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Someone working for the US Space Force must be a Trekkie. Star Trek fans say a new logo is a direct ripoff of Star Trek's Starfleet Command logo.
President Donald Trump revealed the new logo for the Space Force on Friday via Twitter.
[...]As soon as it was posted, eagle-eyed Star Trek fans responded, pointing out the logo's similarities to the Starfleet Command logo. The arrow, the swirl around the arrow, the star background and text placement are almost identical.
Cultural references and inspirations are only allowed for the right people?
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You're a card which will have to be dealt with.
(Score: -1, Offtopic) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday January 26 2020, @01:59AM (10 children)
Old Man Picard has threesomes with his two live-in Romulan lovers while the dog watches. And he got Data's daughter killed again, which is unforgivable.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday January 26 2020, @02:12AM
I figured the guy was a reman, but I guess not.
And blowing up Mars with replicants shits all over the STO 'non-canon, but predating Picard' doesn't it?
(Score: 1, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday January 26 2020, @02:42AM (7 children)
*FacePalm*
It's an analogy for Trump and Brexit, [thedailybeast.com] it's supposed to be crap. Give the man some dignity FFS!
(Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday January 26 2020, @02:55AM (6 children)
The synth attack on Mars was 9/11 all over again. America has been fascist since 9/11; we don't need another poorly written reminder, and only a short-sighted idiot would cite Trump as the start of fascism.
(Score: 3, Informative) by RamiK on Sunday January 26 2020, @03:10AM (5 children)
More like:
Romulans were suffering from a natural disaster = Syrian drought
Federation failing to assist = NATO's US, EU and UK ignoring the problem
Mars stepping in = Turkey borders opening up the EU
Synths bombing the Romulan evacuation fleet on Mars = Syrian civil war escalating to attacks on Turkey
Romulan refugees scattered all over with two living and working in Picard's French vineyard since no one in authority is willing to help = Obvious enough...
compiling...
(Score: 3, Touché) by The Mighty Buzzard on Sunday January 26 2020, @03:07PM (4 children)
More like stop looking for exact real world matches and judge the ideal on its merits. More often than not analogies in fiction draw from several sources that have influenced the writer's thought process.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday January 26 2020, @08:26PM (1 child)
Like your fake news post that had you screeching like a dying parrot about the "Authoritarian Left!"
So let's see, your inspiration was: stupidity, lack of education, and lack of research. Oh, and a love of Trump's trolling methods where he lies and then lies some more.
Maybe you should stick to criticizing yourself, you'll probably have better luck.
(Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Sunday January 26 2020, @09:14PM
Maybe you should stop spouting things that have already been proven false.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 1) by Ethanol-fueled on Sunday January 26 2020, @08:30PM (1 child)
So does it suck or not? My money's on "Yes, it does suck." Even back in Nemesis Patrick Stewart constantly looked like he was drunk and slammed out, like a guy waking up from a 5-day bender.
I'm not surprised that there's yet another Trek show out, I am surprised that he is the center of it. I'm guessing the Jews gave it to him as a reward for publicly jumping on the anti-Trump bandwagon. I'm also guessing they're taking advantage of his senility, he really should appoint somebody with power of attorney and have that person make these decisions for him.
I'd rather we get a show about Jeri Ryan and Jennifer Lian -- We don't have to deal with any obnoxious politics coming from their mouths because they get their jobs from Jewish producers coming in their mouths.
(Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Sunday January 26 2020, @09:16PM
Nah, it's pretty damned good. Think the best work by Sir Pat in TNG and the movies, along with better special effects. So far the writing's damned good too but there's only one episode to judge by.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 2) by janrinok on Sunday January 26 2020, @09:15AM
(Score: 1) by anubi on Sunday January 26 2020, @02:01AM (2 children)
Despite the publicity, don't put it past some MPAA rep to sue.
It's been an observation of mine that those who have power need to demonstrate it, even if doing so is extremely harmful to the ones who vested that power to them.
"Prove all things; hold fast that which is good." [KJV: I Thessalonians 5:21]
(Score: 4, Interesting) by meustrus on Sunday January 26 2020, @03:39AM (1 child)
If you mean trademark, that's actually the law. Use it or lose it. Failure to sue could be construed as abdication of trademark rights.
