The National Science Foundation is funding the “Truthy” database, intended to detect “false and misleading ideas,” "political smears," and other "social pollution” in online political activity. Researchers at Indiana University have received $919,917 (so far) for this project. The resulting open-source platform will be made publicly available, including via a web service open to the public for "monitoring trends, bursts, and suspicious memes.”
According to the grant, “This service could mitigate the diffusion of false and misleading ideas, detect hate speech and subversive propaganda, and assist in the preservation of open debate."
(Score: 2) by dyingtolive on Tuesday August 26 2014, @05:48PM
Huh. The two do have an almost suspicious amount of cross posted content. Also, does n1 post stories over there too? It almost seems like they're scraping SN's site.
Don't blame me, I voted for moose wang!
(Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday August 26 2014, @05:51PM
Pretty sure SN is being scraped since the parent comment was picked up: http://pipedot.org/comment/1409060340_a_701b4fd8_soylent_news_org [pipedot.org]
Weird URL at that.
(Score: 3, Funny) by RaffArundel on Tuesday August 26 2014, @06:12PM
Just noticed my comments on sparticles appears over there - worse, it is nonsensical since the post I was replying to had the comment mangled. If you are going to pull the posts in, at least let me know and don't screw it up!
(Score: 2) by mrider on Wednesday August 27 2014, @03:09AM
Yeah, well apparently I screwed up moderation on that site as well! Jeez, can't a fella catch a break (LOL). Nail Polish story [pipedot.org] (search for "mrider").
Doctor: "Do you hear voices?"
Me: "Only when my bluetooth is charged."
(Score: 5, Informative) by n1 on Tuesday August 26 2014, @06:22PM
I do not post stories on pipedot. We (SN staff) have been unaware they're scraping content (stories and comments) from this site.
Pipedot now appears to essentially mirror SoylentNews for the most part. This was not something agreed by anyone on the staff of SN that i'm aware, and there is no official opinion on it. There's attribution on the stories and content but perhaps not quite enough.
The arrangement is not reciprocal at this time.
(Score: 2) by tibman on Tuesday August 26 2014, @06:46PM
Still OT. What do you think about it?
SN won't survive on lurkers alone. Write comments.
(Score: 3, Interesting) by n1 on Tuesday August 26 2014, @08:55PM
I can't say i'm very impressed. I do not feel it's appropriate without proper attribution and linking, it's also putting an unnecessary load on the SoylentNews servers.
I was under the impression the pipedot founder bryan(?) and NCommander had communicated amicably on a number of issues, so this situation comes as a surprise.
(Score: 3, Informative) by lhsi on Tuesday August 26 2014, @09:17PM
A little while ago, a few weeks maybe, Bryan said he would stop adding stories and focus on coding. Ncommander offered to have the SN feed show up on pipedot, but nothing happened for a while.
(Score: 3, Informative) by bryan on Wednesday August 27 2014, @08:06AM
When NCommander graciously offered to have the SN feed show up on Pipedot, I wrote a simple script to do exactly that (within a day or two). However, the main editor at Pipedot, zafiro17 [pipedot.org] (also a large contributer on Usenet's comp.misc), wanted to try his hand at something more unique [pipedot.org] - and so I agreed to keep the feed off for a few weeks. Unfortunately, he is now in the midst of an unrelated database project that is taking up more of his time and so he asked me to finally turn the feed on.
No animosity exists between the two sites. We are working towards the same goal. Ever since the July 4th incorporation as a public benefit corporation, the policy of Pipedot is to direct all users to SoylentNews for daily news and discussion.
The Pipecode project at Pipedot is working on making a better slash-like platform where users are in control and technical measures are implemented so that mistakes like the "beta" redesign debacle cannot happen in the future.
(Score: 3, Interesting) by lhsi on Tuesday August 26 2014, @09:28PM
Found a link where something related is mentioned: https://pipedot.org/comment/1404886957_ncommander_pipedot_org [pipedot.org]
I didn't see an anouncement on pipedot after I noticed it earlier, but hadn't checked the site in a couple of days.
