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You'd think they'd at least get the 2A out of the way before they go balls out after the 1A. Remember this shit next time you get butthurt because someone tells you the Democrats are authoritarian shitstains.
[Update]: Deathmonkey was kind enough to point out that this was in fact a Republican-passed bill from 2K that is being reaffirmed/reenacted by the Democrats, as well as adding the ability for the state to prosecute in Richmond no matter where the crime was committed if it's against state-owned property or a politician. Let's hear it for bipartisan fuckwadery! This would have been updated sooner but this is the first time I've looked at it since Thursday around lunchtime. Sorry, you're just not as interesting as The Roomie's kids who arrived a couple hours later.
(What, you thought I'd support it if Republicans had a hand in it? You must be new here.)
(Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday January 25 2020, @11:44PM (42 children)
Welp, finally got my own taste of the SN fascism. For bugging Buzztardo to issue a retraction on this journal entry, and for copy/pasting some Trump criminality post a few times in an offtopic posts, my IP has been blocked. No warning, etc.
Now I fully agree it is within the site's purview to make such choices, except for the ideology they officially support. More like Buzzy got annoyed at the call outs and the call to attention to notify the community of his personal failures that totally invalidate the character he portrays around here and latched on to a few shitposts as an excuse.
It is a Code of Conduct they consider "common sense" while going around shitting on the concept of a CoC. So while I do not begrudge their choice I do hold their values in contempt. All the talk of freedom of speech, all the racist shit EF gets to spew, and they still censor ideas they don't like.
This country is in trouble when a good portion of the people actively engage in fascist behavior while pretending it is anything but. Double standards and hypocrisy, and oddly enough that is what happened with Athaniuskucher. Got in an argument with TMB and experienced some fuckery with posting. He said he refreshed and saw his journal, then it disappeared. Being a very competent and intelligent person I just can't see him making his exit post without feeling sure that something sketchy occurred.
I know there was a big investigation, and buzzy's claim was he is too lazy to bother doing such things. But the timing was weird, the steady support of rightwing ideology is weird, and the ease with which they resort to banning someone from posting without even replying to the comments to say "knock it off" is telling.
SoylentNews is run by fascists who like to pretend their ideological opponents are the real fascists. They hide behind excuses while enforcing their worldview, and the constant deflection or lack of engagement with Trump's guilt just really shows how much stock is placed around here in truth.
This site is an experiment in free form fascism. The illusion of freedom run by a panel of autocrats.
Again, they are free to run the site however they want; but they should stop misrepresenting themselves as something other than a rightwing haven that allows the heathens some leeway.
(Score: 2) by Azuma Hazuki on Sunday January 26 2020, @12:11AM (3 children)
Consider getting a named account? Just above you is a post of mine not only telling him to wipe his ass, but spewing profanity left and right (4 instances of "shit" and at least one "fuck") and I'm still here. Not saying an IP block is right of course.
Also, were you the one who posted this comment? https://soylentnews.org/comments.pl?noupdate=1&sid=35736&page=1&cid=948588#commentwrap [soylentnews.org] Because someone Spam modded you. I reported that to the staff, but that Spam mod combined with posting AC might have pushed you over the edge.
I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday January 26 2020, @12:22AM (2 children)
As I said I understand their choice, but it feels like an emotional overreaction by TMB and others annoyed at the constant call outs. Of course they'll just point to the 3(?) copy-pasted Trump crime posts and wash their hands of it saying "site rules".
I would normally laugh at it saying "yup, I decided to make copy/paste offtopic posts" except that SN prides itself on being all about Freedom of Speech! Well, for comments supposedly, unless you violate their personal boundaries of acceptable. Which was the impetus for spamming the Trump crime list in the first place, assholes don't want to engage in facts then I'll post it around so more eyeballs end up seeing it! Maybe some other users would chime in other than the usual apologists.
Blech, the hypocrisy is a bit much combined with the US political shitshow. It is very hard to separate them.
(Score: 2) by barbara hudson on Sunday January 26 2020, @01:00AM
There's a code of conduct??? Oh-oh ... I am so screwed.