If there isn't at least one reference or primary source, it's not +1 Informative. Maybe the underused +1 Interesting?
(Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Sunday January 26 2020, @03:09PM
Being as they modeled the Trek logo on a NASA logo to begin with, I don't see a suit happening.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday January 26 2020, @02:11AM (3 children)
It's not just for niggaz.
(Score: -1, Flamebait) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday January 26 2020, @02:15AM (2 children)
You liked it when the Space Shuttle was named Enterprise. Make up your mind, nigger.
(Score: 0, Flamebait) by Ethanol-fueled on Sunday January 26 2020, @02:40AM (1 child)
Well shit, before that shuttle we had a nuclear carrier and a carrier before even that named Enterprise. [wikipedia.org] Those niggers really need to make up their goddamn minds. Sheesh, people including niggers will find any reason to be pissed off about something nowadays.
(Score: 4, Informative) by The Mighty Buzzard on Sunday January 26 2020, @03:14PM
The name's a bit older than that [dodlive.mil] as far as US ships go. Interestingly, we have Benedict Arnold to thank for the first US version being named such.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 4, Insightful) by barbara hudson on Sunday January 26 2020, @02:15AM (20 children)
SoylentNews is social media. Says so right in the slogan. Soylentnews is people, not tech.
(Score: 2, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday January 26 2020, @02:39AM (12 children)
We have this for the same reason that we have the Marine Corps. By your reasoning, the Marine Corps is pointless as we could just have naval personnel do that. By having the Marine Corps have their own recruiting and their own leadership under the secretary of the Navy, it allows them to recruit specifically for what has become a largely unrelated service.
Same goes here, it allows them to recruit directly without people having to enlist into the airforce and hope they get on Space Command.
(Score: 4, Insightful) by barbara hudson on Sunday January 26 2020, @02:45AM (11 children)
SoylentNews is social media. Says so right in the slogan. Soylentnews is people, not tech.
(Score: 0, Touché) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday January 26 2020, @03:06AM (1 child)
The Space Force doesn't employ genuine female W.H.O.R.E.S.?
(Score: 2) by barbara hudson on Sunday January 26 2020, @05:54PM
SoylentNews is social media. Says so right in the slogan. Soylentnews is people, not tech.
(Score: 5, Funny) by deimtee on Sunday January 26 2020, @04:08AM
Need them or not, I'm pretty sure we've got them.
No problem is insoluble, but at Ksp = 2.943×10−25 Mercury Sulphide comes close.
(Score: 4, Insightful) by Runaway1956 on Sunday January 26 2020, @04:13AM
Bullshit. Space belongs to us. Robots are just fucking tools. Why conquer space, just to toss some tools around where we can't go? That attitude is a loser's attitude. Man can go there, man should go there, man will go there.
Abortion is the number one killed of children in the United States.
(Score: 2) by takyon on Sunday January 26 2020, @04:23AM (1 child)
Try doing some research before throwing around whatever sounds right.
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(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday January 26 2020, @08:28PM
Tell that to The Mighty Bullshitter, he seems to have a problem with that approach.
(Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Sunday January 26 2020, @03:15PM (4 children)
We already have plenty of space cadets, might as well make some of them official.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 2) by barbara hudson on Sunday January 26 2020, @05:11PM (3 children)
SoylentNews is social media. Says so right in the slogan. Soylentnews is people, not tech.
(Score: 3, Funny) by The Mighty Buzzard on Sunday January 26 2020, @06:05PM (2 children)
You mean I'd get stuck on a pristine planet that's never seen a single technological advancement like, say, a fishing hook? Oh please, Br'er Fox, don't throw me in the briar patch!
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday January 26 2020, @08:30PM (1 child)
Can't get you to another planet, but I will 100% fund the boat ride to drop you off on a deserted island. I'd consider it a public service.
(Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Sunday January 26 2020, @09:18PM
Nah. Not inviting enough unless it used to be a rum smuggler base and still has at least one ship worth of rum stashed.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 2) by dltaylor on Sunday January 26 2020, @03:15AM (2 children)
Their interceptors work.
