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posted by n1 on Tuesday August 26 2014, @04:48PM   Printer-friendly
from the most-of-twitter-to-be-flagged dept.

The National Science Foundation is funding the “Truthy” database, intended to detect “false and misleading ideas,” "political smears," and other "social pollution” in online political activity. Researchers at Indiana University have received $919,917 (so far) for this project. The resulting open-source platform will be made publicly available, including via a web service open to the public for "monitoring trends, bursts, and suspicious memes.”

According to the grant, “This service could mitigate the diffusion of false and misleading ideas, detect hate speech and subversive propaganda, and assist in the preservation of open debate."

 
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  • (Score: 5, Informative) by n1 on Tuesday August 26 2014, @06:22PM

    by n1 (993) on Tuesday August 26 2014, @06:22PM (#85821) Journal

    I do not post stories on pipedot. We (SN staff) have been unaware they're scraping content (stories and comments) from this site.

    Pipedot now appears to essentially mirror SoylentNews for the most part. This was not something agreed by anyone on the staff of SN that i'm aware, and there is no official opinion on it. There's attribution on the stories and content but perhaps not quite enough.

    The arrangement is not reciprocal at this time.

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  • (Score: 2) by tibman on Tuesday August 26 2014, @06:46PM

    by tibman (134) Subscriber Badge on Tuesday August 26 2014, @06:46PM (#85829)

    Still OT. What do you think about it?

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    • (Score: 3, Interesting) by n1 on Tuesday August 26 2014, @08:55PM

      by n1 (993) on Tuesday August 26 2014, @08:55PM (#85908) Journal

      I can't say i'm very impressed. I do not feel it's appropriate without proper attribution and linking, it's also putting an unnecessary load on the SoylentNews servers.

      I was under the impression the pipedot founder bryan(?) and NCommander had communicated amicably on a number of issues, so this situation comes as a surprise.

      • (Score: 3, Informative) by lhsi on Tuesday August 26 2014, @09:17PM

        by lhsi (711) on Tuesday August 26 2014, @09:17PM (#85920) Journal

        A little while ago, a few weeks maybe, Bryan said he would stop adding stories and focus on coding. Ncommander offered to have the SN feed show up on pipedot, but nothing happened for a while.

        • (Score: 3, Informative) by bryan on Wednesday August 27 2014, @08:06AM

          by bryan (29) <bryan@pipedot.org> on Wednesday August 27 2014, @08:06AM (#86124) Homepage Journal

          When NCommander graciously offered to have the SN feed show up on Pipedot, I wrote a simple script to do exactly that (within a day or two). However, the main editor at Pipedot, zafiro17 [pipedot.org] (also a large contributer on Usenet's comp.misc), wanted to try his hand at something more unique [pipedot.org] - and so I agreed to keep the feed off for a few weeks. Unfortunately, he is now in the midst of an unrelated database project that is taking up more of his time and so he asked me to finally turn the feed on.

          No animosity exists between the two sites. We are working towards the same goal. Ever since the July 4th incorporation as a public benefit corporation, the policy of Pipedot is to direct all users to SoylentNews for daily news and discussion.

          The Pipecode project at Pipedot is working on making a better slash-like platform where users are in control and technical measures are implemented so that mistakes like the "beta" redesign debacle cannot happen in the future.

      • (Score: 3, Interesting) by lhsi on Tuesday August 26 2014, @09:28PM

        by lhsi (711) on Tuesday August 26 2014, @09:28PM (#85925) Journal

        Found a link where something related is mentioned: https://pipedot.org/comment/1404886957_ncommander_pipedot_org [pipedot.org]

        I didn't see an anouncement on pipedot after I noticed it earlier, but hadn't checked the site in a couple of days.

      • (Score: 3, Interesting) by Random2 on Tuesday August 26 2014, @10:14PM

        by Random2 (669) on Tuesday August 26 2014, @10:14PM (#85943)

        Reposting for the sake of visiblilty:

        Before we jump too far down the fire and pitchforks route, we should determine if this comment is factual and still valid:

        https://pipedot.org/comment/1404886957_ncommander_pipedot_org [pipedot.org] [pipedot.org]

        Specifically the part:

        I don't think the staff (or I) would have any issue if you spooled in our articles directly (obviously, we have to get a license on new content hammered out before you could do that, but that's on our TODO

        If they have worked out some sort of licensing then they may be in the clear, but if not this could be a bit awkward. Remember that Soylent is also a news aggregation at present, and taking articles from other news sites (sometimes verbatim) is a thing that has been done here. That said, I personally consider also grabbing the comments fairly questionable, as aggretators distinguish themselves on content and community, the comments on these articles being the 'community' aspect of Soylent.

        Moreover, I can see how what NCommander? posted as being interpreted to mean "All of the content on our site can be freely posted on your site after we have reached a licensing agreement"; although I believe what he meant was "Once we have started our independent journalism, you may repost those articles (without comments) freely".