Seriously, just log in. Ideas that were really unpopular a decade ago are now tolerated, and even finding support.
Just look at the support for open discussion of the failures of both open source and RMS. Maybe in another decade we'll be able to move on to something that rewards developers in ways that count, and not just street cred. You can't eat street cred.
Register your copyrights. The big boys do, it's cheap and easy, and you get statutory damages if anybody files your copyright notice off and puts their company name instead on code you wrote before you ever heard of them. That is one mistake I won't make again.
SoylentNews is social media. Says so right in the slogan. Soylentnews is people, not tech.
(Score: 2) by Azuma Hazuki on Sunday January 26 2020, @02:02AM
Buzztard has *explicitly* told several people, myself included, that the Spam mod is *only* to be used for literal spam, things like multiposts of the same short troll or "buy v1@gr4!" ads. Whoever Spam-modded you broke one of the most serious rules we have, and if the admin team doesn't undo it and take it seriously...
I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...
(Score: 2) by janrinok on Sunday January 26 2020, @08:41AM (33 children)
For legal reasons we are responsible for what is published on the front page. What is said in the comments is free speech and is the responsibility of whoever makes the comment. We do not censor our community. Indeed, here you are in a journal where you can say exactly what you wish - and so can any other member of our community. The journals are where you can say all those things that we cannot - and will not - publish on the front page. EF does not express his views in the stories, but in the comments to those stories
We have to protect the site from those wishing to disrupt its operation. That includes blocking software attacks where possible, and stopping spam. Your post was captioned as "What about old dogs and new tricks?" in a story about how wild dogs appear to understand human gestures. So why would you think that a long political diatribe in support of any political party is relevant or appropriate to that story? To prevent you from doing the same in other discussions you have had your post tagged as spam which comes with some protective measures for the site. You are responsible for your comments.
Surely you have sufficient intelligence to understand that your action was inappropriate? Join as a member - you can stay anonymous with any nickname that you wish to use, and use a single-use email address to register - and you too can have your own journal where you can say exactly what you wish to say. That is not censorship - that is intentionally giving you a place to exercise your right to freedom of speech without any interference.
But don't expect this site to tolerate your interference in other stories. We do not support the Republicans or the Democrats, the alt-right, the communists, the ctrl-left or the antifa, those of any particular religion or none at all. Every member - including each member of staff - is free to have their own views and beliefs and to express them in the comments to relevant stories or in their journals. SN is completely neutral, but the stories on the front page are not the place for you to bandstand your own particular views.
The rules on IRC are exactly the same as for journals. SN is not responsible for any expression of views on IRC channels with the exception of those channels where we discuss the maintenance and security of this site.
(Score: 2) by Azuma Hazuki on Sunday January 26 2020, @12:45PM (32 children)
The constant protestations of neutrality are wearing rather thin especially here in this very journal, which as has been pointed out several times upthread, is deliberately and massively misleading. Free speech or not, this is skating right along "one rule for thee, another for me."
Do we need a social experiment here? Do we need to push just how far "free speech uber alles im das journallen" actually goes? What happens if someone posts a journal entry accusing someone else of, for example, being a child molester or serial rapist?
I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...
(Score: 2) by janrinok on Sunday January 26 2020, @02:15PM (11 children)
Then the person accused can sue the person making the accusation. Don't be an idiot. That would be covered perfectly by law as it stands.
(Score: 2) by Azuma Hazuki on Sunday January 26 2020, @11:05PM (10 children)
Okay, something more subtle than a blatant accusation of being a chomo, then. There are a lot of ways to smear someone that are perfectly legal, unprovable or unfalsifiable on the face of it, and produce plenty of angst and suspicion just for being said. At some point, you lot need to deal with that.
I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...
(Score: 2) by janrinok on Monday January 27 2020, @07:58AM (9 children)
So why should those posts be censored? You have just said that they are legal. Why should SN be held responsible for any wrongdoing if everything is perfectly legal? If there is an injustice then it will involve the legal processes in two countries. The country of the accuser, and the country of the accused. And there are existing legal means to seek redress to cover that eventuality that have nothing at all to do with SN.