Besides, when they really need in-space combatants, they'll have the Marines and SEALs.
(Score: 2) by coolgopher on Sunday January 26 2020, @07:20AM
Since they missed out, I guess the navy must've been asleep at the helm... again.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday January 26 2020, @03:51PM
Space Marines
(Score: 4, Insightful) by Runaway1956 on Sunday January 26 2020, @04:10AM
I've already touched on that. Navy. Bubbleheads go down into the ocean, and stay there for months at a time. Surface force sailors do much the same, minus the tightly closed living environment. Fucking flyboys? A 72 hour mission is a long mission for them. Navy is psychologically ready for those months-long missions in space.
Abortion is the number one killed of children in the United States.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday January 26 2020, @07:58AM
Oh my a Trump contrarian. How original! Yes he did this all for his own publicity. Rigghhht I mean do you even think about how stupid that concept is?
(Score: 4, Interesting) by EvilSS on Sunday January 26 2020, @06:25PM (1 child)
The military operates quite a few critical assets in space. GPS, weather, communications, mapping, and surveillance satellites just to name a few. To put it into perspective, the entire GPS system has a total of 40 military operators assigned to it right now. That less than some aircraft when you count up the crew and ground personnel. I know an senior NCO involved with this. There has been a lot of frustration over the years with USAF leadership in their community.
(Score: 2) by EvilSS on Sunday January 26 2020, @06:30PM
(Score: 4, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday January 26 2020, @02:17AM (12 children)
The new logo is derived from an old Air Force logo that was specific to space operations. Trek probably got theirs from there, or perhaps it was just the obvious choice.
(Score: 3, Informative) by hemocyanin on Sunday January 26 2020, @02:35AM (11 children)
I was curious: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air_Force_Space_Command [wikipedia.org]
Space command was created in 1982. It isn't clear from Wikipedia if the logo was in use since then, but the new one is clearly an extension of the Space Command logo: https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1220821545746141187 [twitter.com]
(Score: 2, Interesting) by Catalyst on Sunday January 26 2020, @03:20AM (10 children)
And the first time the Federation logo was seen was in DS9... I know, I was surprised too. So the Space Command logo was around before the Federation logo...
(Score: 5, Informative) by hemocyanin on Sunday January 26 2020, @07:09AM (9 children)
In order, based on the logos of DVD sets mainly:
TOS, 1966: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star_Trek:_The_Original_Series_(season_1) [wikipedia.org]
USAF Space Command, 1982: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air_Force_Space_Command [wikipedia.org]
TNG, 1987: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star_Trek:_The_Next_Generation_(season_1) [wikipedia.org]
DS9, 1993: https://www.zavvi.com/dvd/star-trek-deep-space-nine-complete-re-package/11027499.html [zavvi.com]
Voyager, 1995: https://www.thetrekcollective.com/2011/06/ds9-dvd-collection.html [thetrekcollective.com] (same as DS9)
Enterprise, 2001: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star_Trek:_Enterprise_(season_1) [wikipedia.org] (this logo bears no relationship to any others)
USSF, 2019: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Space_Force [wikipedia.org]
As I see it, the only real connection is with the triangular shaped object and the time to bitch was back in 1982. The triangular shaped object is more airplane like in the US military logo and more abstract in the ST logo. With respect to the ST version of this triangle, I think it looks more like a 50s inspired rocket with a bit of 60s LSD warping. The USAF version is very clean cut, and sort of Stealth like and it appears that the first Stealth Bomber flew in 1981, so that sort of makes sense. The USAF version also looks like a star with two points cut off, which makes sense in some ways but is sort of bad imagery -- like a plane with wings cut off.
The Star Trek logo clearly had its own evolution up to ST Enterprise --- did anyone ever watch that? I hated the couple episodes I saw --- where it completely departed from tradition. By the same token, the USAF has been using the logo with the triangular object in the center for almost 40 years and the USSF logo is a clear evolution of that decades old concept.
So as I said, the time for outrage over the triangular shape in the middle is over. As for the satellite swirl around the globe, it seems that did not appear on the ST logo until after the Space Command logo was old news. If the USAF wanted to bitch about that borrowing by ST, the time for that rage passed in the early 90s.
