide such issues without detailed analyses. We have a supreme court for a reason and the wording of the 2nd has been contentious since it was created. Morons like you only listen to what you want to hear, everything else you discard out of hand. I actually read the whe wikipedia page on the 2nd which detailed a ton of the historic decisions on the topic and I stand by my opinion that individuals should own guns, but we need to have proper licensing, background checks, training requirements, and strict regulation of military grade hardware. Of course I'm also of the opinion that barriers to entry should cost citizens nothing, so training would be a public service and licenses only costing money for your 3rd+ weapons.
But hey, keep being a spastic moron who thinks he knows better than the actual founders of the US and every legal expert that has weighed in on the matter. Totally within your expertise ayyyuuupp /s
PS: the intent of the 2nd was originally for state level protection against invaders, and militias were groups that actually practiced military tactics. Thankfully the supreme court has upheld the interpretation that anyone can own a weapon
(Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Thursday January 23 2020, @02:43PM (1 child)
Then try CNN's analysis. It was one or two results down and said the same thing, even though CNN desperately wants the truth to be otherwise.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday January 24 2020, @06:02PM
By the transitive law I declare myself correct. You say CNN is lying fake news, therefore ipso facto you lose! GG EZ
(Score: 2) by DeathMonkey on Wednesday January 22 2020, @11:59PM (5 children)
Correct, it referred to the military. Y'know, an organization with a lot of rules. Rules that control who has access to what weaponry. And, rules that you can be shot for not following.
(Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Thursday January 23 2020, @12:19AM (4 children)
No, oh monkey of much ignorance, it meant smartly turned out. Presentable. Efficient. And if you know even a tiny bit of your nation's history, you are arguing in bad faith right from the start.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 2) by shortscreen on Thursday January 23 2020, @12:29AM
well regulated = well provisioned
(Score: 2) by DeathMonkey on Thursday January 23 2020, @12:52AM (1 child)
Presentable, eh? So they had to follow some kind of dress code? Smartly turned out, like carrying the right weapons?
The Supreme Court agrees with me. The standing decision that protects an individual right to lawfully bear arms specifically states that rules controlling who gets what weapons are legit because they're analogous to a militia.
DC vs. Heller [documentcloud.org]
(Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Thursday January 23 2020, @02:45PM
You reckon after the fact court decisions change what the founders flat out said they meant? Interesting.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday January 23 2020, @01:34AM
Ah how your brain betrays you. Even going with your own definition it becomes clear that the mentally ill and violent would be a hindrance to such efficient operations of a militia.
You wackos keep denying the ability for government to regulate firearms but never in US history has that been true. Even the original debates during the ratification included discussions of state regulation. Let us take it to some more extremes, see if your brains have a break point where logic kicks back in. Should individuals have mines? Grenades? RPGs? AA missiles? Nukes?
The supreme court already affirmed that individuals are guaranteed the right to own weapons for self-defense in their home. That doesn't mean you get to have a true machine gun, or hand grenades. Or ignore regulations like safe storage and licensing to make sure some dumbass doesn't take a gun home and do some target practice at the wall.
Your rabid "muh guns" stance has been slapped down repeatedly, and regulations preventing violent criminals and the mentally ill from owning weapons upheld. You simply let your paranoia run wild, and truly you harm your own cause with such stubborn ignorance.
(Score: 1) by RandomFactor on Thursday January 23 2020, @01:22AM (4 children)
В «Правде» нет известий, в «Известиях» нет правды
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday January 23 2020, @02:07AM (3 children)
And let's just pause to reflect on how well our society is functioning today because of the many guns in circulation.</sarcasm>
(Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Thursday January 23 2020, @02:48PM (2 children)
We have always had shitloads of guns in circulation. And we have less of a problem with them now than we ever have in our history. There is simply a deliberate scare campaign going on because a disarmed populace can do nothing about anything else you want to do to them.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday January 23 2020, @06:11PM (1 child)
Yeah!!! Pay no attention to what your lying eyes are telling you! It messes with the Buzztards carefully-crafted narrative!
(Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Sunday January 26 2020, @05:05PM
It's not your eyes, it's the media and politicians. They make out like bandits by making you afraid. The numbers do not lie though and the numbers say that we are getting safer not less safe.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 1) by khallow on Thursday January 23 2020, @05:36AM (3 children)
It's remarkable how many people can't read a single, fucking sentence. It doesn't matter that "well-regulated" comes before anything else. It's part of an explanatory phrase, and thus, not legally binding.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday January 23 2020, @11:36PM (2 children)
It's more than just an explanatory phrase. It is the premise on which the right to bear arms is recognized. Or are you really suggesting that the garbage about a "well-regulated militia" is mere word salad dressing?
(Score: 1) by khallow on Friday January 24 2020, @03:45AM
(Score: 1) by khallow on Friday January 24 2020, @05:25AM
I already "suggested" that it's an explanatory phrase. How unsurprising that your conveniently selective reading comprehension shows up again when you want to set up a leading question.
(Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Wednesday January 22 2020, @10:55PM
I absolutely agree with you. Let me know when the progtards stop demanding the government point a loaded gun at my head and we'll have a nice, peaceful conversation.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Thursday January 23 2020, @12:50AM
You should re-read the history of our revolution from England. What you describe is PRECISELY what our founding fathers intended.
Abortion is the number one killed of children in the United States.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday January 24 2020, @03:09AM
Actually, it's not a conversation at all. It's an ultimatum. There is no conversation to be had in that case.