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      • (Score: 2) by lhsi on Wednesday August 27 2014, @07:47AM

        by lhsi (711) on Wednesday August 27 2014, @07:47AM (#86119) Journal

        Pipedot about page has been updated to mention it: https://pipedot.org/about [pipedot.org]

        About the Pipedot - SoylentNews Gateway

        Stories and comments posted on SoylentNews are mirrored by the Pipedot - SoylentNews gateway. Please do not take this to mean that we are "stealing" content or trying to redirect other's efforts to our own site. It's just a mirror and you still "own" your own comments just as much as you do with the copies indexed by Google, Coral Cache, or the Wayback Machine.

        Stories and comments are owned by their original poster!

  • (Score: 4, Funny) by cafebabe on Tuesday August 26 2014, @07:51PM

    by cafebabe (894) on Tuesday August 26 2014, @07:51PM (#85857) Journal

    I submitted the following via https://pipedot.org/submit [pipedot.org] and I regard public availability via https://pipedot.org/pipe/1409082490_a_34feb656_pipedot_org [pipedot.org] as acknowledgement of receipt:-

    Title: Pipedot Caught Plagiarizing Copyrighted Content
    Topic: Legal

    As noted on https://soylentnews.org/comments.pl?sid=3587&cid=85807 [soylentnews.org] and https://pipedot.org/story/2014-08-26/database-to-track-suspicious-memes-on-twitter [pipedot.org] and in particular, https://pipedot.org/comment/1409062920_n1_soylent_news_org [pipedot.org] , the majority of content being posted on pipedot.org is taken without permission from soylentnews.org

    Given that the copyright of comments on soylentnews.org is not transferred from the people that posted them, this ongoing action constitutes wilful, mass copyright infringement.

    You are hereby given notice on behalf of John Doe and Jane Doe * 4,000 under the US Digital Millennium Copyright Act 1998, as amended, Section 512(c)(3)(A) that:-

    (i) The required digital signature is given as "5bdb763c2789167181a7376c29c06de3".

    (ii) The work infringed is a subset of all comments posted on soylentnews.org.

    (iii) The work infringed is a subset of all comments prefixed with "2Q" or suffixed with "@soylent-news.org".

    (iv) The complaining parties may be contacted via https://soylentnews.org/comments.pl?sid=3587&cid=85807 [soylentnews.org]

    (v) After reading https://soylentnews.org/comments.pl?sid=3587&cid=85821 [soylentnews.org] it the good faith belief of one Doe that publication is not authorized.

    (vi) One Doe states that this notification is accurate, and under penalty of perjury, that the complaining party is authorized to act on behalf of one Doe's exclusive right that is allegedly infringed.

    It is also noted that soylent-news.org is not affiliated in any form with soylentnews.org but is registered to the same postal address as pipedot.org

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    • (Score: 2, Insightful) by engblom on Wednesday August 27 2014, @05:35AM

      by engblom (556) on Wednesday August 27 2014, @05:35AM (#86091)

      So typically American to act like this, sadly. Grow up! Why legal action instead of discussing the problem with the other?

      I see it as a bad behavior to copy the other site without a discussion before doing it. However, the best for both sites would be if they shared content and this is something I think both should strive to achieve.

      If this would be two-way both sites would benefit as both sites would get more comments and stories. This would also force both sites to keep a nice UI. As soon as one site would get a more annoying UI they would risk having no users.

      So my message to both is to discuss and grow up!

      • (Score: 1) by khedoros on Wednesday August 27 2014, @10:10PM

        by khedoros (2921) on Wednesday August 27 2014, @10:10PM (#86479)
        Pipedot's use of the content on their site doesn't provide a benefit to the community, as currently implemented.

        - If I comment on Soylentnews and someone replies on Pipedot, I'm not informed, and no discussion or dialog is created. I can't respond to something I can't hear.

        - Read the Pipedot About page. They're marketing themselves kind of like a Usenet client (a viewer of an underlying infrastructure). That would be a great justification for the site's behavior, if it were true.

        - Bad behavior sometimes needs spanked, not to destroy the actor, but to get them to behave better.

        Reworking a Slashdot-like engine is a good idea, and long overdue. It's admirable to modernize a tool that we use, and to provide another frontend interface to information. We should encourage that, because it's useful. But if I come to your website, copy the content verbatim, using your bandwidth and processing resources for my own goals, and without telling you, that's not acting in the public interest or in the interest of spreading information. That's pure self-interest. If Pipedot's staff wanted to promote freedom of information or multiple interfaces to a story database, then they should've contacted SoylentNews and set up a cross-site API for information transfer. That would be in the benefit of the community and freedom of information.
    • (Score: 2) by present_arms on Wednesday August 27 2014, @03:21PM

      by present_arms (4392) on Wednesday August 27 2014, @03:21PM (#86283) Homepage Journal

      That's brilliant lol

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    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday October 04 2014, @01:59AM

      by Anonymous Coward on Saturday October 04 2014, @01:59AM (#101597)

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  • (Score: 4, Funny) by nitehawk214 on Tuesday August 26 2014, @08:35PM

    by nitehawk214 (1304) on Tuesday August 26 2014, @08:35PM (#85890)

    Somewhat amusing is the fact that they stole this article [pipedot.org] too.

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