(Score: 2) by hemocyanin on Sunday January 26 2020, @07:13AM (4 children)
Darn it, forgot the link for the Stealth bomber: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lockheed_F-117_Nighthawk [wikipedia.org]
(Score: 2) by hemocyanin on Sunday January 26 2020, @07:14AM (3 children)
double dern it -- I guess it's not a bomber.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday January 26 2020, @03:56PM (2 children)
Were you looking for the Northrop Grumman B-2 Spirit [wikipedia.org]?
(Score: 2) by hemocyanin on Sunday January 26 2020, @05:35PM (1 child)
No, the Nighthawk which is described as "ground attack" airplane, but I'm not a military plane geek so I inaccurately called it a "bomber" -- that was the later B2 which flew in 1989 (according to Wikipedia) so it would not have been relevant to the Space Command Logo, at least presumably.
(Score: 1, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday January 26 2020, @09:21PM
Your military plane non-geek status did not cause an inaccuracy.
The F-117 Stealth Fighter was named/designated to deliberately cause confusion as to what it really was: a stealthy precision bomber that could slip in unnoticed, execute a precise bombing mission, and return to base, all while hopefully remaining untargetable.
Ground attack craft are a subset of bombers. They started as fighters mounting bombs/rockets, then dedicated dive bombers were developed, and so on.
So quit beating yourself up, technically you were correct in calling it a bomber, it is.
*sigh* Yet another of the multitude of evils done by marketing...
(Score: 3, Interesting) by EvilSS on Sunday January 26 2020, @06:04PM
Actually the flying delta dates back to WWII Army Air Corps and has been used on USAF emblems and insignias ever since. USAF doesn't usually allow real aircraft to be used on insignias so they use the delta. The comet swoop and constellations (take a close look, the two on the space force patch are a direct match) are from the original NASA logo. Both pre-date TOS. Also a certain Star Trek creator was a US Army Air Corp pilot in WWII and a NASA space flight fan...
(Score: 3, Interesting) by Reziac on Monday January 27 2020, @02:46AM (2 children)
Hated the first few I saw of Enterprise, but then stumbled onto some later ones and damn, this got good while I wasn't looking. So binged the whole thing (it's really all One Big Story) and while it's got plenty of weak and sloppy points, overall it's quite good, with some fine character arcs. And it holds up to rewatching. (Rather better than Lost In Trek, er, I mean Voyager, which I never really liked and only watched for lack of alternative entertainment.) Yeah, I suppose it busts canon here and there, but not to the point that I had no idea which universe I'd fell into, like some later incarnations we could bitch about.
And there is no Alkibiades to come back and save us from ourselves.
(Score: 1) by Catalyst on Monday January 27 2020, @08:55PM (1 child)
It started slow and ended too early, but was good overall.
(Score: 2) by Reziac on Monday January 27 2020, @09:52PM
Yep, pretty good way to describe it. Really needed one more season to finish out the story, rather than the rushed clip-show ending (which the producers later acknowledged was well-meant but a mistake). But overall? heck of a good story.
And there is no Alkibiades to come back and save us from ourselves.
(Score: 0, Flamebait) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday January 26 2020, @02:21AM (3 children)
Nobody even builds spacecraft that can reach the Moon anymore. Space Force is a fucking joke and all of Bezos, Musk, space butt buddies are charlatan scum.
(Score: 3, Touché) by coolgopher on Sunday January 26 2020, @07:27AM (2 children)
Not factually correct. Several nations have been lobbing things at the moon the last few years, and Musk can demonstrably get things all the way out past Mars' orbit.
Some links, feel free to find more/better:
https://www.thesun.co.uk/tech/10695825/dark-side-of-the-moon-photos/ [thesun.co.uk]
https://www.theguardian.com/science/2019/dec/03/indias-crashed-vikram-moon-lander-spotted-on-lunar-surface [theguardian.com]
https://www.wired.com/story/a-crashed-israeli-lunar-lander-spilled-tardigrades-on-the-moon/ [wired.com]
https://www.theverge.com/2018/2/6/16983744/spacex-tesla-falcon-heavy-roadster-orbit-asteroid-belt-elon-musk-mars [theverge.com]
(Score: 2) by Bot on Sunday January 26 2020, @06:32PM (1 child)
As of now, bots have more issues than meatbags.