(Score: 3, Interesting) by Random2 on Tuesday August 26 2014, @10:14PM
Reposting for the sake of visiblilty:
Moreover, I can see how what NCommander? posted as being interpreted to mean "All of the content on our site can be freely posted on your site after we have reached a licensing agreement"; although I believe what he meant was "Once we have started our independent journalism, you may repost those articles (without comments) freely".
If only I registered 3 users earlier....
(Score: 2) by lhsi on Wednesday August 27 2014, @07:47AM
Pipedot about page has been updated to mention it: https://pipedot.org/about [pipedot.org]
(Score: 4, Funny) by cafebabe on Tuesday August 26 2014, @07:51PM
I submitted the following via https://pipedot.org/submit [pipedot.org] and I regard public availability via https://pipedot.org/pipe/1409082490_a_34feb656_pipedot_org [pipedot.org] as acknowledgement of receipt:-
Title: Pipedot Caught Plagiarizing Copyrighted Content
As noted on https://soylentnews.org/comments.pl?sid=3587&cid=85807 [soylentnews.org] and https://pipedot.org/story/2014-08-26/database-to-track-suspicious-memes-on-twitter [pipedot.org] and in particular, https://pipedot.org/comment/1409062920_n1_soylent_news_org [pipedot.org] , the majority of content being posted on pipedot.org is taken without permission from soylentnews.org
Given that the copyright of comments on soylentnews.org is not transferred from the people that posted them, this ongoing action constitutes wilful, mass copyright infringement.
You are hereby given notice on behalf of John Doe and Jane Doe * 4,000 under the US Digital Millennium Copyright Act 1998, as amended, Section 512(c)(3)(A) that:-
(i) The required digital signature is given as "5bdb763c2789167181a7376c29c06de3".
(ii) The work infringed is a subset of all comments posted on soylentnews.org.
(iii) The work infringed is a subset of all comments prefixed with "2Q" or suffixed with "@soylent-news.org".
(iv) The complaining parties may be contacted via https://soylentnews.org/comments.pl?sid=3587&cid=85807 [soylentnews.org]
(v) After reading https://soylentnews.org/comments.pl?sid=3587&cid=85821 [soylentnews.org] it the good faith belief of one Doe that publication is not authorized.
(vi) One Doe states that this notification is accurate, and under penalty of perjury, that the complaining party is authorized to act on behalf of one Doe's exclusive right that is allegedly infringed.
It is also noted that soylent-news.org is not affiliated in any form with soylentnews.org but is registered to the same postal address as pipedot.org
(Score: 2, Insightful) by engblom on Wednesday August 27 2014, @05:35AM
So typically American to act like this, sadly. Grow up! Why legal action instead of discussing the problem with the other?
I see it as a bad behavior to copy the other site without a discussion before doing it. However, the best for both sites would be if they shared content and this is something I think both should strive to achieve.
If this would be two-way both sites would benefit as both sites would get more comments and stories. This would also force both sites to keep a nice UI. As soon as one site would get a more annoying UI they would risk having no users.
So my message to both is to discuss and grow up!
(Score: 1) by khedoros on Wednesday August 27 2014, @10:10PM
- If I comment on Soylentnews and someone replies on Pipedot, I'm not informed, and no discussion or dialog is created. I can't respond to something I can't hear.
- Read the Pipedot About page. They're marketing themselves kind of like a Usenet client (a viewer of an underlying infrastructure). That would be a great justification for the site's behavior, if it were true.
- Bad behavior sometimes needs spanked, not to destroy the actor, but to get them to behave better.
Reworking a Slashdot-like engine is a good idea, and long overdue. It's admirable to modernize a tool that we use, and to provide another frontend interface to information. We should encourage that, because it's useful. But if I come to your website, copy the content verbatim, using your bandwidth and processing resources for my own goals, and without telling you, that's not acting in the public interest or in the interest of spreading information. That's pure self-interest. If Pipedot's staff wanted to promote freedom of information or multiple interfaces to a story database, then they should've contacted SoylentNews and set up a cross-site API for information transfer. That would be in the benefit of the community and freedom of information.
(Score: 2) by present_arms on Wednesday August 27 2014, @03:21PM
That's brilliant lol
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(Score: 4, Funny) by nitehawk214 on Tuesday August 26 2014, @08:35PM
Somewhat amusing is the fact that they stole this article [pipedot.org] too.
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