If you mean child molester then please say so - chomo does not feature in any of my 3 English language dictionaries. Oh look here [yourdictionary.com] - it is 'prison slang' . Now that might be something that you are conversant with but it is not a common figure of speech for many of us. Must be great for you being so current with the criminal vernacular.
Very true - most people here seem to go for the ad hominem attack, especially when they are losing an argument, but perhaps that is just this site.
(Score: 2) by Azuma Hazuki on Monday January 27 2020, @02:19PM (8 children)
You do recall I spent the first 27 years of my life in New York City, no? And that I am, shall we say, not wealthy? So drop the class-trolling and quit being an arrogant prick. You would be better served by being as conversant as possible in as many forms of argot and cant as possible. That I know terms like "chomo" does not, for example, imply that I am criminal, an ex-prisoner, or unintelligent; it implies, taken together with the rest of my post history and its generally high-"class" speaking style, that I know a lot.
Besides which, you're trying (and failing) to evade what should be a very obvious point: absolute free speech cannot and does not exist. It is at least theoretically possible for someone here to say something that isn't forbidden by the forum rules but could do a lot of damage to it, while at the same time not being against any existing law. What do you do in that eventuality?
I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...
(Score: 3, Touché) by janrinok on Monday January 27 2020, @03:43PM (7 children)
I didn't say you were a criminal - and I thought no such thing. However, I did say that you were au fait with the criminal slang. I am not. So please use words that we will all understand. What I said was:
That does not imply that you were a criminal, nor does it suggest that you had spent time in a prison. But if you wish to communicate clearly you would do better to use a language that the person you are communicating with also understands.
Oh yes, I also said:
(Score: 2) by Azuma Hazuki on Tuesday January 28 2020, @02:59AM (6 children)
So now it's tone trolling instead? Lovely. Maybe choose your words with a bit more care if you don't want someone nitpicking on them?
I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...
(Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Tuesday January 28 2020, @03:52AM (4 children)
Stop posting entirely you mean? This is the Internet after all.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 2) by Azuma Hazuki on Tuesday January 28 2020, @04:23AM (3 children)
Unlike you, Jan is capable of posting things-what-aren't-complete-shite more than once every Great Cycle. He has a regrettable tendency toward false neutrality, hollow civility, and inaction in crisis situations, but at least he's got a working conscience.
I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...
(Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Tuesday January 28 2020, @04:30AM (2 children)
Oh come on... I nitpick you while you're telling jan to get used to nitpicking and you can't find the humor?
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday January 29 2020, @12:05AM (1 child)
Such humor falls flat when coming from a serial-troller doing his thing during a serious conversation.
(Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Wednesday January 29 2020, @04:20AM
Mostly when gifted to those with no sense of humor.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 2) by janrinok on Tuesday January 28 2020, @07:39AM
Oh, please stop reading things into what I write that are not there. Read the words - interpret the words - end. There is no 'tone' intended in what I write - I am writing English as we write it. If you are finding an American or New York meaning then that is not there when it is being written.
(Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Sunday January 26 2020, @11:44PM (19 children)
You already push how far free speech goes.
Nothing at all by us unless we get a US court order to remove it. Journals and comments are the responsibility of their posters. Then we decide whether to move the servers and incorporation to a foreign nation that doesn't give a shit or comply.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 2) by Azuma Hazuki on Sunday January 26 2020, @11:49PM (18 children)
Oh, *I* push how far free speech goes? Why, because I give fewer fucks than Deadpool barebacking a rabid honey badger midway through day 3 of a PCP-and-cocaine bender and you don't like it? Because I tell you to your face how and where and why you're more full of shit than a sewage treatment plant?
Don't tell me you're rethinking your most fundamental bedrock principles suddenly :) Remember, defending rights means even people you don't like have them, and no sneaky horseshit attempts to do an end-run around the spirit of the law by lawyer-fucking with the letter of it. Otherwise you'd be a lowdown dirty rotten hypocrite, and we couldn't have *that* now could we...?
I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...
(Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Monday January 27 2020, @12:13AM (17 children)
Not at all. I use you, EF, and ari as fascism canaries. If you're still around and posting whatever the hell you feel like, we can't be doing too bad on the defense of this particular liberty.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 2) by Azuma Hazuki on Monday January 27 2020, @01:11AM (16 children)
Eth does not belong in the same category as me, and Aristarchus only half does, as he tends to troll by default. Why is it a problem I post "whatever the hell [I] feel like" though? It tends to be insightful and germane, if incredibly profane and confrontational.
I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...
(Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Monday January 27 2020, @03:48AM (7 children)
You all annoy more than your fair share of folks, so you have to share seats in that category. Don't worry, I always bring coffee and snacks. Just don't take my favorite chair.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 2) by Azuma Hazuki on Monday January 27 2020, @02:25PM (6 children)
Oh boo fucking hoo. There's no comparison:
- Eth annoys people because he's a spamming, content-free shock jock who's been so constantly high on his own supply that he now believes what he writes. The signal to noise ratio is actually *lower* than static.
- Ari annoys people because, while largely correct, his default mode is trolling. I wish like hell he'd cut that out, because I've seen him when he's serious and there is some real intellectual firepower in there.
- And me? I "annoy" people (and you) because I give negative fucks and have no filter when it comes to pointing out where they are wrong, how they are wrong, why they are wrong, and how their own arguments fatally undercut themselves.
So yeah, I can see how you could greedily-reduce that to "y'all annoy people," but it's not even close to the same thing, especially not where Eth is concerned.
I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...
(Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Monday January 27 2020, @03:05PM (5 children)
It is effectively the same thing, however, if the "why" isn't relevant. Only the lack of anyone with the power to do so trying to shut you(plural) up concerns me.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 1, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Monday January 27 2020, @10:09PM (4 children)
This little thread is pure fucking gold.
So you WANT to be a fascist but you have committed yourself to the concept of free speech so you prevent yourself from going full bore.
YOU get to hurl insults and be a trolling asshole because "muh freedumbs" but you are just itching to take out your ideological opponents who say mean things to you.
I just love this blatant hypocrisy and you showing your true colors. What a mighty buffoon.
(Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Tuesday January 28 2020, @02:07AM (3 children)
I fully acknowledge that I'm a fallible human being and no matter how hard I try to be perfect, I'm going to fall short. You think you're not susceptible to such things?
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 2) by Azuma Hazuki on Tuesday January 28 2020, @03:06AM (2 children)
AC's got your number, you know (and so do I). You hold yourself to this standard *purely* for the internal virtue-signalling it allows. It's a kind of self-satisfied masochism, denial porn if you will. You think it gives you some kind of superiority that you can say "Oooooh, look at me, I've got admin rights on $FORUM and I *don't unilaterally ban people for what they say* because I'm *such* a good, patriotic American who loves the Constitution!"
I will reiterate that comment another AC made elsewhere, the one which got an actual real-life LOL from me: the only way you could be more full of shit is if you stuck your head up a constipated bull's ass and started chewing your way forward.
I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...
(Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Tuesday January 28 2020, @03:55AM (1 child)
I hold myself to the standards I hold myself to because that's what good people do. I understand you're not aware of this but if you look around for a bit I'm sure you'll find one you can ask to verify.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 2) by Azuma Hazuki on Tuesday January 28 2020, @04:22AM
Horseshit, it's all for personal satisfaction and nothing more. You really, truly think I and anyone else with three sparkin' neurons firing at once can't tell? That's insulting.
I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...
(Score: 2) by aristarchus on Monday January 27 2020, @07:59AM (7 children)
Hey, hey! Half? Trolling is the only educational technique that one can use on severe cases of Dunning-Kroeger, like the TMB (Eth, too far gone), so my use of it is purely therapeutic.
The Buzzard is coming around. I heard just the other day that he has pledged to donate half his yearly income to worthless bums like veterans of pointless wars! See? He is not a totally bad person, just mostly.
(Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Monday January 27 2020, @03:07PM (6 children)
I wouldn't donate half my income to anyone except my wife and I don't have one of those. Giving someone money without receiving any value in return is one of the worst things you can do to them.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 2) by aristarchus on Monday January 27 2020, @04:14PM (5 children)
Especially if it is in the form of medical care they require as a consequence of serving their country! Cut the VA budget now! Freeloading vets!
(Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Monday January 27 2020, @04:24PM (4 children)
That's not a gift, that's compensation for services rendered.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday January 27 2020, @10:13PM (3 children)
Ah, so only a military clerk is valued, any other clerk who wants universal healthcare is a freeloading bum.
You're truly too stupid to vote, just go fishing till you die and ignore all the inconvenient aspects of democracy.
(Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Tuesday January 28 2020, @02:08AM (2 children)
When that healthcare was part of what the military clerk was promised when he signed up? Absolutely. Your leech ass is demanding it without offering anything at all in return.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday January 28 2020, @03:02AM (1 child)
You really do have a mental condition don't you? Here, I'll hold your hand while we go to the doctor, no need to be afraid, they're just gonna sterilize you for the good of humanity. Oh, and lobotomize you for the good of Soylent News.
(Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Tuesday January 28 2020, @03:57AM
Couldn't dispute my argument, eh? I know it hurts to lose but dropping moronic insults in lieu of an argument just makes you look as stupid as you are.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 2) by janrinok on Sunday January 26 2020, @09:04AM (3 children)
I have stated publicly on this site that my own personal belief is that Trump is doing lasting damage to the worldview of the USA. He behaves like a spoiled child and expects everyone else in the world to respect him. Respect is earned - not demanded. However, I don't think that in 2016 there was any credible opposition to him either. Compared with the rest of the world you have 2 right-wing parties yet you cannot understand why you keep getting right-wing policies.
Nevertheless, the American people voted for him and it is their problem to sort out. We - the rest of the world - can just stand on the sidelines and look with amazement at how things are developing, and laugh at how the leader of the most powerful nation on earth behaves.
That is a judgement that you are free to make, but whatever happened to 'Innocent until proven Guilty'?. If SN were to support your viewpoint wouldn't we also be providing support for the Democratic Party view too? And I can remember Obama coming in for much criticism on this very same site before the last USA election. We do not support any particular political faction. But while the Republicans govern the USA a significant amount of reporting of the US government actions (ecology, finance, business, jobs, industry, technology etc) is going to involve those politicians. Those are the facts that we report where relevant to this site's interests. If the government changes then expect the reporting to change also.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday January 27 2020, @07:55AM (1 child)
Kinda FTFY, janny! Not like Boris is the epitome of statemanship! And what with the racist Brexit going down, and all the Pakis and Canuks have to move back home, well, not sure what is going on there in the United Kingdoms. Perhaps Ireland will finally be re-united, and Scotland and Wales, and Cornwall, and Sussex and, . . . well, you get my point.
(Score: 2) by janrinok on Monday January 27 2020, @10:31AM
With regard to the UK Pakistani population (see, you can be racist too using such terminology, can't you!?) the majority now are naturalised citizens or were born in the UK i.e. they are British. They do not have to leave the UK at all. New immigrants will have to provide evidence of the right to live in the UK or be of economic value to the UK.
Now the two articles that I have found regarding the Canadians are dated 2016 and both were speculation - there is nothing current to say that they have to leave the UK that I am aware of. Please feel free to provide other links that actually prove your claims if you wish, it is not something that I search for in my daily reading. Of course, many of them might want to leave and return home because their businesses or employment might not seem as attractive after Brexit - but that is far different from having to move.
The countries of birth and nationalities making up the top five remain the same as for 2018 [ons.gov.uk].
Notice that Pakistanis don't even figure in the top 5 by nationality.
London remains the region with the largest proportion of non-UK born (37%) and non-British (23%) population.
Good old Ari - determined to paint a distorted picture again.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday January 27 2020, @10:20PM
Being a strong conservative voice around here you should chime in more often. When a handful of rightwing nutjobs constantly spew their pro-trump defenses and excuses it creates a very divisive atmosphere.
Remember that quote about evil and good men doing nothing? Well do the minimum oh good man and put a less crazy data point in the conservative column. Right now TMB and Runaway are the majority voices for conservative view points and the most they do is say Trump sucks while defending him against all criticisms. I'll skip the accusations of abuses of power other than this small callout.