You send bots where meatbags cannot go. High radiation, temperature, risk of blowing up places.
Else, a human is better reconfigurable.
So, it is difficult to explain how come humans could be repeatedly sent to the moon 50 years ago using less computing power than a pocketwatch of today and all people did later is sending RC stuff and even crashing stuff.
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(Score: 2) by coolgopher on Sunday January 26 2020, @11:07PM
I'd say we've gotten over reliant on our tools, and made ourselves dumber. What was done back then with pen and paper and a sharp brain is now delegated to cobbled together software with a limited interface*.
*) I have no actual knowledge of what software is used, but I'm all too familiar with the quality of software even in so called service critical segments. And don't get me started on science/academic software interfaces...
(Score: 2) by SomeGuy on Sunday January 26 2020, @02:27AM (2 children)
They should have ripped off the Union Aerospace Corporation logo instead. What could possibly go wrong?
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday January 26 2020, @04:34AM
I liked the old UAC logo best.
(Score: 2) by Reziac on Monday January 27 2020, @02:51AM
And there's only one latrine in all of U! E! T!
And there is no Alkibiades to come back and save us from ourselves.
(Score: 2) by Coward, Anonymous on Sunday January 26 2020, @04:17AM (6 children)
Can someone explain if the stars in the new logo [twitter.com] represent constellations, and which ones? They don't look so random.
(Score: 5, Interesting) by Arik on Sunday January 26 2020, @05:23AM (3 children)
The 10 stars to the left side look like they could be Ursa Major, Ursa Minor, and Polaris, only the last depicted with rays. The north polar constellation, with the northernmost star placed the furthest *down* rather than up.
If that's correct, then it seems logical that the right side might depict the south polar constellation, Crux. There are *two* stars here with rays, and if I flip it upside down and compare it with https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crux#/media/File:Crux_IAU.svg it looks like they might be Alpha and Gamma Crucis.
And that's roughly the sort of bombastic imagery we would expect - the northern and southern pole stars encompassing this idea of "global dominance." But why mark Gamma Crucis? I have no idea, and while there might be some meaning to it I wouldn't bet on it. Perhaps it was just artistic license. If I'm reading the constellations right here, there's clearly a lot of artistic license in the selection and placement of the stars - Ursa Major doesn't actually line up with Polaris in the way depcted for example.
And quite possibly I'm completely wrong, I mentioned being very very rusty at this right?
If laughter is the best medicine, who are the best doctors?
(Score: 3, Funny) by Coward, Anonymous on Sunday January 26 2020, @05:59AM
Thanks for the effort. It's further than I got. I wouldn't blame them if they don't want to mix politics and astrology.
(Score: 1, Funny) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday January 26 2020, @05:42PM
Sorry no, the stars came from here: https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Subaru_(azienda)#/media/File:Subaru_logo-1-.svg [wikipedia.org]
(Score: 2) by EvilSS on Sunday January 26 2020, @06:06PM
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday January 26 2020, @08:01AM
Well Could be anything but I actually thought the non-flared ones were asteroids not stars.
(Score: 2) by deimtee on Sunday January 26 2020, @10:07AM
The ones on the left look very much like the the Southern Cross and 'the pointers', although from my perspective in Oz it is upside down. Without actually checking I would guess that the other lot is the stars around the north celestial pole.
No problem is insoluble, but at Ksp = 2.943×10−25 Mercury Sulphide comes close.
(Score: 2, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday January 26 2020, @07:54AM
nasa logo (there is quote from designer).
(Score: 3, Insightful) by Reziac on Monday January 27 2020, @02:35AM
This old (first run) Star Trek fan thinks the logo is great. I *love* that obvious crossover between SF and reality.
Besides, Star Trek originally stole the logo from NASA, at least to the same degree as the Space Force stole it from Star Trek.
The dorks whining, "Mine! MINE!" will never get out of mom's basement, let alone go to the stars.
And there is no Alkibiades to come back and save us from ourselves.